Dynamic vs. Static IP?

My exchange goes live in two weeks - Woo!
I've just preordered Home ADSL 1Mb from PlusNet - Yey!
I'm going to order a Netgear DG834 Modem/Firewall/Router - Hoopla!

One question that still vexes me is whether to keep the default dynamic IP
address or to enable the Static IP support (at no extra charge)?

I have heard that static IPs can be a disadvantage if you suffer from DOS
attacks or hackers in general - how common is this problem for simple home
users? How good would the above firewall/router be at keeping these out?

For the time being I won't be running any servers which would require a static
IP (ie. SMTP, FTP or HTTP), the only other advantage of a static IP I can
think of was on dialup in the old-days in order to be able to resume downloads
etc, but that's no longer a problem for ADSL, right?

Can anyone offer a clear summary of pros and cons for static vs dynamic IPs
(as there's probably a number of issues I've missed) thanks,

PSB

PS - FWIW - I've just done an evaluation of all the top ADSL ISPs. As at
January 2004, out of the top ten ISPs on ISPReview, PlusNET comes out top for
both 512Kb and 1Mb connections (based on Monthly Fee for a reliable and fast
connection with good support, but ignoring any email or webspace extras).

In article <bue3cj$efg$(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed)
says...
> My exchange goes live in two weeks - Woo!
> I've just preordered Home ADSL 1Mb from PlusNet - Yey!
> I'm going to order a Netgear DG834 Modem/Firewall/Router - Hoopla!
>
> One question that still vexes me is whether to keep the default dynamic IP
> address or to enable the Static IP support (at no extra charge)?
>

AFAIK, the default setup for Plusnet is to have a static IP, but you can
have a dynamic one if you ask.

I certainly didn't ask, and I got a static one, which I'm happy about,
because I run some servers.

> I have heard that static IPs can be a disadvantage if you suffer from DOS
> attacks or hackers in general - how common is this problem for simple home
> users? How good would the above firewall/router be at keeping these out?

I've got a Speedtouch 510V4, and apparently, it's got protection against DOS
(not saying all) attacks, because of its hardware firewall.

> For the time being I won't be running any servers which would require a static
> IP (ie. SMTP, FTP or HTTP), the only other advantage of a static IP I can
> think of was on dialup in the old-days in order to be able to resume downloads
> etc, but that's no longer a problem for ADSL, right?
>

It could be.

Even if you had dynamic IP, I'd hope the IP would only change when you
turned your router off, so for the most part, it's not a problem

> Can anyone offer a clear summary of pros and cons for static vs dynamic IPs
> (as there's probably a number of issues I've missed) thanks,

IIRC, there was a discussion about this on this group a little while ago.
Try doing an advanced google groups search for static dynamic IP on group
uk.telecom.broadband.

>
> PS - FWIW - I've just done an evaluation of all the top ADSL ISPs. As at
> January 2004, out of the top ten ISPs on ISPReview, PlusNET comes out top for
> both 512Kb and 1Mb connections (based on Monthly Fee for a reliable and fast
> connection with good support, but ignoring any email or webspace extras).

I have email and WWW hosted by someone else, so this was irrelevant for me,
as was the fact their news servers are a bit flaky for binary groups, which
again, isn't a problem to me.

Been very happy with the service so far though.

<shameless begging>

Do you have a referrer? If you don't, how's about giving Plusnet my username
- lethe, and I'll get 50p/month off my line rental?

Hey! If you don't ask, you don't get :-)

</shameless begging>

Pete.

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"Pete Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> <shameless begging>
>
> Do you have a referrer? If you don't, how's about giving Plusnet my username
> - lethe, and I'll get 50p/month off my line rental?
>
> Hey! If you don't ask, you don't get :-)
>
> </shameless begging>

Thanks Pete, I signed up yesterday without using a referer. Had a look but I
couldn't see how to specify a referer post-signup. if you can find a way to do
it then I'll gladly use your username.

In article <bue3cj$efg$(E-Mail Removed)>, PsychicStickleBrick
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>My exchange goes live in two weeks - Woo!
>I've just preordered Home ADSL 1Mb from PlusNet - Yey!
>I'm going to order a Netgear DG834 Modem/Firewall/Router - Hoopla!
>
>One question that still vexes me is whether to keep the default dynamic IP
>address or to enable the Static IP support (at no extra charge)?
>
>I have heard that static IPs can be a disadvantage if you suffer from DOS
>attacks or hackers in general - how common is this problem for simple home
>users? How good would the above firewall/router be at keeping these out?
>
>For the time being I won't be running any servers which would require a static
>IP (ie. SMTP, FTP or HTTP), the only other advantage of a static IP I can
>think of was on dialup in the old-days in order to be able to resume downloads
>etc, but that's no longer a problem for ADSL, right?
>
>Can anyone offer a clear summary of pros and cons for static vs dynamic IPs
>(as there's probably a number of issues I've missed) thanks,
>
>PSB
>

>PS - FWIW - I've just done an evaluation of all the top ADSL ISPs. As at
>January 2004, out of the top ten ISPs on ISPReview, PlusNET comes out top for
>both 512Kb and 1Mb connections (based on Monthly Fee for a reliable and fast
>connection with good support, but ignoring any email or webspace extras).
>
>

One point to remember, static IPs will help to ensure your mail gets
through the various spam filters used by your recipient's ISPs.
Primarily, because they know that if they get ANY spam complaint (valid
or not) they can trace the originator much more easily.
Certainly if you are going to run a mail smtp server (for directly
sending mail), then a large number of your recipient ISPS will
automatically trash it if you use a dynamic IP for this purpose.
Another "advantage" of a static IP is that you "should" only get
blacklisted if you do spam (or someone clones your IP)... unlike the use
of dynamic IPs when your account can get blacklisted and blocked simply
because someone else on your ISP has been and so the whole block
allocated to that ISP is blacklisted.. no fault of your own.

Yes, this does happen.... one of my accounts with Tesco.net was blocked
by certain ISps because someone else using Tesco net had been spamming
and my dynamic IP fell into the same group

Also Some software will only run with a static IP

Wally Hayward
Free download. Block SPAM Now! http://BlockSpamNow.com/r/5712

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<snip>

> One point to remember, static IPs will help to ensure your mail gets
> through the various spam filters used by your recipient's ISPs.
> Primarily, because they know that if they get ANY spam complaint (valid
> or not) they can trace the originator much more easily.
> Certainly if you are going to run a mail smtp server (for directly
> sending mail), then a large number of your recipient ISPS will
> automatically trash it if you use a dynamic IP for this purpose.

<snip>

It is also worth bearing in mind that not all ISPs have clearly defined
static IP pools, so they will all be classed as part of that ISPs
dynamic pool as far as the various blackhole services are concerned.

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In article <bue9l6$102$(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed)
says...
>
> "Pete Smith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> > <shameless begging>
> >
> > Do you have a referrer? If you don't, how's about giving Plusnet my username
> > - lethe, and I'll get 50p/month off my line rental?
> >
> > Hey! If you don't ask, you don't get :-)
> >
> > </shameless begging>
>
> Thanks Pete, I signed up yesterday without using a referer. Had a look but I
> couldn't see how to specify a referer post-signup. if you can find a way to do
> it then I'll gladly use your username.

Wooo!

It's easy, just raise a ticket with Plusnet support

https://portal.plus.net/my.html?action=tickets

(They say they don't do it retrospectively, but a friend referred me, and
didn't tell me his username, so they did it later, and PlusNet were OK about
it)

Just tell them that I referred you, but you didn't have my username. They'll
then probably tell you to tell me to raise a ticket with them, with your new
username, just to verify it.

OTOH, the PlusNET support team read this n.g., so I'm probably going
straight to Hell now ;-)

Pete.

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In article <bue3cj$efg$(E-Mail Removed)>, PsychicStickleBrick
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>PS - FWIW - I've just done an evaluation of all the top ADSL ISPs. As at
>January 2004, out of the top ten ISPs on ISPReview, PlusNET comes out top for
>both 512Kb and 1Mb connections (based on Monthly Fee for a reliable and fast
>connection with good support, but ignoring any email or webspace extras).
>
I too have done an evaluation, and found that PlusNet was one of the few
ISPs that combine unlimited e-mail addresses, dial-up backup and local-
rate support calls.
--
Tom

In article <yhXRcVARnrCAFw+(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed) (Walter
Hayward) wrote:

>
> One point to remember, static IPs will help to ensure your mail gets
> through the various spam filters used by your recipient's ISPs.
> Primarily, because they know that if they get ANY spam complaint (valid
> or not) they can trace the originator much more easily.
> Certainly if you are going to run a mail smtp server (for directly
> sending mail), then a large number of your recipient ISPS will
> automatically trash it if you use a dynamic IP for this purpose.

AOL is the only one that I know ?

> Another "advantage" of a static IP is that you "should" only get
> blacklisted if you do spam (or someone clones your IP)... unlike the use
> of dynamic IPs when your account can get blacklisted and blocked simply
> because someone else on your ISP has been and so the whole block
> allocated to that ISP is blacklisted.. no fault of your own.
>
> Yes, this does happen.... one of my accounts with Tesco.net was blocked
> by certain ISps because someone else using Tesco net had been spamming
> and my dynamic IP fell into the same group
>
> Also Some software will only run with a static IP

For example ? That's what DynDNS and no-ip etc are for.
- Steve

> AFAIK, the default setup for Plusnet is to have a static IP, but you
> can have a dynamic one if you ask.

I'm with plusNet and you can't have a dynamic IP with ADSL. I requested it
and they said it is something that they may offer in the future. If you need
to change your IP, they will, but only if you have a good reason (i.e.
getting yourself banned from something is usually not a good reason).

HTH
--
Nathan