DUMB QUESTION SPECIFIC TO NTL

Oh Joys - I have to set up a router for a mate on broadband. No major
worries methinks. He then informs me "It's NTL broadband". Yikes.......(he's
currently using a USB modem)

Here comes the stupid question - I take it the spec is pretty much the same
as BT's (???), Still needs filters (???) operates in a simular fashion.

Anything I need to be aware of before I agree to take this on? (The
attractivness of Winproxy is growing)

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 22:39:34 +0100 and in article <jrYTa.49780
$(E-Mail Removed)>, Ivor Brokewind said...
> Oh Joys - I have to set up a router for a mate on broadband. No major
> worries methinks. He then informs me "It's NTL broadband". Yikes.......(he's
> currently using a USB modem)

NTL broadband is a piece of pie to network up. Buy a router, plug in
the RJ45 cable from the Ethernet Out socket on the Cable modem > Router.
Then share the connection to other PCs using NAT.

> Here comes the stupid question - I take it the spec is pretty much the same
> as BT's (???),

In what respect?

> Still needs filters (???) operates in a simular fashion.

In this respect, no. Completely different. NTL pipes CATV cable
directly to your Cable Modem, it doesn't work over an existing NTL phone
line. I don't see why this is remotely relevant to sharing the NTL
connection though..?

> Anything I need to be aware of before I agree to take this on? (The
> attractivness of Winproxy is growing)

Winproxy? What on earth has that got to do with a router ffs?

--
CB

> Oh Joys - I have to set up a router for a mate on broadband. No major
> worries methinks. He then informs me "It's NTL broadband". Yikes.......(he's
> currently using a USB modem)

I think some of blueyonders` cable modems have both USB and ethernet
outputs - you could always ask him for more info

"Ivor Brokewind" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:jrYTa.49780$(E-Mail Removed):

> Oh Joys - I have to set up a router for a mate on broadband. No
> major worries methinks. He then informs me "It's NTL broadband".
> Yikes.......(he's currently using a USB modem)
>
> Here comes the stupid question - I take it the spec is pretty
> much the same as BT's (???), Still needs filters (???) operates
> in a simular fashion.
>
> Anything I need to be aware of before I agree to take this on?
> (The attractivness of Winproxy is growing)
>
>

Try here:
http://www.networklab.co.uk/cmodem/linksys.html

This covers one specific router, but the principles are the same
for most makes. Try a spot of RTFM before you start.

--
BRG
===
http://www.brgservices.co.uk/

In article <jrYTa.49780$(E-Mail Removed)>, Ivor Brokewind wrote:
> Oh Joys - I have to set up a router for a mate on broadband. No major
> worries methinks. He then informs me "It's NTL broadband". Yikes.......(he's
> currently using a USB modem)
>
> Here comes the stupid question - I take it the spec is pretty much the same
> as BT's (???), Still needs filters (???) operates in a simular fashion.

Your question was dumber than you thought <g>. The modem is connected like a
TV set-top box to the coax, not the copper pair in the figure-8 NTL cable. If
his NTL modem is like mine it has both USB and ethernet connections (you can't
use both).

> Anything I need to be aware of before I agree to take this on? (The
> attractivness of Winproxy is growing)

If you get a decent router (I use a Belkin 4-port cable/DSL router) the
instructions should be a piece of cake.
Stage 1 - get one PC working OK using the ethernet connection on the modem.
Stage 2 - insert the router and follow the instructions for MAC address
cloning.
Stage 3 - plug in the second PC.

I found the instructions with my router were very straightforward. You *must*
connect and power-up things in the order specified.

--

Jock Mackirdy
Bedford

"Ivor Brokewind" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:jrYTa.49780$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Oh Joys - I have to set up a router for a mate on broadband. No major
> worries methinks. He then informs me "It's NTL broadband".
Yikes.......(he's
> currently using a USB modem)
>
> Here comes the stupid question - I take it the spec is pretty much the
same
> as BT's (???), Still needs filters (???) operates in a simular fashion.
>
> Anything I need to be aware of before I agree to take this on? (The
> attractivness of Winproxy is growing)

Your mate will either have a stand alone Cable Modem or alternatively a
Cable modem that resides within his Cable TV set top box. Either way you can
connect to these via either USB or Ethernet. If you are using Ethernet into
a router then you may or may not require a X-over cable between the STB and
the router - depends on the model of the Modem/STB. NTL supplied both a
USB-Ethernet adaptor and a X-over adapter in my startup pack.

NTL is much more like a standard WAN connection that ADSL which uses a Dial
up adapter thingy as I understood it. When you connect their DHCP server
assigns you your IP address & you then need to register the MAC address of
the device that's connected (although you can have several registered).
Aside from that you just connect the thing up & follow the online
instructions that will appear in your Browser.

I use a D-Link 804 4 port 10/100 switch/router - Acts as a DHCP server &
supports PPTP & IPSec for VPN tunneling, DMZ & allows the opening of
specific ports as needed. The IPSec/PPTP are important of your mate thinks
he might ever use his broadband to access Office systems.

RTM basically!

HTH

I.

I did say it was a dumb question!

I was not aware how NTL delivered it's broadband - I have been educated :-)
I assumed (wrongly) that it came in on the phone pair as opposed to the
coax.

Even though I got the slapping and flaming I deserved I am now wiser - so
thank you all.

I note someone saying that the cablemodem (which is a stand-alone item next
to his pc) often has rj45's on already. This would be a bonus. I take it
that it would be feasable then to stick it into a hub and do away with the
usb and share thus? No need for a router, ICS or winproxy (the three options
I was looking at).

I'll find out just what the box is and open myself up for further flaming
with the next round of questions.

Thanks all :-)

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:03:41 +0100 and in article <Rl6Ua.51839
$(E-Mail Removed)>, Ivor Brokewind said...
> I note someone saying that the cablemodem (which is a stand-alone item next
> to his pc) often has rj45's on already. This would be a bonus. I take it
> that it would be feasable then to stick it into a hub and do away with the
> usb and share thus?
>
NO. The Modem is NOT A ROUTER.

--
CB

In message <Rl6Ua.51839$(E-Mail Removed)>, Ivor Brokewind
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>I note someone saying that the cablemodem (which is a stand-alone item next
>to his pc) often has rj45's on already. This would be a bonus. I take it
>that it would be feasable then to stick it into a hub and do away with the
>usb and share thus? No need for a router, ICS or winproxy (the three options
>I was looking at).

Our NTL cable modem came with an RJ45 output.

CHRIS
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Chris Wilkinson - Dubna Systems
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automatically deleted and therefore not read.

"Ivor Brokewind" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Rl6Ua.51839$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> I did say it was a dumb question!
>
> I was not aware how NTL delivered it's broadband - I have been educated
:-)
> I assumed (wrongly) that it came in on the phone pair as opposed to the
> coax.
>
> Even though I got the slapping and flaming I deserved I am now wiser - so
> thank you all.
>
> I note someone saying that the cablemodem (which is a stand-alone item
next
> to his pc) often has rj45's on already. This would be a bonus. I take it
> that it would be feasable then to stick it into a hub and do away with the
> usb and share thus? No need for a router, ICS or winproxy (the three
options
> I was looking at).

No, you cannot connect a hub (or a switch) to the STB.Cable Modem - you need
to use a router - you can put what you like behind that. Lots of us use
Routers with 4/8 port switches built in though.


> I'll find out just what the box is and open myself up for further flaming
> with the next round of questions.

The trickiest part will be the MAC address thing. The easiest way is
probably to connect your mate's PC directly to the CM first & get that
working & register all the necessary information with NTL. Once you've done
that then you can connect the router in the middle - when you set it up (and
before you connect it to the CM you'll need to clone the MAC address off the
PC you used in the first place (making sure that the router you buy has the
ability to spoof a MAC address of course!). That way when you connect the
router to the CM as far as NTL is concerned its still connected to the same
MAC address that it was originally.

I.