DSL plus dial-in...

Hello,

Haven't found a good howto for this yet despite thorough searching.

How do you start a dial-in on a box connected to dsl? Do you need a
separate phoneline for dial-in going to the modem or can you use the
dsl line?

Thanks.

In article <(E-Mail Removed)> , lurq wrote:

> Haven't found a good howto for this yet despite thorough searching.
>
> How do you start a dial-in on a box connected to dsl?

Same way you do on what that isn't connected to DSL. I use pppd:

# /usr/sbin/pppd call visi

> Do you need a separate phoneline for dial-in going to the modem or can you
> use the dsl line?

You can use the same line.

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Grant Edwards <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:

>In article <(E-Mail Removed)> , lurq wrote:

>> Haven't found a good howto for this yet despite thorough searching.
>>
>> How do you start a dial-in on a box connected to dsl?

>Same way you do on what that isn't connected to DSL. I use pppd:

> # /usr/sbin/pppd call visi

This would work for outgoing connections, but from the text above
I don't think that that's what the OP was looking for. Seems that
dial-in _into_ the box is what he was after. If so, then he could use
either the DSL connection (via DDNS and appropriate setup on the
server side), or has to connect a separate modem (if a PPP dial-in
from ISDN or analogue modem was required).

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On 25 Sep 2003 22:55:26 -0700, lurq <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Haven't found a good howto for this yet despite thorough searching.
>
> How do you start a dial-in on a box connected to dsl? Do you need a
> separate phoneline for dial-in going to the modem or can you use the
> dsl line?

You can use mgetty to answer the phone and connect ppp. If you want to
access your DSL from there you would need ip_forward enabled and you would
need to masquerade the dialin IP as your DSL IP.

If your DSL is line share (as most of them are now), you can use same
phone line, but your analog (dialin) modem needs to be filtered. Also
note that your dialin would be limited to V.34 speeds (33.6K max).
Special equipment is require to do V.90 server.

So accessing the internet (or your DSL box) would be faster using
a V.90 ISP dialup.

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(E-Mail Removed) (David Efflandt) wrote in message news:<(E-Mail Removed)>...
> On 25 Sep 2003 22:55:26 -0700, lurq <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Haven't found a good howto for this yet despite thorough searching.
> >
> > How do you start a dial-in on a box connected to dsl? Do you need a
> > separate phoneline for dial-in going to the modem or can you use the
> > dsl line?
>
> You can use mgetty to answer the phone and connect ppp. If you want to
> access your DSL from there you would need ip_forward enabled and you would
> need to masquerade the dialin IP as your DSL IP.
>
> If your DSL is line share (as most of them are now), you can use same
> phone line, but your analog (dialin) modem needs to be filtered. Also
> note that your dialin would be limited to V.34 speeds (33.6K max).
> Special equipment is require to do V.90 server.
>
> So accessing the internet (or your DSL box) would be faster using
> a V.90 ISP dialup.

Sorry for the delayed response. I haven't tried what you guys were
telling me but I'll post as soon as I get it running.


I think I confused you guys with my post, so here is what I wanted in
illustration (i'm not a native English speaker):


dsl ----> box <---- dial-in via modem (what phone line do i use here?)

Thank you and God bless,

- j

lurq wrote:

>>>Haven't found a good howto for this yet despite thorough searching.
>>>
>>>How do you start a dial-in on a box connected to dsl? Do you need a
>>>separate phoneline for dial-in going to the modem or can you use the
>>>dsl line?
>>
>>You can use mgetty to answer the phone and connect ppp. If you want to
>>access your DSL from there you would need ip_forward enabled and you would
>>need to masquerade the dialin IP as your DSL IP.
>>
>>If your DSL is line share (as most of them are now), you can use same
>>phone line, but your analog (dialin) modem needs to be filtered. Also
>>note that your dialin would be limited to V.34 speeds (33.6K max).
>>Special equipment is require to do V.90 server.
>>
>>So accessing the internet (or your DSL box) would be faster using
>>a V.90 ISP dialup.
>
>
> Sorry for the delayed response. I haven't tried what you guys were
> telling me but I'll post as soon as I get it running.
>
>
> I think I confused you guys with my post, so here is what I wanted in
> illustration (i'm not a native English speaker):
>
>
> dsl ----> box <---- dial-in via modem (what phone line do i use here?)

Just for clarification: As David has already said, You cannot use Your
DSL line for dial-in, but You have to use some separate phone line (no
matter whether ISDN or analog). That is simply because Your DSL does not
have such thing like a phone number to make it accessible from the out-
side.

All other things David said are suggestions on how to do what You want.

Especially the V.90 thing: Depending on where You want to dial into
Your DSL box _from_, it may be faster (V.90) and even cheaper to access
that box via internet, i. e. via a respective local ISP.


Cheers, Jack.

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In article <blb9sv$i6o$00$(E-Mail Removed)>, jack wrote:

>> dsl ----> box <---- dial-in via modem (what phone line do i use here?)
>
> Just for clarification: As David has already said, You cannot use Your
> DSL line for dial-in,
> but You have to use some separate phone line (no
> matter whether ISDN or analog). That is simply because Your DSL does not
> have such thing like a phone number to make it accessible from the out-
> side.

I guess I missed that in the OP's description. My DSL
certainly has a phone number, and can be used to either dial-in
or dial-out (either modem or normal voice).

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Grant Edwards wrote:
>>Just for clarification: As David has already said, You cannot use Your
>>DSL line for dial-in,
>>but You have to use some separate phone line (no
>>matter whether ISDN or analog). That is simply because Your DSL does not
>>have such thing like a phone number to make it accessible from the out-
>>side.
>
>
> I guess I missed that in the OP's description. My DSL
> certainly has a phone number, and can be used to either dial-in
> or dial-out (either modem or normal voice).

Is it the DSL connection that You can dial directly into, or is that
DSL bandwith part of a "normal" phone subscriber line? - And, how do
You "voice over DSL"? - And, who is Your provider?


Cheers, Jack.

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In article <ble20h$n10$01$(E-Mail Removed)>, jack wrote:

>>>Just for clarification: As David has already said, You cannot
>>>use Your DSL line for dial-in, but You have to use some
>>>separate phone line (no matter whether ISDN or analog). That is
>>>simply because Your DSL does not have such thing like a phone
>>>number to make it accessible from the out- side.
>>
>> I guess I missed that in the OP's description. My DSL
>> certainly has a phone number, and can be used to either dial-in
>> or dial-out (either modem or normal voice).
>
> Is it the DSL connection that You can dial directly into, or is that
> DSL bandwith part of a "normal" phone subscriber line?

The latter. My DSL connection is on a normal twisted-pair POTS
loop. I thought that was what the OP was asking: can he use
the same phone like for DSL and for dial-in/dial-out? The
answer is yes for all of the residential DSL providers of which
I am aware. I've heard that some carriers offer "business" DSL
lines w/o POTS service, but I've never known anybody who had
service like that.

> - And, how do You "voice over DSL"?

You do voice "under DSL". The normal POTS system uses the
bandwidth from 0-4KHz, DSL uses bandwidth above that.

> - And, who is Your provider?

QWest.

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Grant Edwards wrote:

>>>I guess I missed that in the OP's description. My DSL
>>>certainly has a phone number, and can be used to either dial-in
>>>or dial-out (either modem or normal voice).
>>
>>Is it the DSL connection that You can dial directly into, or is that
>>DSL bandwith part of a "normal" phone subscriber line?
>
> The latter. My DSL connection is on a normal twisted-pair POTS
> loop. I thought that was what the OP was asking: can he use
> the same phone like for DSL and for dial-in/dial-out? The
> answer is yes for all of the residential DSL providers of which
> I am aware. I've heard that some carriers offer "business" DSL
> lines w/o POTS service, but I've never known anybody who had
> service like that.
>
>>- And, how do You "voice over DSL"?
>
> You do voice "under DSL". The normal POTS system uses the
> bandwidth from 0-4KHz, DSL uses bandwidth above that.
>
>>- And, who is Your provider?
>
> QWest.

OK, Grant, what I meant upon Your reply was that You cannot use the
DSL line (read: service) to dial-in into any PPPD server by number or
similar. For that, You need phone services, no matter whether they
arrive on the same cable or not. - So I was very surprised to hear
that this should be possible with Your ISP... I was even ready to move
to that area...


Cheers, Jack.

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