DSL and ICS with WiFi? Can I do this?

Verizon DSL modem with a Gateway computer connected via ethernet.
Gateway laptop with wireless card. Want to share the DSL connection
without buying or having to buy or configure a router. Can I put a
wireless PCI card in the main computer that is connected to the DSL
modem and then enable ICS so the laptop can share this connection? I
did this with a dialup setup with a switch and two computers but
haven't done one with wireless yet. Will this work? If not, then
what is the best way to do this and what is the best wireless network
card for a regular PC?

Thanks,

Nathan

Bryan Rich <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> Verizon DSL modem with a Gateway computer connected via ethernet.
> Gateway laptop with wireless card. Want to share the DSL connection
> without buying or having to buy or configure a router. Can I put a
> wireless PCI card in the main computer that is connected to the DSL
> modem and then enable ICS so the laptop can share this connection? I
> did this with a dialup setup with a switch and two computers but
> haven't done one with wireless yet. Will this work? If not, then
> what is the best way to do this and what is the best wireless network
> card for a regular PC?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nathan
>
Yeah, that's called AD-Hoc wireless networking where you put a wireless NIC
in the machine that has the Internet connection and enable ICS so that the
other computer with the other wireless NIC (with AD-HOC mode set on both
NIC's) can get out to the Internet.

Duane

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 23:16:24 GMT, Duane Arnold <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>Bryan Rich <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>news:(E-Mail Removed) :
>
>> Verizon DSL modem with a Gateway computer connected via ethernet.
>> Gateway laptop with wireless card. Want to share the DSL connection
>> without buying or having to buy or configure a router. Can I put a
>> wireless PCI card in the main computer that is connected to the DSL
>> modem and then enable ICS so the laptop can share this connection? I
>> did this with a dialup setup with a switch and two computers but
>> haven't done one with wireless yet. Will this work? If not, then
>> what is the best way to do this and what is the best wireless network
>> card for a regular PC?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>Yeah, that's called AD-Hoc wireless networking where you put a wireless NIC
>in the machine that has the Internet connection and enable ICS so that the
>other computer with the other wireless NIC (with AD-HOC mode set on both
>NIC's) can get out to the Internet.
>
>Duane
>

Thanks Duane. Have another questions or two if you don't mind.

So, how do you set the wireless card to "Ad-Hoc"? Never done this
before so need some help understanding what needs to be done.

What do you recommend for a wireless PCI card for this application?

Thanks,

Nathan

On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 23:59:11 GMT, Bryan Rich <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>So, how do you set the wireless card to "Ad-Hoc"? Never done this
>before so need some help understanding what needs to be done.

See "Ad-Hoc Networking" in:
http://www.jiwire.com/wi-fi-os-setup-windows-xp.htm
Wireless Zero Config will display and label both infrastructure access
points and ad-hoc under "show available connections".

>What do you recommend for a wireless PCI card for this application?

Before you elect to use a wireless PCI card, consider where you're
going to locate the computah in question. If it's buried under a
desk, up against a wall, and in the middle of a tangle of wires, your
range and performance will be truely awful. For a desktop, you might
consider a USB radio or perhaps an ethernet connected box that has a
client mode (WAP54G, WRT54G with Satori firmware, DWL-900AP+,
DWL-2100, and some others).


--
Jeff Liebermann (E-Mail Removed)
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 AE6KS 831-336-2558

Bryan Rich <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 23:16:24 GMT, Duane Arnold <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>>Bryan Rich <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>>news:(E-Mail Removed) m:
>>
>>> Verizon DSL modem with a Gateway computer connected via ethernet.
>>> Gateway laptop with wireless card. Want to share the DSL connection
>>> without buying or having to buy or configure a router. Can I put a
>>> wireless PCI card in the main computer that is connected to the DSL
>>> modem and then enable ICS so the laptop can share this connection?
>>> I did this with a dialup setup with a switch and two computers but
>>> haven't done one with wireless yet. Will this work? If not, then
>>> what is the best way to do this and what is the best wireless
>>> network card for a regular PC?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Nathan
>>>
>>Yeah, that's called AD-Hoc wireless networking where you put a
>>wireless NIC in the machine that has the Internet connection and
>>enable ICS so that the other computer with the other wireless NIC
>>(with AD-HOC mode set on both NIC's) can get out to the Internet.
>>
>>Duane
>>
>
> Thanks Duane. Have another questions or two if you don't mind.
>
> So, how do you set the wireless card to "Ad-Hoc"? Never done this
> before so need some help understanding what needs to be done.
>
> What do you recommend for a wireless PCI card for this application?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nathan


I believe the other poster has covered it. The only wireless I have dealt
with is a Linksys router and card and I have had no problems to speak of
using the Linksys line. You may want to consider using a wireless NAT
router that provides better security on the wireless and the connection to
the Internet than an Internet facing computer with a direct connection to
the Internet.

http://www.homenethelp.com/web/explain/about-NAT.asp
http://compnetworking.about.com/od/w...fisecurity.htm

If you have a choice, then go with the wireless NAT router AP or stand
alone wireless AP for the security they can provide.


Duane

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 03:20:42 GMT, Duane Arnold <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>Bryan Rich <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>news:(E-Mail Removed) :
>
>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 23:16:24 GMT, Duane Arnold <(E-Mail Removed)>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Bryan Rich <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>>>news:(E-Mail Removed) :
>>>
>>>> Verizon DSL modem with a Gateway computer connected via ethernet.
>>>> Gateway laptop with wireless card. Want to share the DSL connection
>>>> without buying or having to buy or configure a router. Can I put a
>>>> wireless PCI card in the main computer that is connected to the DSL
>>>> modem and then enable ICS so the laptop can share this connection?
>>>> I did this with a dialup setup with a switch and two computers but
>>>> haven't done one with wireless yet. Will this work? If not, then
>>>> what is the best way to do this and what is the best wireless
>>>> network card for a regular PC?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Nathan
>>>>
>>>Yeah, that's called AD-Hoc wireless networking where you put a
>>>wireless NIC in the machine that has the Internet connection and
>>>enable ICS so that the other computer with the other wireless NIC
>>>(with AD-HOC mode set on both NIC's) can get out to the Internet.
>>>
>>>Duane
>>>
>>
>> Thanks Duane. Have another questions or two if you don't mind.
>>
>> So, how do you set the wireless card to "Ad-Hoc"? Never done this
>> before so need some help understanding what needs to be done.
>>
>> What do you recommend for a wireless PCI card for this application?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Nathan
>
>
>I believe the other poster has covered it. The only wireless I have dealt
>with is a Linksys router and card and I have had no problems to speak of
>using the Linksys line. You may want to consider using a wireless NAT
>router that provides better security on the wireless and the connection to
>the Internet than an Internet facing computer with a direct connection to
>the Internet.
>
>http://www.homenethelp.com/web/explain/about-NAT.asp
>http://compnetworking.about.com/od/w...fisecurity.htm
>
>If you have a choice, then go with the wireless NAT router AP or stand
>alone wireless AP for the security they can provide.
>
>
>Duane

Bought a Microsoft AP MN-500 that has been nothing but a pain in the
ass from day one. Fooled with it for two days and I've now had
enough. You have to be connected to the internet to upgrade the
firmware on it and I haven't been able to get it to work long enough
to do that. So, I decided to go the AdHoc route you spoke of instead.

As far as security is concerned, I'm in the middle of nowhere and
don't consider that to be a problem. I live in the middle of 10 acres
so it a signal can get that far out then I may just sell some of my
bandwidth ;-)

Thanks again guys. I really appreciate the help and Jim, I did buy a
USB wireless setup because it had an antenna with it ;-)

Nathan

Bryan Rich <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 03:20:42 GMT, Duane Arnold <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>>Bryan Rich <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>>news:(E-Mail Removed) m:
>>
>>> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 23:16:24 GMT, Duane Arnold <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Bryan Rich <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>>>>news:(E-Mail Removed) m:
>>>>
>>>>> Verizon DSL modem with a Gateway computer connected via ethernet.
>>>>> Gateway laptop with wireless card. Want to share the DSL
>>>>> connection without buying or having to buy or configure a router.
>>>>> Can I put a wireless PCI card in the main computer that is
>>>>> connected to the DSL modem and then enable ICS so the laptop can
>>>>> share this connection? I did this with a dialup setup with a
>>>>> switch and two computers but haven't done one with wireless yet.
>>>>> Will this work? If not, then what is the best way to do this and
>>>>> what is the best wireless network card for a regular PC?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>
>>>>Yeah, that's called AD-Hoc wireless networking where you put a
>>>>wireless NIC in the machine that has the Internet connection and
>>>>enable ICS so that the other computer with the other wireless NIC
>>>>(with AD-HOC mode set on both NIC's) can get out to the Internet.
>>>>
>>>>Duane
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Duane. Have another questions or two if you don't mind.
>>>
>>> So, how do you set the wireless card to "Ad-Hoc"? Never done this
>>> before so need some help understanding what needs to be done.
>>>
>>> What do you recommend for a wireless PCI card for this application?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Nathan
>>
>>
>>I believe the other poster has covered it. The only wireless I have
>>dealt with is a Linksys router and card and I have had no problems to
>>speak of using the Linksys line. You may want to consider using a
>>wireless NAT router that provides better security on the wireless and
>>the connection to the Internet than an Internet facing computer with a
>>direct connection to the Internet.
>>
>>http://www.homenethelp.com/web/explain/about-NAT.asp
>>http://compnetworking.about.com/od/w...fisecurity.htm
>>
>>If you have a choice, then go with the wireless NAT router AP or stand
>>alone wireless AP for the security they can provide.
>>
>>
>>Duane
>
> Bought a Microsoft AP MN-500 that has been nothing but a pain in the
> ass from day one. Fooled with it for two days and I've now had
> enough. You have to be connected to the internet to upgrade the
> firmware on it and I haven't been able to get it to work long enough
> to do that. So, I decided to go the AdHoc route you spoke of instead.

I don't know who makes the M$ equipment. But I'll never go with anything
equipment wise that has M$ stamped on it.

There is such a thing as (war driving). You leave the door open long
enough and the wrong dogs may come home. ;-)

Duane

"Bryan Rich" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Verizon DSL modem with a Gateway computer connected via ethernet.
> Gateway laptop with wireless card. Want to share the DSL connection
> without buying or having to buy or configure a router. Can I put a
> wireless PCI card in the main computer that is connected to the DSL
> modem and then enable ICS so the laptop can share this connection? I
> did this with a dialup setup with a switch and two computers but
> haven't done one with wireless yet. Will this work? If not, then
> what is the best way to do this and what is the best wireless network
> card for a regular PC?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nathan

Absolutetly. Its not really all that different with wireless than it is
with hard connected ethernet, other than just configuring AdHoc. I put out
wireless, using dialup, before going to broadband. Simply just enabled ICS
and bridged the dialup modem to a wireless card in the PC. Imagine the same
with a DSL modem, whether its coming in USB or into an ethernet NIC wouldn't
be much different. Even with dialup, it worked just fine. (Slow as heck
with dialup when you have a couple PC's pulling traffic though!) As Jeff
Liebermann noted (he has a wealth of information!), one of the major
problems with doing such is the location of computer. Especially if you are
running an AdHoc "Access Point" coming out the back of a PC. I was able to
improve it's performance by getting an external antenna that sat on the desk
above the PC, but it still wasn't the best location.

Just my opinion, but even after getting AdHoc going, I'd probably still look
into an actual wireless router/AP eventually. These animals are dirt cheap
these days and the benefits are worth the few extra bucks -- i.e., built in
firewalls, easily able to do port forwaring and such, able to place the
router in better locations, and perhaps the best benefit is that none of
your computers (or network "appliances") have to be powered for the network
to remain "alive". Running through a router is also cakewalk compared to
doing the whole ICS/AdHoc thing as well.

Cheers!
-Eric

<snip>

Well, I thought I could do it but not successful to this point? I
have had it where I could transfer files from one computer to the
other but still can't get the Laptop to use the DSL connection of the
Gateway compute by using ICS? I've done this countless times with a
wired system but this wireless crap is starting to get to me. I know
it's probably some simple something I'm overlooking but fact remains
that I can't get the internet connection I need.

Question: Which connection in Network Connections is suppose to be the
one for ICS? Do I make it the verizon DSL one or the wireless one? I
have it set for the verizon connection but no luck. I also have the
verizon connection set as a Peer to Peer connection. Called Belkin
hoping to get some help from them but when I told the guy I had
transferred an 83MB file from one puter to the other he said sorry,
can't help with the internet connection because that is part of the
windowz system. So, now i'm back to shit that doesn't work, again!!

Any help or suggestions guys?

Nathan

Nathan <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:(E-Mail Removed):

> <snip>
>
> Well, I thought I could do it but not successful to this point? I
> have had it where I could transfer files from one computer to the
> other but still can't get the Laptop to use the DSL connection of the
> Gateway compute by using ICS? I've done this countless times with a
> wired system but this wireless crap is starting to get to me. I know
> it's probably some simple something I'm overlooking but fact remains
> that I can't get the internet connection I need.
>
> Question: Which connection in Network Connections is suppose to be the
> one for ICS? Do I make it the verizon DSL one or the wireless one? I
> have it set for the verizon connection but no luck. I also have the
> verizon connection set as a Peer to Peer connection. Called Belkin
> hoping to get some help from them but when I told the guy I had
> transferred an 83MB file from one puter to the other he said sorry,
> can't help with the internet connection because that is part of the
> windowz system. So, now i'm back to shit that doesn't work, again!!
>
> Any help or suggestions guys?
>

It's been a loooooong time since I last used ICS on a gateway computer (NAT
router makes life easier) but as I recall the Internet facing NIC should
have ICS enabled. It could be that the standard protocols for the NIC's
and for the wireless NIC are not right.

What O/S(s) are being used?

What protocols and what not are being used on the NIC(s)?

Duane