DSClient for Win98 do not work with Win2003 DC

I cannot install the DSClient for Windows 2000 in my Win98 workstations,
using a new Win2003 environment.

If I configure the workstations without the DSClient, and follow the
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=308178, I can logon with no problems in the
domain. However, if I install the DSClient, the logon error message
described in http://support.microsoft.com/?id=308178 apper in the screen. To
solve, I need to uninstall the DSClient, uninstall the Client for MS Network
and reinstall this last, overwriting the news libraries of DSClient.

Any one had this problem and solve it?

Have you also tried http://support.microsoft.com/?id=811497

--

Regards

Matjaz Ladava, MCSA, MCSE, MCT, MVP
Microsoft MVP Windows Server - Active Directory
(E-Mail Removed), (E-Mail Removed)



"Max André Bündchen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%235B%23H$(E-Mail Removed)...
> I cannot install the DSClient for Windows 2000 in my Win98 workstations,
> using a new Win2003 environment.
>
> If I configure the workstations without the DSClient, and follow the
> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=308178, I can logon with no problems in
the
> domain. However, if I install the DSClient, the logon error message
> described in http://support.microsoft.com/?id=308178 apper in the screen.
To
> solve, I need to uninstall the DSClient, uninstall the Client for MS
Network
> and reinstall this last, overwriting the news libraries of DSClient.
>
> Any one had this problem and solve it?
>
>

This is indicated for Win95 Workstations, but in my case, the workstations
are Win98SE. More, I should not disable a directive of security such that,
because in my environment, some clients use VPN connections to our system
support.

"Matjaz Ladava [MVP]" <matjaz@_nospam_ladava.com> escreveu na mensagem
news:OEJW$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Have you also tried http://support.microsoft.com/?id=811497
>
> --
>
> Regards
>
> Matjaz Ladava, MCSA, MCSE, MCT, MVP
> Microsoft MVP Windows Server - Active Directory
> (E-Mail Removed), (E-Mail Removed)
>
>
>
> "Max André Bündchen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%235B%23H$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I cannot install the DSClient for Windows 2000 in my Win98 workstations,
> > using a new Win2003 environment.
> >
> > If I configure the workstations without the DSClient, and follow the
> > http://support.microsoft.com/?id=308178, I can logon with no problems in
> the
> > domain. However, if I install the DSClient, the logon error message
> > described in http://support.microsoft.com/?id=308178 apper in the
screen.
> To
> > solve, I need to uninstall the DSClient, uninstall the Client for MS
> Network
> > and reinstall this last, overwriting the news libraries of DSClient.
> >
> > Any one had this problem and solve it?
> >
> >
>
>

We run Win98 and NT4 clients on our 2003 Domain and don't use the DSClient
at all. Everything works fine. In my opinion the DSClient provides very
little benefit and isn't worth the hassel if it is giving you trouble just
trying to install it. If it allowed Group Policy to work then it would be
worth it to me, but it doesn't, so it isn't worth fooling with to me.


--

Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com


"Max André Bündchen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
> This is indicated for Win95 Workstations, but in my case, the workstations
> are Win98SE. More, I should not disable a directive of security such that,
> because in my environment, some clients use VPN connections to our system
> support.
>
> "Matjaz Ladava [MVP]" <matjaz@_nospam_ladava.com> escreveu na mensagem
> news:OEJW$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Have you also tried http://support.microsoft.com/?id=811497
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Matjaz Ladava, MCSA, MCSE, MCT, MVP
> > Microsoft MVP Windows Server - Active Directory
> > (E-Mail Removed), (E-Mail Removed)
> >
> >
> >
> > "Max André Bündchen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:%235B%23H$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > I cannot install the DSClient for Windows 2000 in my Win98
workstations,
> > > using a new Win2003 environment.
> > >
> > > If I configure the workstations without the DSClient, and follow the
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/?id=308178, I can logon with no problems
in
> > the
> > > domain. However, if I install the DSClient, the logon error message
> > > described in http://support.microsoft.com/?id=308178 apper in the
> screen.
> > To
> > > solve, I need to uninstall the DSClient, uninstall the Client for MS
> > Network
> > > and reinstall this last, overwriting the news libraries of DSClient.
> > >
> > > Any one had this problem and solve it?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Phillip,

In a single domain model the DS client isn't as needed as in a multi site
model.

With the NT4.0 machines in particular they look for the PDC emulator if they
don't have the DS client installed, with the DS client they can use the
closest DC.

Win9x machines are similar in behavior.

We're running 40 sites in an intergrated AD domain, and Win9x and NT4.0
machines without the DS client rarely work without issues, with the client,
they're happy campers.

Just my 2 bytes.

Diane


"Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
news:ucK20p%(E-Mail Removed)...
We run Win98 and NT4 clients on our 2003 Domain and don't use the DSClient
at all. Everything works fine. In my opinion the DSClient provides very
little benefit and isn't worth the hassel if it is giving you trouble just
trying to install it. If it allowed Group Policy to work then it would be
worth it to me, but it doesn't, so it isn't worth fooling with to me.


--

Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com


"Max André Bündchen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
> This is indicated for Win95 Workstations, but in my case, the workstations
> are Win98SE. More, I should not disable a directive of security such that,
> because in my environment, some clients use VPN connections to our system
> support.
>
> "Matjaz Ladava [MVP]" <matjaz@_nospam_ladava.com> escreveu na mensagem
> news:OEJW$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Have you also tried http://support.microsoft.com/?id=811497
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Matjaz Ladava, MCSA, MCSE, MCT, MVP
> > Microsoft MVP Windows Server - Active Directory
> > (E-Mail Removed), (E-Mail Removed)
> >
> >
> >
> > "Max André Bündchen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:%235B%23H$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > I cannot install the DSClient for Windows 2000 in my Win98
workstations,
> > > using a new Win2003 environment.
> > >
> > > If I configure the workstations without the DSClient, and follow the
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/?id=308178, I can logon with no problems
in
> > the
> > > domain. However, if I install the DSClient, the logon error message
> > > described in http://support.microsoft.com/?id=308178 apper in the
> screen.
> > To
> > > solve, I need to uninstall the DSClient, uninstall the Client for MS
> > Network
> > > and reinstall this last, overwriting the news libraries of DSClient.
> > >
> > > Any one had this problem and solve it?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Hi,

As far as I know, the SMB signing issue only affects Windows 95 without
DSClient and NT before SP4. I have never heard of problems with DSClient on
Win98 machines.

You can get by without DSClient in a small network, as long as you realize
you will not have ADSI. Unless you use third party tools, you will not be
able to communicate with Active Directory from a script. For example, you
will not be able to determine group membership.

Can you verify that you only have the problem when the password is expired?
Is the PDC emulator available? Is there a Global Catalog server on site?

--
Richard
Microsoft MVP Scripting and ADSI
HilltopLab web site - http://www.rlmueller.net
--
"Diane McCorkle" <diane.mccorkle at atcassociates dot com> wrote in message
news:ONYjMc$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Phillip,
>
> In a single domain model the DS client isn't as needed as in a multi site
> model.
>
> With the NT4.0 machines in particular they look for the PDC emulator if
they
> don't have the DS client installed, with the DS client they can use the
> closest DC.
>
> Win9x machines are similar in behavior.
>
> We're running 40 sites in an intergrated AD domain, and Win9x and NT4.0
> machines without the DS client rarely work without issues, with the
client,
> they're happy campers.
>
> Just my 2 bytes.
>
> Diane
>
>
> "Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
> news:ucK20p%(E-Mail Removed)...
> We run Win98 and NT4 clients on our 2003 Domain and don't use the DSClient
> at all. Everything works fine. In my opinion the DSClient provides very
> little benefit and isn't worth the hassel if it is giving you trouble just
> trying to install it. If it allowed Group Policy to work then it would be
> worth it to me, but it doesn't, so it isn't worth fooling with to me.
>
>
> --
>
> Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
> www.wandtv.com
>
>
> "Max André Bündchen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
> > This is indicated for Win95 Workstations, but in my case, the
workstations
> > are Win98SE. More, I should not disable a directive of security such
that,
> > because in my environment, some clients use VPN connections to our
system
> > support.
> >
> > "Matjaz Ladava [MVP]" <matjaz@_nospam_ladava.com> escreveu na mensagem
> > news:OEJW$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > Have you also tried http://support.microsoft.com/?id=811497
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Matjaz Ladava, MCSA, MCSE, MCT, MVP
> > > Microsoft MVP Windows Server - Active Directory
> > > (E-Mail Removed), (E-Mail Removed)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Max André Bündchen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > news:%235B%23H$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > I cannot install the DSClient for Windows 2000 in my Win98
> workstations,
> > > > using a new Win2003 environment.
> > > >
> > > > If I configure the workstations without the DSClient, and follow the
> > > > http://support.microsoft.com/?id=308178, I can logon with no
problems
> in
> > > the
> > > > domain. However, if I install the DSClient, the logon error message
> > > > described in http://support.microsoft.com/?id=308178 apper in the
> > screen.
> > > To
> > > > solve, I need to uninstall the DSClient, uninstall the Client for MS
> > > Network
> > > > and reinstall this last, overwriting the news libraries of DSClient.
> > > >
> > > > Any one had this problem and solve it?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Hi,

I also have a network with Windows 2003 Server and some W98 SE box and have
problem when password is expired.
When a user log and his password is expired, a message windows popup to
notice that the user password is expired. After click Ok an change password
windows popup. Now the user can change is password. After click Ok on that
windows a third popup windows appear with message like "Your password has
been change". When the user click this last windows session is ending and
the microsoft logiin windows pop. At that point it is impossible to log on
the machine until it was reboot.

Two notes :
1- After that the user password has been changed for the new one.
2- If we wait 10 to 15 seconds before click Ok on the last Message "your
password has been change" the session is open normaly.

I called Microsoft as they ask in the kb
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;323466 to receive an
update to DSCLIENT for Win 98 and I download it and try it but the problem
still there.

The PDC emulator is available and the Global Catalog server is on site.
WINS avaliable to.

Patrice
Technicien en Informatique
CSL
(E-Mail Removed)




"Richard Mueller [MVP]" <rlmueller-(E-Mail Removed)> a écrit dans
le message de news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi,
>
> As far as I know, the SMB signing issue only affects Windows 95 without
> DSClient and NT before SP4. I have never heard of problems with DSClient
on
> Win98 machines.
>
> You can get by without DSClient in a small network, as long as you realize
> you will not have ADSI. Unless you use third party tools, you will not be
> able to communicate with Active Directory from a script. For example, you
> will not be able to determine group membership.
>
> Can you verify that you only have the problem when the password is
expired?
> Is the PDC emulator available? Is there a Global Catalog server on site?
>
> --
> Richard
> Microsoft MVP Scripting and ADSI
> HilltopLab web site - http://www.rlmueller.net
> --
> "Diane McCorkle" <diane.mccorkle at atcassociates dot com> wrote in
message
> news:ONYjMc$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Phillip,
> >
> > In a single domain model the DS client isn't as needed as in a multi
site
> > model.
> >
> > With the NT4.0 machines in particular they look for the PDC emulator if
> they
> > don't have the DS client installed, with the DS client they can use the
> > closest DC.
> >
> > Win9x machines are similar in behavior.
> >
> > We're running 40 sites in an intergrated AD domain, and Win9x and NT4.0
> > machines without the DS client rarely work without issues, with the
> client,
> > they're happy campers.
> >
> > Just my 2 bytes.
> >
> > Diane
> >
> >
> > "Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
> > news:ucK20p%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > We run Win98 and NT4 clients on our 2003 Domain and don't use the
DSClient
> > at all. Everything works fine. In my opinion the DSClient provides very
> > little benefit and isn't worth the hassel if it is giving you trouble
just
> > trying to install it. If it allowed Group Policy to work then it would
be
> > worth it to me, but it doesn't, so it isn't worth fooling with to me.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
> > www.wandtv.com
> >
> >
> > "Max André Bündchen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > This is indicated for Win95 Workstations, but in my case, the
> workstations
> > > are Win98SE. More, I should not disable a directive of security such
> that,
> > > because in my environment, some clients use VPN connections to our
> system
> > > support.
> > >
> > > "Matjaz Ladava [MVP]" <matjaz@_nospam_ladava.com> escreveu na mensagem
> > > news:OEJW$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > Have you also tried http://support.microsoft.com/?id=811497
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Matjaz Ladava, MCSA, MCSE, MCT, MVP
> > > > Microsoft MVP Windows Server - Active Directory
> > > > (E-Mail Removed), (E-Mail Removed)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Max André Bündchen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > news:%235B%23H$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > I cannot install the DSClient for Windows 2000 in my Win98
> > workstations,
> > > > > using a new Win2003 environment.
> > > > >
> > > > > If I configure the workstations without the DSClient, and follow
the
> > > > > http://support.microsoft.com/?id=308178, I can logon with no
> problems
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > domain. However, if I install the DSClient, the logon error
message
> > > > > described in http://support.microsoft.com/?id=308178 apper in the
> > > screen.
> > > > To
> > > > > solve, I need to uninstall the DSClient, uninstall the Client for
MS
> > > > Network
> > > > > and reinstall this last, overwriting the news libraries of
DSClient.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any one had this problem and solve it?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>