Where does a DMZ live ? :-)

sHello all you experts in wi-fi and networking.
....well,. sometimes it pays to pre-grovel !

I've asked all this in here before, and I've been told it all before,
however I have one or two extra questions ?
I'll try to succinctly describe my hardware and what I want to do.

Main PC, (located outside of my house in my office), with XP Home OEM in it,
and all up to date.
Orange Livebox, (also in office), feeds internet into my office PC along a
rj45 LAN lead.
....and Livebox feeds wi-fi internet to Dads' PC in the house, which has a
Linksys WMP54g pci card in it.
(not really relevant but - Livebox wi-fi currently switched off)

I also have a (atm unused) Linksys WAG354G (adsl modem/router/wifi), in my
office)

I want to connect a short rj45 lead from the 2nd rj45 port on the Livebox to
the Linksys WAG354G, then keep
wi-fi switched off in the Livebox, and wi-fi switched on in the WAG354G.
....so that Dads PC gets its' internet from the WAG354G wi-fi router - which
in turn gets its' internet connenction from the LAN lead with which it's
connected to the Livebox 2nd rj45 port.

(which I trialled a while ago, and it all worked but, I got alarmed by the
DMZ that appeared in the firm/software in the Livebox)

The main reason I want this is so that when Dad wants to use his PC, I
simply switch on the WAG354G, and when he's finished I can simply switch it
off. This method also means that I don't have to keep switching wi-fi on
and off in the Livebox - which won't do its' eeprom much good anyway :-)
.....Wi-fi in the Livebox can stay permanently switched off - meaning that
I'm bathed in much less EMF whilst sat in the same office with the thing
just three feet away. ...now some wise crack is gonna pipe up and say,
"...next to no EMF whilst there's not transceiving going on..." ....well I
want wi-fi off in the Livebox !

I digress, ...

With the above set up, in my office, what are the security implications of
that DMZ which seems to be set in the Livebox ?
(both adsl/modems/routers have Netword Address Translation in them, and both
PC's have good software firewalls in them as well).

I think I have to set:-
LAN IP address to e.g. 192.168.1.1 in Livebox and 192.168.1.2 in WAG354G
Broadcast LAN IP addresss 192.168.1.255
Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 in both ?
DHCP Start Address in Livebox is 192.168.1.7 ?
DHCP Server End address in Livebox is 192.168.1.150
....by the way my ISP gives me a dynamic IP address.

....from previous dabblings I think I have to set a different DHCP address
range in WAG3545G.
e.g. 192.168.1.151 - 192.168.1.200 ...is this correct.

Do I have set a DMZ address range so that only ONE address is allocated for
the WAG354G to access the internet through the Livebox ....does that make
any sense or am I barking up the wrong tree ?

Does this DMZ open port in the Livebox - which suppplys internet to the
WAG354G - become visible, or rather accessible by nasties out there on the
web ? ...dies that also make any sense ?

It's been a couple of months or more since I had a go at this, and last
time, I almost lost access to the innards of the WAG354G

....any help most gratefully received.

regards, Richard

Hi
DMZ is usually feature in Cable/DSL Router that allow to put one Network
device (computer, or any other stand alone network device) in front of the
Firewall.
By doing so all the ports of the device that is on the DMZ are opened and
nothing obstruct traffic, however the device is sitting on the Internet
without any protection sharing it content with the world.
DMZ has to be avoided, in most circumstances ports can be opened as needed
toward the network device in question, and there is No reason for DMZ.
DMZ affect only the device that its IP address was configured to be on the
DMZ, if the device is switched off it does nothing.
If you must use DMZ make sure that the device is configured with static IP,
so that it would not end up assigning another device to the DMZ.
Jack (MVP-Networking).

"RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> sHello all you experts in wi-fi and networking.
> ...well,. sometimes it pays to pre-grovel !
>
> I've asked all this in here before, and I've been told it all before,
> however I have one or two extra questions ?
> I'll try to succinctly describe my hardware and what I want to do.
>
> Main PC, (located outside of my house in my office), with XP Home OEM in
> it, and all up to date.
> Orange Livebox, (also in office), feeds internet into my office PC along a
> rj45 LAN lead.
> ...and Livebox feeds wi-fi internet to Dads' PC in the house, which has a
> Linksys WMP54g pci card in it.
> (not really relevant but - Livebox wi-fi currently switched off)
>
> I also have a (atm unused) Linksys WAG354G (adsl modem/router/wifi), in my
> office)
>
> I want to connect a short rj45 lead from the 2nd rj45 port on the Livebox
> to the Linksys WAG354G, then keep
> wi-fi switched off in the Livebox, and wi-fi switched on in the WAG354G.
> ...so that Dads PC gets its' internet from the WAG354G wi-fi router -
> which in turn gets its' internet connenction from the LAN lead with which
> it's connected to the Livebox 2nd rj45 port.
>
> (which I trialled a while ago, and it all worked but, I got alarmed by the
> DMZ that appeared in the firm/software in the Livebox)
>
> The main reason I want this is so that when Dad wants to use his PC, I
> simply switch on the WAG354G, and when he's finished I can simply switch
> it off. This method also means that I don't have to keep switching wi-fi
> on and off in the Livebox - which won't do its' eeprom much good anyway
> :-) ....Wi-fi in the Livebox can stay permanently switched off - meaning
> that I'm bathed in much less EMF whilst sat in the same office with the
> thing just three feet away. ...now some wise crack is gonna pipe up and
> say, "...next to no EMF whilst there's not transceiving going on..."
> ....well I want wi-fi off in the Livebox !
>
> I digress, ...
>
> With the above set up, in my office, what are the security implications of
> that DMZ which seems to be set in the Livebox ?
> (both adsl/modems/routers have Netword Address Translation in them, and
> both PC's have good software firewalls in them as well).
>
> I think I have to set:-
> LAN IP address to e.g. 192.168.1.1 in Livebox and 192.168.1.2 in WAG354G
> Broadcast LAN IP addresss 192.168.1.255
> Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 in both ?
> DHCP Start Address in Livebox is 192.168.1.7 ?
> DHCP Server End address in Livebox is 192.168.1.150
> ...by the way my ISP gives me a dynamic IP address.
>
> ...from previous dabblings I think I have to set a different DHCP address
> range in WAG3545G.
> e.g. 192.168.1.151 - 192.168.1.200 ...is this correct.
>
> Do I have set a DMZ address range so that only ONE address is allocated
> for the WAG354G to access the internet through the Livebox ....does that
> make any sense or am I barking up the wrong tree ?
>
> Does this DMZ open port in the Livebox - which suppplys internet to the
> WAG354G - become visible, or rather accessible by nasties out there on the
> web ? ...dies that also make any sense ?
>
> It's been a couple of months or more since I had a go at this, and last
> time, I almost lost access to the innards of the WAG354G
>
> ...any help most gratefully received.
>
> regards, Richard

Thanks Jack,

I think I understand what you have explained. i.e. my theory that my
WAG354G - if connected to 2nd rj45 port on Livebox and accessing internet
through a DMZ address in the Livebox - would not be a satisfactory solution
!?!
....back to the drawing board. ...and back to :-
http://www.ezlan.net/basic.html
and http://www.howstuffworks.com/home-network.htm
and http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...07138%2C00.asp etc !


regards, Richard


"Jack (MVP-Networking)." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi
> DMZ is usually feature in Cable/DSL Router that allow to put one Network
> device (computer, or any other stand alone network device) in front of the
> Firewall.
> By doing so all the ports of the device that is on the DMZ are opened and
> nothing obstruct traffic, however the device is sitting on the Internet
> without any protection sharing it content with the world.
> DMZ has to be avoided, in most circumstances ports can be opened as needed
> toward the network device in question, and there is No reason for DMZ.
> DMZ affect only the device that its IP address was configured to be on the
> DMZ, if the device is switched off it does nothing.
> If you must use DMZ make sure that the device is configured with static
> IP, so that it would not end up assigning another device to the DMZ.
> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>
> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>> sHello all you experts in wi-fi and networking.
>> ...well,. sometimes it pays to pre-grovel !
>>
>> I've asked all this in here before, and I've been told it all before,
>> however I have one or two extra questions ?
>> I'll try to succinctly describe my hardware and what I want to do.
>>
>> Main PC, (located outside of my house in my office), with XP Home OEM in
>> it, and all up to date.
>> Orange Livebox, (also in office), feeds internet into my office PC along
>> a rj45 LAN lead.
>> ...and Livebox feeds wi-fi internet to Dads' PC in the house, which has a
>> Linksys WMP54g pci card in it.
>> (not really relevant but - Livebox wi-fi currently switched off)
>>
>> I also have a (atm unused) Linksys WAG354G (adsl modem/router/wifi), in
>> my office)
>>
>> I want to connect a short rj45 lead from the 2nd rj45 port on the Livebox
>> to the Linksys WAG354G, then keep
>> wi-fi switched off in the Livebox, and wi-fi switched on in the WAG354G.
>> ...so that Dads PC gets its' internet from the WAG354G wi-fi router -
>> which in turn gets its' internet connenction from the LAN lead with which
>> it's connected to the Livebox 2nd rj45 port.
>>
>> (which I trialled a while ago, and it all worked but, I got alarmed by
>> the DMZ that appeared in the firm/software in the Livebox)
>>
>> The main reason I want this is so that when Dad wants to use his PC, I
>> simply switch on the WAG354G, and when he's finished I can simply switch
>> it off. This method also means that I don't have to keep switching wi-fi
>> on and off in the Livebox - which won't do its' eeprom much good anyway
>> :-) ....Wi-fi in the Livebox can stay permanently switched off - meaning
>> that I'm bathed in much less EMF whilst sat in the same office with the
>> thing just three feet away. ...now some wise crack is gonna pipe up and
>> say, "...next to no EMF whilst there's not transceiving going on..."
>> ....well I want wi-fi off in the Livebox !
>>
>> I digress, ...
>>
>> With the above set up, in my office, what are the security implications
>> of that DMZ which seems to be set in the Livebox ?
>> (both adsl/modems/routers have Netword Address Translation in them, and
>> both PC's have good software firewalls in them as well).
>>
>> I think I have to set:-
>> LAN IP address to e.g. 192.168.1.1 in Livebox and 192.168.1.2 in WAG354G
>> Broadcast LAN IP addresss 192.168.1.255
>> Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 in both ?
>> DHCP Start Address in Livebox is 192.168.1.7 ?
>> DHCP Server End address in Livebox is 192.168.1.150
>> ...by the way my ISP gives me a dynamic IP address.
>>
>> ...from previous dabblings I think I have to set a different DHCP address
>> range in WAG3545G.
>> e.g. 192.168.1.151 - 192.168.1.200 ...is this correct.
>>
>> Do I have set a DMZ address range so that only ONE address is allocated
>> for the WAG354G to access the internet through the Livebox ....does that
>> make any sense or am I barking up the wrong tree ?
>>
>> Does this DMZ open port in the Livebox - which suppplys internet to the
>> WAG354G - become visible, or rather accessible by nasties out there on
>> the web ? ...dies that also make any sense ?
>>
>> It's been a couple of months or more since I had a go at this, and last
>> time, I almost lost access to the innards of the WAG354G
>>
>> ...any help most gratefully received.
>>
>> regards, Richard
>
>

...rather http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html :-)
....here I go again

regards, Richard


"RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%23$SeO$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Thanks Jack,
>
> I think I understand what you have explained. i.e. my theory that my
> WAG354G - if connected to 2nd rj45 port on Livebox and accessing internet
> through a DMZ address in the Livebox - would not be a satisfactory
> solution !?!
> ...back to the drawing board. ...and back to :-
> http://www.ezlan.net/basic.html
> and http://www.howstuffworks.com/home-network.htm
> and http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...07138%2C00.asp etc !
>
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Hi
>> DMZ is usually feature in Cable/DSL Router that allow to put one Network
>> device (computer, or any other stand alone network device) in front of
>> the Firewall.
>> By doing so all the ports of the device that is on the DMZ are opened and
>> nothing obstruct traffic, however the device is sitting on the Internet
>> without any protection sharing it content with the world.
>> DMZ has to be avoided, in most circumstances ports can be opened as
>> needed toward the network device in question, and there is No reason for
>> DMZ.
>> DMZ affect only the device that its IP address was configured to be on
>> the DMZ, if the device is switched off it does nothing.
>> If you must use DMZ make sure that the device is configured with static
>> IP, so that it would not end up assigning another device to the DMZ.
>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>>
>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> sHello all you experts in wi-fi and networking.
>>> ...well,. sometimes it pays to pre-grovel !
>>>
>>> I've asked all this in here before, and I've been told it all before,
>>> however I have one or two extra questions ?
>>> I'll try to succinctly describe my hardware and what I want to do.
>>>
>>> Main PC, (located outside of my house in my office), with XP Home OEM in
>>> it, and all up to date.
>>> Orange Livebox, (also in office), feeds internet into my office PC along
>>> a rj45 LAN lead.
>>> ...and Livebox feeds wi-fi internet to Dads' PC in the house, which has
>>> a Linksys WMP54g pci card in it.
>>> (not really relevant but - Livebox wi-fi currently switched off)
>>>
>>> I also have a (atm unused) Linksys WAG354G (adsl modem/router/wifi), in
>>> my office)
>>>
>>> I want to connect a short rj45 lead from the 2nd rj45 port on the
>>> Livebox to the Linksys WAG354G, then keep
>>> wi-fi switched off in the Livebox, and wi-fi switched on in the WAG354G.
>>> ...so that Dads PC gets its' internet from the WAG354G wi-fi router -
>>> which in turn gets its' internet connenction from the LAN lead with
>>> which it's connected to the Livebox 2nd rj45 port.
>>>
>>> (which I trialled a while ago, and it all worked but, I got alarmed by
>>> the DMZ that appeared in the firm/software in the Livebox)
>>>
>>> The main reason I want this is so that when Dad wants to use his PC, I
>>> simply switch on the WAG354G, and when he's finished I can simply switch
>>> it off. This method also means that I don't have to keep switching
>>> wi-fi on and off in the Livebox - which won't do its' eeprom much good
>>> anyway :-) ....Wi-fi in the Livebox can stay permanently switched off -
>>> meaning that I'm bathed in much less EMF whilst sat in the same office
>>> with the thing just three feet away. ...now some wise crack is gonna
>>> pipe up and say, "...next to no EMF whilst there's not transceiving
>>> going on..." ....well I want wi-fi off in the Livebox !
>>>
>>> I digress, ...
>>>
>>> With the above set up, in my office, what are the security implications
>>> of that DMZ which seems to be set in the Livebox ?
>>> (both adsl/modems/routers have Netword Address Translation in them, and
>>> both PC's have good software firewalls in them as well).
>>>
>>> I think I have to set:-
>>> LAN IP address to e.g. 192.168.1.1 in Livebox and 192.168.1.2 in
>>> WAG354G
>>> Broadcast LAN IP addresss 192.168.1.255
>>> Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 in both ?
>>> DHCP Start Address in Livebox is 192.168.1.7 ?
>>> DHCP Server End address in Livebox is 192.168.1.150
>>> ...by the way my ISP gives me a dynamic IP address.
>>>
>>> ...from previous dabblings I think I have to set a different DHCP
>>> address range in WAG3545G.
>>> e.g. 192.168.1.151 - 192.168.1.200 ...is this correct.
>>>
>>> Do I have set a DMZ address range so that only ONE address is allocated
>>> for the WAG354G to access the internet through the Livebox ....does that
>>> make any sense or am I barking up the wrong tree ?
>>>
>>> Does this DMZ open port in the Livebox - which suppplys internet to the
>>> WAG354G - become visible, or rather accessible by nasties out there on
>>> the web ? ...dies that also make any sense ?
>>>
>>> It's been a couple of months or more since I had a go at this, and last
>>> time, I almost lost access to the innards of the WAG354G
>>>
>>> ...any help most gratefully received.
>>>
>>> regards, Richard
>>
>>
>

THIS is what I want !!!!
http://www.ezlan.net/shield.html

...but, I want a "blow by blow" account on how to do it, including how to set
all those address ranges in my Livebox and WAG354G !! :-( :-)


regards, Richard


"RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> ..rather http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html :-)
> ...here I go again
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%23$SeO$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Thanks Jack,
>>
>> I think I understand what you have explained. i.e. my theory that my
>> WAG354G - if connected to 2nd rj45 port on Livebox and accessing internet
>> through a DMZ address in the Livebox - would not be a satisfactory
>> solution !?!
>> ...back to the drawing board. ...and back to :-
>> http://www.ezlan.net/basic.html
>> and http://www.howstuffworks.com/home-network.htm
>> and http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...07138%2C00.asp etc !
>>
>>
>> regards, Richard
>>
>>
>> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Hi
>>> DMZ is usually feature in Cable/DSL Router that allow to put one Network
>>> device (computer, or any other stand alone network device) in front of
>>> the Firewall.
>>> By doing so all the ports of the device that is on the DMZ are opened
>>> and nothing obstruct traffic, however the device is sitting on the
>>> Internet without any protection sharing it content with the world.
>>> DMZ has to be avoided, in most circumstances ports can be opened as
>>> needed toward the network device in question, and there is No reason
>>> for DMZ.
>>> DMZ affect only the device that its IP address was configured to be on
>>> the DMZ, if the device is switched off it does nothing.
>>> If you must use DMZ make sure that the device is configured with static
>>> IP, so that it would not end up assigning another device to the DMZ.
>>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>>>
>>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> sHello all you experts in wi-fi and networking.
>>>> ...well,. sometimes it pays to pre-grovel !
>>>>
>>>> I've asked all this in here before, and I've been told it all before,
>>>> however I have one or two extra questions ?
>>>> I'll try to succinctly describe my hardware and what I want to do.
>>>>
>>>> Main PC, (located outside of my house in my office), with XP Home OEM
>>>> in it, and all up to date.
>>>> Orange Livebox, (also in office), feeds internet into my office PC
>>>> along a rj45 LAN lead.
>>>> ...and Livebox feeds wi-fi internet to Dads' PC in the house, which has
>>>> a Linksys WMP54g pci card in it.
>>>> (not really relevant but - Livebox wi-fi currently switched off)
>>>>
>>>> I also have a (atm unused) Linksys WAG354G (adsl modem/router/wifi), in
>>>> my office)
>>>>
>>>> I want to connect a short rj45 lead from the 2nd rj45 port on the
>>>> Livebox to the Linksys WAG354G, then keep
>>>> wi-fi switched off in the Livebox, and wi-fi switched on in the
>>>> WAG354G. ...so that Dads PC gets its' internet from the WAG354G wi-fi
>>>> router - which in turn gets its' internet connenction from the LAN lead
>>>> with which it's connected to the Livebox 2nd rj45 port.
>>>>
>>>> (which I trialled a while ago, and it all worked but, I got alarmed by
>>>> the DMZ that appeared in the firm/software in the Livebox)
>>>>
>>>> The main reason I want this is so that when Dad wants to use his PC, I
>>>> simply switch on the WAG354G, and when he's finished I can simply
>>>> switch it off. This method also means that I don't have to keep
>>>> switching wi-fi on and off in the Livebox - which won't do its' eeprom
>>>> much good anyway :-) ....Wi-fi in the Livebox can stay permanently
>>>> switched off - meaning that I'm bathed in much less EMF whilst sat in
>>>> the same office with the thing just three feet away. ...now some wise
>>>> crack is gonna pipe up and say, "...next to no EMF whilst there's not
>>>> transceiving going on..." ....well I want wi-fi off in the Livebox !
>>>>
>>>> I digress, ...
>>>>
>>>> With the above set up, in my office, what are the security implications
>>>> of that DMZ which seems to be set in the Livebox ?
>>>> (both adsl/modems/routers have Netword Address Translation in them, and
>>>> both PC's have good software firewalls in them as well).
>>>>
>>>> I think I have to set:-
>>>> LAN IP address to e.g. 192.168.1.1 in Livebox and 192.168.1.2 in
>>>> WAG354G
>>>> Broadcast LAN IP addresss 192.168.1.255
>>>> Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 in both ?
>>>> DHCP Start Address in Livebox is 192.168.1.7 ?
>>>> DHCP Server End address in Livebox is 192.168.1.150
>>>> ...by the way my ISP gives me a dynamic IP address.
>>>>
>>>> ...from previous dabblings I think I have to set a different DHCP
>>>> address range in WAG3545G.
>>>> e.g. 192.168.1.151 - 192.168.1.200 ...is this correct.
>>>>
>>>> Do I have set a DMZ address range so that only ONE address is allocated
>>>> for the WAG354G to access the internet through the Livebox ....does
>>>> that make any sense or am I barking up the wrong tree ?
>>>>
>>>> Does this DMZ open port in the Livebox - which suppplys internet to the
>>>> WAG354G - become visible, or rather accessible by nasties out there on
>>>> the web ? ...dies that also make any sense ?
>>>>
>>>> It's been a couple of months or more since I had a go at this, and last
>>>> time, I almost lost access to the innards of the WAG354G
>>>>
>>>> ...any help most gratefully received.
>>>>
>>>> regards, Richard
>>>
>>>
>>
>

I soooo want this :-
http://www.ezlan.net/network/shield.jpg

regards, Richard


"RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%235L0$(E-Mail Removed)...
> THIS is what I want !!!!
> http://www.ezlan.net/shield.html
>
> ..but, I want a "blow by blow" account on how to do it, including how to
> set all those address ranges in my Livebox and WAG354G !! :-( :-)
>
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> ..rather http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html :-)
>> ...here I go again
>>
>> regards, Richard
>>
>>
>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:%23$SeO$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Thanks Jack,
>>>
>>> I think I understand what you have explained. i.e. my theory that my
>>> WAG354G - if connected to 2nd rj45 port on Livebox and accessing
>>> internet through a DMZ address in the Livebox - would not be a
>>> satisfactory solution !?!
>>> ...back to the drawing board. ...and back to :-
>>> http://www.ezlan.net/basic.html
>>> and http://www.howstuffworks.com/home-network.htm
>>> and http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...07138%2C00.asp etc !
>>>
>>>
>>> regards, Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> Hi
>>>> DMZ is usually feature in Cable/DSL Router that allow to put one
>>>> Network device (computer, or any other stand alone network device) in
>>>> front of the Firewall.
>>>> By doing so all the ports of the device that is on the DMZ are opened
>>>> and nothing obstruct traffic, however the device is sitting on the
>>>> Internet without any protection sharing it content with the world.
>>>> DMZ has to be avoided, in most circumstances ports can be opened as
>>>> needed toward the network device in question, and there is No reason
>>>> for DMZ.
>>>> DMZ affect only the device that its IP address was configured to be on
>>>> the DMZ, if the device is switched off it does nothing.
>>>> If you must use DMZ make sure that the device is configured with static
>>>> IP, so that it would not end up assigning another device to the DMZ.
>>>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>>>>
>>>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>> sHello all you experts in wi-fi and networking.
>>>>> ...well,. sometimes it pays to pre-grovel !
>>>>>
>>>>> I've asked all this in here before, and I've been told it all before,
>>>>> however I have one or two extra questions ?
>>>>> I'll try to succinctly describe my hardware and what I want to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Main PC, (located outside of my house in my office), with XP Home OEM
>>>>> in it, and all up to date.
>>>>> Orange Livebox, (also in office), feeds internet into my office PC
>>>>> along a rj45 LAN lead.
>>>>> ...and Livebox feeds wi-fi internet to Dads' PC in the house, which
>>>>> has a Linksys WMP54g pci card in it.
>>>>> (not really relevant but - Livebox wi-fi currently switched off)
>>>>>
>>>>> I also have a (atm unused) Linksys WAG354G (adsl modem/router/wifi),
>>>>> in my office)
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to connect a short rj45 lead from the 2nd rj45 port on the
>>>>> Livebox to the Linksys WAG354G, then keep
>>>>> wi-fi switched off in the Livebox, and wi-fi switched on in the
>>>>> WAG354G. ...so that Dads PC gets its' internet from the WAG354G wi-fi
>>>>> router - which in turn gets its' internet connenction from the LAN
>>>>> lead with which it's connected to the Livebox 2nd rj45 port.
>>>>>
>>>>> (which I trialled a while ago, and it all worked but, I got alarmed by
>>>>> the DMZ that appeared in the firm/software in the Livebox)
>>>>>
>>>>> The main reason I want this is so that when Dad wants to use his PC, I
>>>>> simply switch on the WAG354G, and when he's finished I can simply
>>>>> switch it off. This method also means that I don't have to keep
>>>>> switching wi-fi on and off in the Livebox - which won't do its' eeprom
>>>>> much good anyway :-) ....Wi-fi in the Livebox can stay permanently
>>>>> switched off - meaning that I'm bathed in much less EMF whilst sat in
>>>>> the same office with the thing just three feet away. ...now some wise
>>>>> crack is gonna pipe up and say, "...next to no EMF whilst there's not
>>>>> transceiving going on..." ....well I want wi-fi off in the Livebox !
>>>>>
>>>>> I digress, ...
>>>>>
>>>>> With the above set up, in my office, what are the security
>>>>> implications of that DMZ which seems to be set in the Livebox ?
>>>>> (both adsl/modems/routers have Netword Address Translation in them,
>>>>> and both PC's have good software firewalls in them as well).
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I have to set:-
>>>>> LAN IP address to e.g. 192.168.1.1 in Livebox and 192.168.1.2 in
>>>>> WAG354G
>>>>> Broadcast LAN IP addresss 192.168.1.255
>>>>> Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 in both ?
>>>>> DHCP Start Address in Livebox is 192.168.1.7 ?
>>>>> DHCP Server End address in Livebox is 192.168.1.150
>>>>> ...by the way my ISP gives me a dynamic IP address.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...from previous dabblings I think I have to set a different DHCP
>>>>> address range in WAG3545G.
>>>>> e.g. 192.168.1.151 - 192.168.1.200 ...is this correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do I have set a DMZ address range so that only ONE address is
>>>>> allocated for the WAG354G to access the internet through the Livebox
>>>>> ....does that make any sense or am I barking up the wrong tree ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this DMZ open port in the Livebox - which suppplys internet to
>>>>> the WAG354G - become visible, or rather accessible by nasties out
>>>>> there on the web ? ...dies that also make any sense ?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's been a couple of months or more since I had a go at this, and
>>>>> last time, I almost lost access to the innards of the WAG354G
>>>>>
>>>>> ...any help most gratefully received.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Hi
I can not make it simpler than what you see ob the page. What specifically
is unclear about the setting?
Jack (MVP-Networking).
"RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>I soooo want this :-
> http://www.ezlan.net/network/shield.jpg
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%235L0$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> THIS is what I want !!!!
>> http://www.ezlan.net/shield.html
>>
>> ..but, I want a "blow by blow" account on how to do it, including how to
>> set all those address ranges in my Livebox and WAG354G !! :-( :-)
>>
>>
>> regards, Richard
>>
>>
>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> ..rather http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html :-)
>>> ...here I go again
>>>
>>> regards, Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:%23$SeO$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> Thanks Jack,
>>>>
>>>> I think I understand what you have explained. i.e. my theory that my
>>>> WAG354G - if connected to 2nd rj45 port on Livebox and accessing
>>>> internet through a DMZ address in the Livebox - would not be a
>>>> satisfactory solution !?!
>>>> ...back to the drawing board. ...and back to :-
>>>> http://www.ezlan.net/basic.html
>>>> and http://www.howstuffworks.com/home-network.htm
>>>> and http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...07138%2C00.asp etc
>>>> !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> DMZ is usually feature in Cable/DSL Router that allow to put one
>>>>> Network device (computer, or any other stand alone network device) in
>>>>> front of the Firewall.
>>>>> By doing so all the ports of the device that is on the DMZ are opened
>>>>> and nothing obstruct traffic, however the device is sitting on the
>>>>> Internet without any protection sharing it content with the world.
>>>>> DMZ has to be avoided, in most circumstances ports can be opened as
>>>>> needed toward the network device in question, and there is No reason
>>>>> for DMZ.
>>>>> DMZ affect only the device that its IP address was configured to be on
>>>>> the DMZ, if the device is switched off it does nothing.
>>>>> If you must use DMZ make sure that the device is configured with
>>>>> static IP, so that it would not end up assigning another device to the
>>>>> DMZ.
>>>>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>>>>>
>>>>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>> sHello all you experts in wi-fi and networking.
>>>>>> ...well,. sometimes it pays to pre-grovel !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've asked all this in here before, and I've been told it all before,
>>>>>> however I have one or two extra questions ?
>>>>>> I'll try to succinctly describe my hardware and what I want to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Main PC, (located outside of my house in my office), with XP Home OEM
>>>>>> in it, and all up to date.
>>>>>> Orange Livebox, (also in office), feeds internet into my office PC
>>>>>> along a rj45 LAN lead.
>>>>>> ...and Livebox feeds wi-fi internet to Dads' PC in the house, which
>>>>>> has a Linksys WMP54g pci card in it.
>>>>>> (not really relevant but - Livebox wi-fi currently switched off)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also have a (atm unused) Linksys WAG354G (adsl modem/router/wifi),
>>>>>> in my office)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to connect a short rj45 lead from the 2nd rj45 port on the
>>>>>> Livebox to the Linksys WAG354G, then keep
>>>>>> wi-fi switched off in the Livebox, and wi-fi switched on in the
>>>>>> WAG354G. ...so that Dads PC gets its' internet from the WAG354G wi-fi
>>>>>> router - which in turn gets its' internet connenction from the LAN
>>>>>> lead with which it's connected to the Livebox 2nd rj45 port.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (which I trialled a while ago, and it all worked but, I got alarmed
>>>>>> by the DMZ that appeared in the firm/software in the Livebox)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The main reason I want this is so that when Dad wants to use his PC,
>>>>>> I simply switch on the WAG354G, and when he's finished I can simply
>>>>>> switch it off. This method also means that I don't have to keep
>>>>>> switching wi-fi on and off in the Livebox - which won't do its'
>>>>>> eeprom much good anyway :-) ....Wi-fi in the Livebox can stay
>>>>>> permanently switched off - meaning that I'm bathed in much less EMF
>>>>>> whilst sat in the same office with the thing just three feet away.
>>>>>> ...now some wise crack is gonna pipe up and say, "...next to no EMF
>>>>>> whilst there's not transceiving going on..." ....well I want wi-fi
>>>>>> off in the Livebox !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I digress, ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With the above set up, in my office, what are the security
>>>>>> implications of that DMZ which seems to be set in the Livebox ?
>>>>>> (both adsl/modems/routers have Netword Address Translation in them,
>>>>>> and both PC's have good software firewalls in them as well).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I have to set:-
>>>>>> LAN IP address to e.g. 192.168.1.1 in Livebox and 192.168.1.2 in
>>>>>> WAG354G
>>>>>> Broadcast LAN IP addresss 192.168.1.255
>>>>>> Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 in both ?
>>>>>> DHCP Start Address in Livebox is 192.168.1.7 ?
>>>>>> DHCP Server End address in Livebox is 192.168.1.150
>>>>>> ...by the way my ISP gives me a dynamic IP address.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...from previous dabblings I think I have to set a different DHCP
>>>>>> address range in WAG3545G.
>>>>>> e.g. 192.168.1.151 - 192.168.1.200 ...is this correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do I have set a DMZ address range so that only ONE address is
>>>>>> allocated for the WAG354G to access the internet through the Livebox
>>>>>> ....does that make any sense or am I barking up the wrong tree ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does this DMZ open port in the Livebox - which suppplys internet to
>>>>>> the WAG354G - become visible, or rather accessible by nasties out
>>>>>> there on the web ? ...dies that also make any sense ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's been a couple of months or more since I had a go at this, and
>>>>>> last time, I almost lost access to the innards of the WAG354G
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...any help most gratefully received.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

PLZ ignore me, I've plodding away at this all evening now, I think I can see
how to do it, but, I just got way-laid by a few hours, (is that how one
spells way-laid ?), by my Inventel Orange Livebox, which collapsed, and I
had to reset it ...and now it's 3:30 am !!

After just a little tweaking, my LAN connection to it started complaining
that it was only partially functional, and hours of digging around and
upsetting almost everything in XP that was working okay beforehand, I
finally tried resetting the Livebox which cured it, and now I've just
knocked my LAN connection etc back into shape, and re-tweaked all my
soft/firm-ware settings in Livebox etc, am off to bed now.

Much thanks for your help.

regards, Richard


"Jack (MVP-Networking)." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi
> I can not make it simpler than what you see ob the page. What specifically
> is unclear about the setting?
> Jack (MVP-Networking).
> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>I soooo want this :-
>> http://www.ezlan.net/network/shield.jpg
>>
>> regards, Richard
>>
>>
>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:%235L0$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> THIS is what I want !!!!
>>> http://www.ezlan.net/shield.html
>>>
>>> ..but, I want a "blow by blow" account on how to do it, including how to
>>> set all those address ranges in my Livebox and WAG354G !! :-( :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> regards, Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> ..rather http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html :-)
>>>> ...here I go again
>>>>
>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23$SeO$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>> Thanks Jack,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I understand what you have explained. i.e. my theory that my
>>>>> WAG354G - if connected to 2nd rj45 port on Livebox and accessing
>>>>> internet through a DMZ address in the Livebox - would not be a
>>>>> satisfactory solution !?!
>>>>> ...back to the drawing board. ...and back to :-
>>>>> http://www.ezlan.net/basic.html
>>>>> and http://www.howstuffworks.com/home-network.htm
>>>>> and http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...07138%2C00.asp etc
>>>>> !
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>> DMZ is usually feature in Cable/DSL Router that allow to put one
>>>>>> Network device (computer, or any other stand alone network device) in
>>>>>> front of the Firewall.
>>>>>> By doing so all the ports of the device that is on the DMZ are opened
>>>>>> and nothing obstruct traffic, however the device is sitting on the
>>>>>> Internet without any protection sharing it content with the world.
>>>>>> DMZ has to be avoided, in most circumstances ports can be opened as
>>>>>> needed toward the network device in question, and there is No reason
>>>>>> for DMZ.
>>>>>> DMZ affect only the device that its IP address was configured to be
>>>>>> on the DMZ, if the device is switched off it does nothing.
>>>>>> If you must use DMZ make sure that the device is configured with
>>>>>> static IP, so that it would not end up assigning another device to
>>>>>> the DMZ.
>>>>>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>>> sHello all you experts in wi-fi and networking.
>>>>>>> ...well,. sometimes it pays to pre-grovel !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've asked all this in here before, and I've been told it all
>>>>>>> before, however I have one or two extra questions ?
>>>>>>> I'll try to succinctly describe my hardware and what I want to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Main PC, (located outside of my house in my office), with XP Home
>>>>>>> OEM in it, and all up to date.
>>>>>>> Orange Livebox, (also in office), feeds internet into my office PC
>>>>>>> along a rj45 LAN lead.
>>>>>>> ...and Livebox feeds wi-fi internet to Dads' PC in the house, which
>>>>>>> has a Linksys WMP54g pci card in it.
>>>>>>> (not really relevant but - Livebox wi-fi currently switched off)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also have a (atm unused) Linksys WAG354G (adsl modem/router/wifi),
>>>>>>> in my office)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to connect a short rj45 lead from the 2nd rj45 port on the
>>>>>>> Livebox to the Linksys WAG354G, then keep
>>>>>>> wi-fi switched off in the Livebox, and wi-fi switched on in the
>>>>>>> WAG354G. ...so that Dads PC gets its' internet from the WAG354G
>>>>>>> wi-fi router - which in turn gets its' internet connenction from the
>>>>>>> LAN lead with which it's connected to the Livebox 2nd rj45 port.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (which I trialled a while ago, and it all worked but, I got alarmed
>>>>>>> by the DMZ that appeared in the firm/software in the Livebox)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The main reason I want this is so that when Dad wants to use his PC,
>>>>>>> I simply switch on the WAG354G, and when he's finished I can simply
>>>>>>> switch it off. This method also means that I don't have to keep
>>>>>>> switching wi-fi on and off in the Livebox - which won't do its'
>>>>>>> eeprom much good anyway :-) ....Wi-fi in the Livebox can stay
>>>>>>> permanently switched off - meaning that I'm bathed in much less EMF
>>>>>>> whilst sat in the same office with the thing just three feet away.
>>>>>>> ...now some wise crack is gonna pipe up and say, "...next to no EMF
>>>>>>> whilst there's not transceiving going on..." ....well I want wi-fi
>>>>>>> off in the Livebox !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I digress, ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With the above set up, in my office, what are the security
>>>>>>> implications of that DMZ which seems to be set in the Livebox ?
>>>>>>> (both adsl/modems/routers have Netword Address Translation in them,
>>>>>>> and both PC's have good software firewalls in them as well).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think I have to set:-
>>>>>>> LAN IP address to e.g. 192.168.1.1 in Livebox and 192.168.1.2 in
>>>>>>> WAG354G
>>>>>>> Broadcast LAN IP addresss 192.168.1.255
>>>>>>> Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 in both ?
>>>>>>> DHCP Start Address in Livebox is 192.168.1.7 ?
>>>>>>> DHCP Server End address in Livebox is 192.168.1.150
>>>>>>> ...by the way my ISP gives me a dynamic IP address.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...from previous dabblings I think I have to set a different DHCP
>>>>>>> address range in WAG3545G.
>>>>>>> e.g. 192.168.1.151 - 192.168.1.200 ...is this correct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do I have set a DMZ address range so that only ONE address is
>>>>>>> allocated for the WAG354G to access the internet through the Livebox
>>>>>>> ....does that make any sense or am I barking up the wrong tree ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does this DMZ open port in the Livebox - which suppplys internet to
>>>>>>> the WAG354G - become visible, or rather accessible by nasties out
>>>>>>> there on the web ? ...dies that also make any sense ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's been a couple of months or more since I had a go at this, and
>>>>>>> last time, I almost lost access to the innards of the WAG354G
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...any help most gratefully received.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Good morning :-)

Unless I've missed it somewhere in www.ezlan.net :-
I gleaned from
http://www.qudon.com/index.php?modul...age&PAGE_id=31
....that Upnp must be on in the 1st or "front adsl modem/router, and DHCP
must be switched off in the second router !

regards, Richard


"RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> PLZ ignore me, I've plodding away at this all evening now, I think I can
> see how to do it, but, I just got way-laid by a few hours, (is that how
> one spells way-laid ?), by my Inventel Orange Livebox, which collapsed,
> and I had to reset it ...and now it's 3:30 am !!
>
> After just a little tweaking, my LAN connection to it started complaining
> that it was only partially functional, and hours of digging around and
> upsetting almost everything in XP that was working okay beforehand, I
> finally tried resetting the Livebox which cured it, and now I've just
> knocked my LAN connection etc back into shape, and re-tweaked all my
> soft/firm-ware settings in Livebox etc, am off to bed now.
>
> Much thanks for your help.
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Hi
>> I can not make it simpler than what you see ob the page. What
>> specifically is unclear about the setting?
>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>I soooo want this :-
>>> http://www.ezlan.net/network/shield.jpg
>>>
>>> regards, Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:%235L0$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> THIS is what I want !!!!
>>>> http://www.ezlan.net/shield.html
>>>>
>>>> ..but, I want a "blow by blow" account on how to do it, including how
>>>> to set all those address ranges in my Livebox and WAG354G !! :-( :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>> ..rather http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html :-)
>>>>> ...here I go again
>>>>>
>>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23$SeO$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>> Thanks Jack,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I understand what you have explained. i.e. my theory that my
>>>>>> WAG354G - if connected to 2nd rj45 port on Livebox and accessing
>>>>>> internet through a DMZ address in the Livebox - would not be a
>>>>>> satisfactory solution !?!
>>>>>> ...back to the drawing board. ...and back to :-
>>>>>> http://www.ezlan.net/basic.html
>>>>>> and http://www.howstuffworks.com/home-network.htm
>>>>>> and http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...07138%2C00.asp
>>>>>> etc !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>> DMZ is usually feature in Cable/DSL Router that allow to put one
>>>>>>> Network device (computer, or any other stand alone network device)
>>>>>>> in front of the Firewall.
>>>>>>> By doing so all the ports of the device that is on the DMZ are
>>>>>>> opened and nothing obstruct traffic, however the device is sitting
>>>>>>> on the Internet without any protection sharing it content with the
>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>> DMZ has to be avoided, in most circumstances ports can be opened as
>>>>>>> needed toward the network device in question, and there is No
>>>>>>> reason for DMZ.
>>>>>>> DMZ affect only the device that its IP address was configured to be
>>>>>>> on the DMZ, if the device is switched off it does nothing.
>>>>>>> If you must use DMZ make sure that the device is configured with
>>>>>>> static IP, so that it would not end up assigning another device to
>>>>>>> the DMZ.
>>>>>>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>>>> sHello all you experts in wi-fi and networking.
>>>>>>>> ...well,. sometimes it pays to pre-grovel !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've asked all this in here before, and I've been told it all
>>>>>>>> before, however I have one or two extra questions ?
>>>>>>>> I'll try to succinctly describe my hardware and what I want to do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Main PC, (located outside of my house in my office), with XP Home
>>>>>>>> OEM in it, and all up to date.
>>>>>>>> Orange Livebox, (also in office), feeds internet into my office PC
>>>>>>>> along a rj45 LAN lead.
>>>>>>>> ...and Livebox feeds wi-fi internet to Dads' PC in the house, which
>>>>>>>> has a Linksys WMP54g pci card in it.
>>>>>>>> (not really relevant but - Livebox wi-fi currently switched off)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also have a (atm unused) Linksys WAG354G (adsl
>>>>>>>> modem/router/wifi), in my office)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I want to connect a short rj45 lead from the 2nd rj45 port on the
>>>>>>>> Livebox to the Linksys WAG354G, then keep
>>>>>>>> wi-fi switched off in the Livebox, and wi-fi switched on in the
>>>>>>>> WAG354G. ...so that Dads PC gets its' internet from the WAG354G
>>>>>>>> wi-fi router - which in turn gets its' internet connenction from
>>>>>>>> the LAN lead with which it's connected to the Livebox 2nd rj45
>>>>>>>> port.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (which I trialled a while ago, and it all worked but, I got alarmed
>>>>>>>> by the DMZ that appeared in the firm/software in the Livebox)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The main reason I want this is so that when Dad wants to use his
>>>>>>>> PC, I simply switch on the WAG354G, and when he's finished I can
>>>>>>>> simply switch it off. This method also means that I don't have to
>>>>>>>> keep switching wi-fi on and off in the Livebox - which won't do
>>>>>>>> its' eeprom much good anyway :-) ....Wi-fi in the Livebox can stay
>>>>>>>> permanently switched off - meaning that I'm bathed in much less EMF
>>>>>>>> whilst sat in the same office with the thing just three feet away.
>>>>>>>> ...now some wise crack is gonna pipe up and say, "...next to no EMF
>>>>>>>> whilst there's not transceiving going on..." ....well I want wi-fi
>>>>>>>> off in the Livebox !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I digress, ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With the above set up, in my office, what are the security
>>>>>>>> implications of that DMZ which seems to be set in the Livebox ?
>>>>>>>> (both adsl/modems/routers have Netword Address Translation in them,
>>>>>>>> and both PC's have good software firewalls in them as well).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think I have to set:-
>>>>>>>> LAN IP address to e.g. 192.168.1.1 in Livebox and 192.168.1.2 in
>>>>>>>> WAG354G
>>>>>>>> Broadcast LAN IP addresss 192.168.1.255
>>>>>>>> Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 in both ?
>>>>>>>> DHCP Start Address in Livebox is 192.168.1.7 ?
>>>>>>>> DHCP Server End address in Livebox is 192.168.1.150
>>>>>>>> ...by the way my ISP gives me a dynamic IP address.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...from previous dabblings I think I have to set a different DHCP
>>>>>>>> address range in WAG3545G.
>>>>>>>> e.g. 192.168.1.151 - 192.168.1.200 ...is this correct.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do I have set a DMZ address range so that only ONE address is
>>>>>>>> allocated for the WAG354G to access the internet through the
>>>>>>>> Livebox ....does that make any sense or am I barking up the wrong
>>>>>>>> tree ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does this DMZ open port in the Livebox - which suppplys internet to
>>>>>>>> the WAG354G - become visible, or rather accessible by nasties out
>>>>>>>> there on the web ? ...dies that also make any sense ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's been a couple of months or more since I had a go at this, and
>>>>>>>> last time, I almost lost access to the innards of the WAG354G
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...any help most gratefully received.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

It seems that the only way I can sensibly connect this Livebox and Linksys
WAG354G together, (needing to keep the Liveboxes' VOIP telephone
working -i.e. VOIP will not work with the WAG354 as the "front"
adsl/modem/router supplying internet to the Livebox), is to have the
Inventel Livebox/adsl modem/Router as the "Cable/DSL Modem at the "front"
(adsl line plugged into it), and a short rj45 lead from it - to my WAG354G
and my Office PC connected by rj45 lead to the WAG354G which is now, I
suppose, acting as a "shield" router ! :-)

re: the above hardware arrangement, (seeing that Upnp and DHCP appear to
have to be switched off in the 2nd / "shield" router ...as it is connected
atm), it would probably be very difficult for me to get wi-fi working in the
WAG354G without DHCP, what with my vast knowledge of dns no's / /Static IP
addresses and "tunnelling 'n'all !! ...and having the routers connected
this way around, and trying to use wireless on the WAG354G would of course
defeat the object of having two routers connected to get the shielding
effect on the 2nd router ....which supplies internet to my main PC on rj45
lead ....phew !!!

So I think I'll leave them as they are for a while, and just switch on
wireless in Livebox for Dad's PC when he needs to use it !
....but, it would have been so nice to have the Linksys as the "front"
adsl/modem/router.
....anyway thanks muchly for your help, ...in the past as well.

regards, Richard


"RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Good morning :-)
>
> Unless I've missed it somewhere in www.ezlan.net :-
> I gleaned from
> http://www.qudon.com/index.php?modul...age&PAGE_id=31
> ...that Upnp must be on in the 1st or "front adsl modem/router, and DHCP
> must be switched off in the second router !
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> PLZ ignore me, I've plodding away at this all evening now, I think I can
>> see how to do it, but, I just got way-laid by a few hours, (is that how
>> one spells way-laid ?), by my Inventel Orange Livebox, which collapsed,
>> and I had to reset it ...and now it's 3:30 am !!
>>
>> After just a little tweaking, my LAN connection to it started complaining
>> that it was only partially functional, and hours of digging around and
>> upsetting almost everything in XP that was working okay beforehand, I
>> finally tried resetting the Livebox which cured it, and now I've just
>> knocked my LAN connection etc back into shape, and re-tweaked all my
>> soft/firm-ware settings in Livebox etc, am off to bed now.
>>
>> Much thanks for your help.
>>
>> regards, Richard
>>
>>
>> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>> Hi
>>> I can not make it simpler than what you see ob the page. What
>>> specifically is unclear about the setting?
>>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>I soooo want this :-
>>>> http://www.ezlan.net/network/shield.jpg
>>>>
>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>>>> THIS is what I want !!!!
>>>>> http://www.ezlan.net/shield.html
>>>>>
>>>>> ..but, I want a "blow by blow" account on how to do it, including how
>>>>> to set all those address ranges in my Livebox and WAG354G !! :-( :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>> ..rather http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html :-)
>>>>>> ...here I go again
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>>>>>> Thanks Jack,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think I understand what you have explained. i.e. my theory that
>>>>>>> my WAG354G - if connected to 2nd rj45 port on Livebox and accessing
>>>>>>> internet through a DMZ address in the Livebox - would not be a
>>>>>>> satisfactory solution !?!
>>>>>>> ...back to the drawing board. ...and back to :-
>>>>>>> http://www.ezlan.net/basic.html
>>>>>>> and http://www.howstuffworks.com/home-network.htm
>>>>>>> and http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...07138%2C00.asp
>>>>>>> etc !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jack (MVP-Networking)." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>> DMZ is usually feature in Cable/DSL Router that allow to put one
>>>>>>>> Network device (computer, or any other stand alone network device)
>>>>>>>> in front of the Firewall.
>>>>>>>> By doing so all the ports of the device that is on the DMZ are
>>>>>>>> opened and nothing obstruct traffic, however the device is sitting
>>>>>>>> on the Internet without any protection sharing it content with the
>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>> DMZ has to be avoided, in most circumstances ports can be opened as
>>>>>>>> needed toward the network device in question, and there is No
>>>>>>>> reason for DMZ.
>>>>>>>> DMZ affect only the device that its IP address was configured to be
>>>>>>>> on the DMZ, if the device is switched off it does nothing.
>>>>>>>> If you must use DMZ make sure that the device is configured with
>>>>>>>> static IP, so that it would not end up assigning another device to
>>>>>>>> the DMZ.
>>>>>>>> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>>>>> sHello all you experts in wi-fi and networking.
>>>>>>>>> ...well,. sometimes it pays to pre-grovel !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've asked all this in here before, and I've been told it all
>>>>>>>>> before, however I have one or two extra questions ?
>>>>>>>>> I'll try to succinctly describe my hardware and what I want to do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Main PC, (located outside of my house in my office), with XP Home
>>>>>>>>> OEM in it, and all up to date.
>>>>>>>>> Orange Livebox, (also in office), feeds internet into my office PC
>>>>>>>>> along a rj45 LAN lead.
>>>>>>>>> ...and Livebox feeds wi-fi internet to Dads' PC in the house,
>>>>>>>>> which has a Linksys WMP54g pci card in it.
>>>>>>>>> (not really relevant but - Livebox wi-fi currently switched off)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I also have a (atm unused) Linksys WAG354G (adsl
>>>>>>>>> modem/router/wifi), in my office)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I want to connect a short rj45 lead from the 2nd rj45 port on the
>>>>>>>>> Livebox to the Linksys WAG354G, then keep
>>>>>>>>> wi-fi switched off in the Livebox, and wi-fi switched on in the
>>>>>>>>> WAG354G. ...so that Dads PC gets its' internet from the WAG354G
>>>>>>>>> wi-fi router - which in turn gets its' internet connenction from
>>>>>>>>> the LAN lead with which it's connected to the Livebox 2nd rj45
>>>>>>>>> port.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (which I trialled a while ago, and it all worked but, I got
>>>>>>>>> alarmed by the DMZ that appeared in the firm/software in the
>>>>>>>>> Livebox)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The main reason I want this is so that when Dad wants to use his
>>>>>>>>> PC, I simply switch on the WAG354G, and when he's finished I can
>>>>>>>>> simply switch it off. This method also means that I don't have to
>>>>>>>>> keep switching wi-fi on and off in the Livebox - which won't do
>>>>>>>>> its' eeprom much good anyway :-) ....Wi-fi in the Livebox can stay
>>>>>>>>> permanently switched off - meaning that I'm bathed in much less
>>>>>>>>> EMF whilst sat in the same office with the thing just three feet
>>>>>>>>> away. ...now some wise crack is gonna pipe up and say, "...next to
>>>>>>>>> no EMF whilst there's not transceiving going on..." ....well I
>>>>>>>>> want wi-fi off in the Livebox !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I digress, ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With the above set up, in my office, what are the security
>>>>>>>>> implications of that DMZ which seems to be set in the Livebox ?
>>>>>>>>> (both adsl/modems/routers have Netword Address Translation in
>>>>>>>>> them, and both PC's have good software firewalls in them as well).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think I have to set:-
>>>>>>>>> LAN IP address to e.g. 192.168.1.1 in Livebox and 192.168.1.2 in
>>>>>>>>> WAG354G
>>>>>>>>> Broadcast LAN IP addresss 192.168.1.255
>>>>>>>>> Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0 in both ?
>>>>>>>>> DHCP Start Address in Livebox is 192.168.1.7 ?
>>>>>>>>> DHCP Server End address in Livebox is 192.168.1.150
>>>>>>>>> ...by the way my ISP gives me a dynamic IP address.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...from previous dabblings I think I have to set a different DHCP
>>>>>>>>> address range in WAG3545G.
>>>>>>>>> e.g. 192.168.1.151 - 192.168.1.200 ...is this correct.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do I have set a DMZ address range so that only ONE address is
>>>>>>>>> allocated for the WAG354G to access the internet through the
>>>>>>>>> Livebox ....does that make any sense or am I barking up the wrong
>>>>>>>>> tree ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does this DMZ open port in the Livebox - which suppplys internet
>>>>>>>>> to the WAG354G - become visible, or rather accessible by nasties
>>>>>>>>> out there on the web ? ...dies that also make any sense ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's been a couple of months or more since I had a go at this, and
>>>>>>>>> last time, I almost lost access to the innards of the WAG354G
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...any help most gratefully received.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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