Dodgy Virgin Media Set-top Box

I understand that you can buy a set-top box with a PVR which will just
plug in to a Virgin Media cable - ie it replaces your existing box.

However, when you come to use it you may observe that it receives (and
can record if you wish) all channels (including the pay to view
channels) and makes them available to you free of charge.

I assume this break the Ts&Cs of your contract with VM and they could
terminate your contract/pull the plug - but could they do more than
this?

"judith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>I understand that you can buy a set-top box with a PVR which will just
> plug in to a Virgin Media cable - ie it replaces your existing box.
>
> However, when you come to use it you may observe that it receives (and
> can record if you wish) all channels (including the pay to view
> channels) and makes them available to you free of charge.
>
> I assume this break the Ts&Cs of your contract with VM and they could
> terminate your contract/pull the plug - but could they do more than
> this?
>

It sounds like theft to me.

judith wrote:

> I understand that you can buy a set-top box with a PVR which will just
> plug in to a Virgin Media cable - ie it replaces your existing box.
>
> However, when you come to use it you may observe that it receives (and
> can record if you wish) all channels (including the pay to view
> channels) and makes them available to you free of charge.
>
> I assume this break the Ts&Cs of your contract with VM and they could
> terminate your contract/pull the plug - but could they do more than
> this?
>

Yes you could be charged with theft

They are likely to share the infomation with other providers so that
thiers a high probablity that you wont get service off other suppliers

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"Ray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:l%Ihj.8062$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> "judith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>I understand that you can buy a set-top box with a PVR which will just
>> plug in to a Virgin Media cable - ie it replaces your existing box.
>>
>> However, when you come to use it you may observe that it receives (and
>> can record if you wish) all channels (including the pay to view
>> channels) and makes them available to you free of charge.
>>
>> I assume this break the Ts&Cs of your contract with VM and they could
>> terminate your contract/pull the plug - but could they do more than
>> this?
>>
>
> It sounds like theft to me.

What property is being appropriated, bearing in mind Oxford v Moss?

Janitor of Lunacy wrote:

>
> "Ray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:l%Ihj.8062$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> >"judith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > I understand that you can buy a set-top box with a PVR which will
> > > just plug in to a Virgin Media cable - ie it replaces your
> > > existing box.
> > >
> > > However, when you come to use it you may observe that it receives
> > > (and can record if you wish) all channels (including the pay to
> > > view channels) and makes them available to you free of charge.
> > >
> > > I assume this break the Ts&Cs of your contract with VM and they
> > > could terminate your contract/pull the plug - but could they do
> > > more than this?
> > >
> >
> > It sounds like theft to me.
>
> What property is being appropriated, bearing in mind Oxford v Moss?

Airtime and bandwidth

They will probably go down the fraud path though

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> "Ray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:l%Ihj.8062$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>> "judith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>I understand that you can buy a set-top box with a PVR which will just
>>> plug in to a Virgin Media cable - ie it replaces your existing box.
>>>
>>> However, when you come to use it you may observe that it receives (and
>>> can record if you wish) all channels (including the pay to view
>>> channels) and makes them available to you free of charge.
>>>
>>> I assume this break the Ts&Cs of your contract with VM and they could
>>> terminate your contract/pull the plug - but could they do more than
>>> this?
>>>
>>
>> It sounds like theft to me.
>
> What property is being appropriated, bearing in mind Oxford v Moss?
They will think of something won't they?
Phone phreakers used to be charged with "stealing Post Office electricity"



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Graham

%Profound_observation%

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:08:49 GMT, "Ray" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>
>"judith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed).. .
>>I understand that you can buy a set-top box with a PVR which will just
>> plug in to a Virgin Media cable - ie it replaces your existing box.
>>
>> However, when you come to use it you may observe that it receives (and
>> can record if you wish) all channels (including the pay to view
>> channels) and makes them available to you free of charge.
>>
>> I assume this break the Ts&Cs of your contract with VM and they could
>> terminate your contract/pull the plug - but could they do more than
>> this?
>>
>
>It sounds like theft to me.
>
of?

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:45:03 GMT, "steve robinson"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>judith wrote:
>
>> I understand that you can buy a set-top box with a PVR which will just
>> plug in to a Virgin Media cable - ie it replaces your existing box.
>>
>> However, when you come to use it you may observe that it receives (and
>> can record if you wish) all channels (including the pay to view
>> channels) and makes them available to you free of charge.
>>
>> I assume this break the Ts&Cs of your contract with VM and they could
>> terminate your contract/pull the plug - but could they do more than
>> this?
>>
>
>Yes you could be charged with theft
>
>They are likely to share the infomation with other providers so that
>thiers a high probablity that you wont get service off other suppliers


Do you really believe that - or is it an industry scare story? - do
you work for VM?

Do you have any evidence of this action ever being carried out?

VM's loss is Sky's gain.

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:21:20 GMT, "steve robinson"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Janitor of Lunacy wrote:
>
>>
>> "Ray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:l%Ihj.8062$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >
>> >"judith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > > I understand that you can buy a set-top box with a PVR which will
>> > > just plug in to a Virgin Media cable - ie it replaces your
>> > > existing box.
>> > >
>> > > However, when you come to use it you may observe that it receives
>> > > (and can record if you wish) all channels (including the pay to
>> > > view channels) and makes them available to you free of charge.
>> > >
>> > > I assume this break the Ts&Cs of your contract with VM and they
>> > > could terminate your contract/pull the plug - but could they do
>> > > more than this?
>> > >
>> >
>> > It sounds like theft to me.
>>
>> What property is being appropriated, bearing in mind Oxford v Moss?
>
>Airtime and bandwidth
>


Can't see it - they have not "lost" anything. They do not have to
pump more down the cable as a result of what you have done.

Is it actually fraud?

"judith" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:45:03 GMT, "steve robinson"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>judith wrote:
>>
>>> I understand that you can buy a set-top box with a PVR which will just
>>> plug in to a Virgin Media cable - ie it replaces your existing box.
>>>
>>> However, when you come to use it you may observe that it receives (and
>>> can record if you wish) all channels (including the pay to view
>>> channels) and makes them available to you free of charge.
>>>
>>> I assume this break the Ts&Cs of your contract with VM and they could
>>> terminate your contract/pull the plug - but could they do more than
>>> this?
>>>
>>
>>Yes you could be charged with theft
>>
>>They are likely to share the infomation with other providers so that
>>thiers a high probablity that you wont get service off other suppliers
>
>
> Do you really believe that - or is it an industry scare story? - do
> you work for VM?
>
> Do you have any evidence of this action ever being carried out?
>
> VM's loss is Sky's gain.

It's just a rumour. VM do not talk to any other provider. They can't under
the DPA.