How do I share my adsl line to 2 routers ?

I want to "split" or share my adsl line between two routers ! I've been
digging on the web and apparantly I need a "switch" that somehow shares
something (my adsl line) ! ...see how much I've learnt !!!

The longish story is that the hardware I have doesn't seem to be flexible
enough, (plus I don't like the Orange Livebox adsl/modem/router+wireless g
with WEP/WPA because the inadequate firmware in the router seems to have
been purposely designed to keep anything that looks remotely technical
hidden form the user, e.g. I can't select AES over TKIP in it etc. I can't
easily match the "master" wireless settings in the Orange Live box with
those of a Linksys WMP54G pci wireless g card, that's in Dad's PC in the
house, because in the Orange firmware they're simply not made available, or
called something else ! Even the firewall has four novice "level" settings
instead of proper controls like in the Linksys, and it seems that different
manufacturers give different names and labels to the same things! I have to
"trial and error" to match wireless settings on in Dads' PC - fortunately
there are more comprehensive and flexible settings in the Linksys pci card
software. Also, some sort of design fault in the Orange Livebox means that
people who have one, can no longer access their free Orange webspace,
(they're aware of this and claim to be looking into it). Not that I ever
use my website for much but, I like to try and have a short practice every
few weeks. ....I digress....

The Orange Livebox has the normal rj11 plug-hole into which one plugs the
adsl signal, and an additional rj11 plug hole into which one plugs an
ordinary 'phone, in order to make use of the free Orange VOIP 'phone calls
that start with 01 or 02 , a hardware facility that is of course not present
on my Linksys WAG354G adsl/modem/router+wireless g, and one that I want to
keep and use.
....so I want to use both routers so that I can use the free VOIP 'phone call
facility on the Orange Live box, and use my Linksys for broadband sent to my
PC on rj45 lead and wirelessly to Dads' PC in the house ! (I use DECT
digital cordless phones to get the "free" VOIP phone calls into the house).

.....any idea how I can use both routers at once, and/or what else I need to
buy ?

regards, Richard

Hi
In order to split between two Routers you need an ISP account that allows
two independent external IPs.
You then connect a switch to the Modem, plug the two Routers to the switch
and each Router gets its own WAN IP.
Otherwise you can try to disable the Wireless on you current device, buy a
Good Wireless Router and use it as an Access Point.
http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html
Or create a segregated Network for the Wireless,
http://www.ezlan.net/shield.html
Jack (MVP-Networking).

"RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:eFXnY%(E-Mail Removed)...
>I want to "split" or share my adsl line between two routers ! I've been
>digging on the web and apparantly I need a "switch" that somehow shares
>something (my adsl line) ! ...see how much I've learnt !!!
>
> The longish story is that the hardware I have doesn't seem to be flexible
> enough, (plus I don't like the Orange Livebox adsl/modem/router+wireless g
> with WEP/WPA because the inadequate firmware in the router seems to have
> been purposely designed to keep anything that looks remotely technical
> hidden form the user, e.g. I can't select AES over TKIP in it etc. I
> can't easily match the "master" wireless settings in the Orange Live box
> with those of a Linksys WMP54G pci wireless g card, that's in Dad's PC in
> the house, because in the Orange firmware they're simply not made
> available, or called something else ! Even the firewall has four novice
> "level" settings instead of proper controls like in the Linksys, and it
> seems that different manufacturers give different names and labels to the
> same things! I have to "trial and error" to match wireless settings on in
> Dads' PC - fortunately there are more comprehensive and flexible settings
> in the Linksys pci card software. Also, some sort of design fault in the
> Orange Livebox means that people who have one, can no longer access their
> free Orange webspace, (they're aware of this and claim to be looking into
> it). Not that I ever use my website for much but, I like to try and have
> a short practice every few weeks. ....I digress....
>
> The Orange Livebox has the normal rj11 plug-hole into which one plugs the
> adsl signal, and an additional rj11 plug hole into which one plugs an
> ordinary 'phone, in order to make use of the free Orange VOIP 'phone calls
> that start with 01 or 02 , a hardware facility that is of course not
> present on my Linksys WAG354G adsl/modem/router+wireless g, and one that I
> want to keep and use.
> ...so I want to use both routers so that I can use the free VOIP 'phone
> call facility on the Orange Live box, and use my Linksys for broadband
> sent to my PC on rj45 lead and wirelessly to Dads' PC in the house ! (I
> use DECT digital cordless phones to get the "free" VOIP phone calls into
> the house).
>
> ....any idea how I can use both routers at once, and/or what else I need
> to buy ?
>
> regards, Richard

Thanks Jack,

I'll be "having a go" at this soon :-)

regards, Richard


"Jack (MVP-Networking)." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi
> In order to split between two Routers you need an ISP account that allows
> two independent external IPs.
> You then connect a switch to the Modem, plug the two Routers to the switch
> and each Router gets its own WAN IP.
> Otherwise you can try to disable the Wireless on you current device, buy a
> Good Wireless Router and use it as an Access Point.
> http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html
> Or create a segregated Network for the Wireless,
> http://www.ezlan.net/shield.html
> Jack (MVP-Networking).
>
> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:eFXnY%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>I want to "split" or share my adsl line between two routers ! I've been
>>digging on the web and apparantly I need a "switch" that somehow shares
>>something (my adsl line) ! ...see how much I've learnt !!!
>>
>> The longish story is that the hardware I have doesn't seem to be
>> flexible enough, (plus I don't like the Orange Livebox
>> adsl/modem/router+wireless g with WEP/WPA because the inadequate firmware
>> in the router seems to have been purposely designed to keep anything that
>> looks remotely technical hidden form the user, e.g. I can't select AES
>> over TKIP in it etc. I can't easily match the "master" wireless settings
>> in the Orange Live box with those of a Linksys WMP54G pci wireless g
>> card, that's in Dad's PC in the house, because in the Orange firmware
>> they're simply not made available, or called something else ! Even the
>> firewall has four novice "level" settings instead of proper controls like
>> in the Linksys, and it seems that different manufacturers give different
>> names and labels to the same things! I have to "trial and error" to
>> match wireless settings on in Dads' PC - fortunately there are more
>> comprehensive and flexible settings in the Linksys pci card software.
>> Also, some sort of design fault in the Orange Livebox means that people
>> who have one, can no longer access their free Orange webspace, (they're
>> aware of this and claim to be looking into it). Not that I ever use my
>> website for much but, I like to try and have a short practice every few
>> weeks. ....I digress....
>>
>> The Orange Livebox has the normal rj11 plug-hole into which one plugs the
>> adsl signal, and an additional rj11 plug hole into which one plugs an
>> ordinary 'phone, in order to make use of the free Orange VOIP 'phone
>> calls that start with 01 or 02 , a hardware facility that is of course
>> not present on my Linksys WAG354G adsl/modem/router+wireless g, and one
>> that I want to keep and use.
>> ...so I want to use both routers so that I can use the free VOIP 'phone
>> call facility on the Orange Live box, and use my Linksys for broadband
>> sent to my PC on rj45 lead and wirelessly to Dads' PC in the house ! (I
>> use DECT digital cordless phones to get the "free" VOIP phone calls into
>> the house).
>>
>> ....any idea how I can use both routers at once, and/or what else I need
>> to buy ?
>>
>> regards, Richard
>
>

Thanks "Frazer,"

I think I see what you mean ;-)

I'm guessing that I have to use cross-over lan lead, ...and that I have to
change one of the Gateway addresses, they're both 192.168.1.1 atm.
....this all seems a bit similar to http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html that
Jack hyperlinked me on this thread !

....I've never got grips with networking in 25+years working on micros !
....always avoided networks.

....I suspect I'm in for some fun with this attempt.

regards, Richard


"Frazer Jolly Goodfellow" <no-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Xns98AFD04497E42frz@80.5.182.99...
> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> news:eFXnY#(E-Mail Removed):
>
>> I want to "split" or share my adsl line between two routers !
>> I've been digging on the web and apparantly I need a "switch"
>> that somehow shares something (my adsl line) ! ...see how much
>> I've learnt !!!
>>
>> The longish story is that the hardware I have doesn't seem to
>> be flexible enough, (plus I don't like the Orange Livebox
>> adsl/modem/router+wireless g with WEP/WPA because the inadequate
>> firmware in the router seems to have been purposely designed to
>> keep anything that looks remotely technical hidden form the
>> user, e.g. I can't select AES over TKIP in it etc. I can't
>> easily match the "master" wireless settings in the Orange Live
>> box with those of a Linksys WMP54G pci wireless g card, that's
>> in Dad's PC in the house, because in the Orange firmware they're
>> simply not made available, or called something else ! Even the
>> firewall has four novice "level" settings instead of proper
>> controls like in the Linksys, and it seems that different
>> manufacturers give different names and labels to the same
>> things! I have to "trial and error" to match wireless settings
>> on in Dads' PC - fortunately there are more comprehensive and
>> flexible settings in the Linksys pci card software. Also, some
>> sort of design fault in the Orange Livebox means that people who
>> have one, can no longer access their free Orange webspace,
>> (they're aware of this and claim to be looking into it). Not
>> that I ever use my website for much but, I like to try and have
>> a short practice every few weeks. ....I digress....
>>
>> The Orange Livebox has the normal rj11 plug-hole into which one
>> plugs the adsl signal, and an additional rj11 plug hole into
>> which one plugs an ordinary 'phone, in order to make use of the
>> free Orange VOIP 'phone calls that start with 01 or 02 , a
>> hardware facility that is of course not present on my Linksys
>> WAG354G adsl/modem/router+wireless g, and one that I want to
>> keep and use. ...so I want to use both routers so that I can use
>> the free VOIP 'phone call facility on the Orange Live box, and
>> use my Linksys for broadband sent to my PC on rj45 lead and
>> wirelessly to Dads' PC in the house ! (I use DECT digital
>> cordless phones to get the "free" VOIP phone calls into the
>> house).
>>
>> ....any idea how I can use both routers at once, and/or what
>> else I need to buy ?
>>
>> regards, Richard
>>
>
> Disable WiFi on the Orange Livebox.
> Disable DHCP on the Linksys WAG354G.
> Connect a UTP patch cable between the two.
>
> That way you are using the Livebox as the broadband router and VOIP
> gateway, and the WAG354G as a WiFi access point/Ethernet switch,
> with no special ISP account or equipment needed.

RJK wrote:
> Thanks "Frazer,"
>
> I think I see what you mean ;-)
>
> I'm guessing that I have to use cross-over lan lead, ...and that I have
> to change one of the Gateway addresses, they're both 192.168.1.1 atm.
> ...this all seems a bit similar to http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html
> that Jack hyperlinked me on this thread !
>
> ...I've never got grips with networking in 25+years working on micros !
> ...always avoided networks.
>
> ...I suspect I'm in for some fun with this attempt.
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "Frazer Jolly Goodfellow" <no-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:Xns98AFD04497E42frz@80.5.182.99...
>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> news:eFXnY#(E-Mail Removed):
>>
>>> I want to "split" or share my adsl line between two routers !
>>> I've been digging on the web and apparantly I need a "switch"
>>> that somehow shares something (my adsl line) ! ...see how much
>>> I've learnt !!!
>>>
>>> The longish story is that the hardware I have doesn't seem to
>>> be flexible enough, (plus I don't like the Orange Livebox
>>> adsl/modem/router+wireless g with WEP/WPA because the inadequate
>>> firmware in the router seems to have been purposely designed to
>>> keep anything that looks remotely technical hidden form the
>>> user, e.g. I can't select AES over TKIP in it etc. I can't
>>> easily match the "master" wireless settings in the Orange Live
>>> box with those of a Linksys WMP54G pci wireless g card, that's
>>> in Dad's PC in the house, because in the Orange firmware they're
>>> simply not made available, or called something else ! Even the
>>> firewall has four novice "level" settings instead of proper
>>> controls like in the Linksys, and it seems that different
>>> manufacturers give different names and labels to the same
>>> things! I have to "trial and error" to match wireless settings
>>> on in Dads' PC - fortunately there are more comprehensive and
>>> flexible settings in the Linksys pci card software. Also, some
>>> sort of design fault in the Orange Livebox means that people who
>>> have one, can no longer access their free Orange webspace,
>>> (they're aware of this and claim to be looking into it). Not
>>> that I ever use my website for much but, I like to try and have
>>> a short practice every few weeks. ....I digress....
>>>
>>> The Orange Livebox has the normal rj11 plug-hole into which one
>>> plugs the adsl signal, and an additional rj11 plug hole into
>>> which one plugs an ordinary 'phone, in order to make use of the
>>> free Orange VOIP 'phone calls that start with 01 or 02 , a
>>> hardware facility that is of course not present on my Linksys
>>> WAG354G adsl/modem/router+wireless g, and one that I want to
>>> keep and use. ...so I want to use both routers so that I can use
>>> the free VOIP 'phone call facility on the Orange Live box, and
>>> use my Linksys for broadband sent to my PC on rj45 lead and
>>> wirelessly to Dads' PC in the house ! (I use DECT digital
>>> cordless phones to get the "free" VOIP phone calls into the
>>> house).
>>>
>>> ....any idea how I can use both routers at once, and/or what
>>> else I need to buy ?
>>>
>>> regards, Richard
>>>
>>
>> Disable WiFi on the Orange Livebox.
>> Disable DHCP on the Linksys WAG354G.
>> Connect a UTP patch cable between the two.
>>
>> That way you are using the Livebox as the broadband router and VOIP
>> gateway, and the WAG354G as a WiFi access point/Ethernet switch,
>> with no special ISP account or equipment needed.
>

Check the specs for the Linksys device. Many of them have "Auto-Cross
Over (MDI/MDI-X)" ports so you may not actually need a cross-over cable.

--
Lem MS MVP -- Networking

To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer

Thanx LEM, will bear that in mind.
I'm looking forwards to this, too tired to get on and tackle it now, will
try tommorrow,

regards, Richard


"Lem" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> RJK wrote:
>> Thanks "Frazer,"
>>
>> I think I see what you mean ;-)
>>
>> I'm guessing that I have to use cross-over lan lead, ...and that I have
>> to change one of the Gateway addresses, they're both 192.168.1.1 atm.
>> ...this all seems a bit similar to http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html
>> that Jack hyperlinked me on this thread !
>>
>> ...I've never got grips with networking in 25+years working on micros !
>> ...always avoided networks.
>>
>> ...I suspect I'm in for some fun with this attempt.
>>
>> regards, Richard
>>
>>
>> "Frazer Jolly Goodfellow" <no-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:Xns98AFD04497E42frz@80.5.182.99...
>>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>>> news:eFXnY#(E-Mail Removed):
>>>
>>>> I want to "split" or share my adsl line between two routers !
>>>> I've been digging on the web and apparantly I need a "switch"
>>>> that somehow shares something (my adsl line) ! ...see how much
>>>> I've learnt !!!
>>>>
>>>> The longish story is that the hardware I have doesn't seem to
>>>> be flexible enough, (plus I don't like the Orange Livebox
>>>> adsl/modem/router+wireless g with WEP/WPA because the inadequate
>>>> firmware in the router seems to have been purposely designed to
>>>> keep anything that looks remotely technical hidden form the
>>>> user, e.g. I can't select AES over TKIP in it etc. I can't
>>>> easily match the "master" wireless settings in the Orange Live
>>>> box with those of a Linksys WMP54G pci wireless g card, that's
>>>> in Dad's PC in the house, because in the Orange firmware they're
>>>> simply not made available, or called something else ! Even the
>>>> firewall has four novice "level" settings instead of proper
>>>> controls like in the Linksys, and it seems that different
>>>> manufacturers give different names and labels to the same
>>>> things! I have to "trial and error" to match wireless settings
>>>> on in Dads' PC - fortunately there are more comprehensive and
>>>> flexible settings in the Linksys pci card software. Also, some
>>>> sort of design fault in the Orange Livebox means that people who
>>>> have one, can no longer access their free Orange webspace,
>>>> (they're aware of this and claim to be looking into it). Not
>>>> that I ever use my website for much but, I like to try and have
>>>> a short practice every few weeks. ....I digress....
>>>>
>>>> The Orange Livebox has the normal rj11 plug-hole into which one
>>>> plugs the adsl signal, and an additional rj11 plug hole into
>>>> which one plugs an ordinary 'phone, in order to make use of the
>>>> free Orange VOIP 'phone calls that start with 01 or 02 , a
>>>> hardware facility that is of course not present on my Linksys
>>>> WAG354G adsl/modem/router+wireless g, and one that I want to
>>>> keep and use. ...so I want to use both routers so that I can use
>>>> the free VOIP 'phone call facility on the Orange Live box, and
>>>> use my Linksys for broadband sent to my PC on rj45 lead and
>>>> wirelessly to Dads' PC in the house ! (I use DECT digital
>>>> cordless phones to get the "free" VOIP phone calls into the
>>>> house).
>>>>
>>>> ....any idea how I can use both routers at once, and/or what
>>>> else I need to buy ?
>>>>
>>>> regards, Richard
>>>>
>>>
>>> Disable WiFi on the Orange Livebox.
>>> Disable DHCP on the Linksys WAG354G.
>>> Connect a UTP patch cable between the two.
>>>
>>> That way you are using the Livebox as the broadband router and VOIP
>>> gateway, and the WAG354G as a WiFi access point/Ethernet switch,
>>> with no special ISP account or equipment needed.
>>
>
> Check the specs for the Linksys device. Many of them have "Auto-Cross Over
> (MDI/MDI-X)" ports so you may not actually need a cross-over cable.
>
> --
> Lem MS MVP -- Networking
>
> To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer

You may also want to take a look at this page of Jacks;
http://www.ezlan.net/shield.html and this diagram
http://www.ezlan.net/network/shield.jpg your livebox would be the "Front"
Router in this diagram, your Linksys would be the Shield Router. You would
need to change the DHCP server settings of the WAG354G to use a different
IP space than the livebox, say 10.0.0.1 or any thing so both routers are not
using the same IP space 192.168.1.1. Or you could move the WAG354G to
192.168.2.1

I would suggest that if you try this, you set the livebox to pass everything
to the WAG354G, by putting the WAG354G in the demilitarized zone, or set it
to play online games.

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"RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:eFXnY%(E-Mail Removed)...
>I want to "split" or share my adsl line between two routers ! I've been
>digging on the web and apparantly I need a "switch" that somehow shares
>something (my adsl line) ! ...see how much I've learnt !!!
>
> The longish story is that the hardware I have doesn't seem to be flexible
> enough, (plus I don't like the Orange Livebox adsl/modem/router+wireless g
> with WEP/WPA because the inadequate firmware in the router seems to have
> been purposely designed to keep anything that looks remotely technical
> hidden form the user, e.g. I can't select AES over TKIP in it etc. I
> can't easily match the "master" wireless settings in the Orange Live box
> with those of a Linksys WMP54G pci wireless g card, that's in Dad's PC in
> the house, because in the Orange firmware they're simply not made
> available, or called something else ! Even the firewall has four novice
> "level" settings instead of proper controls like in the Linksys, and it
> seems that different manufacturers give different names and labels to the
> same things! I have to "trial and error" to match wireless settings on in
> Dads' PC - fortunately there are more comprehensive and flexible settings
> in the Linksys pci card software. Also, some sort of design fault in the
> Orange Livebox means that people who have one, can no longer access their
> free Orange webspace, (they're aware of this and claim to be looking into
> it). Not that I ever use my website for much but, I like to try and have
> a short practice every few weeks. ....I digress....
>
> The Orange Livebox has the normal rj11 plug-hole into which one plugs the
> adsl signal, and an additional rj11 plug hole into which one plugs an
> ordinary 'phone, in order to make use of the free Orange VOIP 'phone calls
> that start with 01 or 02 , a hardware facility that is of course not
> present on my Linksys WAG354G adsl/modem/router+wireless g, and one that I
> want to keep and use.
> ...so I want to use both routers so that I can use the free VOIP 'phone
> call facility on the Orange Live box, and use my Linksys for broadband
> sent to my PC on rj45 lead and wirelessly to Dads' PC in the house ! (I
> use DECT digital cordless phones to get the "free" VOIP phone calls into
> the house).
>
> ....any idea how I can use both routers at once, and/or what else I need
> to buy ?
>
> regards, Richard

Well, thanks to all for your reponses and help.
I'm trying to picture all this in my head, to try and "picture" what goes
where, before having a go !
....and in what best order to do it
The theoretical scenario, (the more I ponder on it), raise lots more
questions in my head !

adsl lead stays or "ends up" plugged into Livebox where it is atm.
Linksys will eventually be 2nd in the "chain", connected to Livebox by
ethernet crossover, (or 'autosensed' straight through rj45 lead etc.).
I obviously have to access Linksys and change its' Gateway IP address to
something other than 192.168.1.1 e.g. 192.168.1.2
Livebox will have a demilitarized IP address set in it, ...which is the new
Gatway address of the Linksys ?, ...which must be different than the default
192.168.1.1 that's in both of them ?
....wireless is switched off in Livebox, ...DHCP is off in Linksys but, stays
on in Livebox ? ...I don't understand that, feels like it should be the
other way around !

Anyway, here's my guestimated procedure sequence ! :-)

Livebox currently connected, so switch off wireless in Livebox settings.
Yank firewall down to Low, (Livebox menu says "to be able to set a
demilitarized zone, first set firewall to Low..." or something like that).
So, put 192.168.1.2 into demilitarized zone, and yank firewall back to
Medium, ( I hate these Livebox menus !) ...or will that cause problems,
....or will the Linksys NAT firewall cover everything ?

Connect Linksys and change it's Gateway address from 192.168.1.1 to
something else e.g. 192.168.1.2,
and switch off DHCP. (....so how will Dads' WMP54G get it's IP address from
WAG354G with no DHCP ? , or will this cuase me to have to make manual
settings in WMP54G software - I don't think it's that flexible !)

....but reading through your posts, I've got the suspicion that I'm going to
end up with two ranges of IP addresses, one range in Livebox, and another
range in Linksys that conflict ?

....have to go away and make a cup of coffee now b4 destroying it all !

regards, Richard


"RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:eFXnY%(E-Mail Removed)...
>I want to "split" or share my adsl line between two routers ! I've been
>digging on the web and apparantly I need a "switch" that somehow shares
>something (my adsl line) ! ...see how much I've learnt !!!
>
> The longish story is that the hardware I have doesn't seem to be flexible
> enough, (plus I don't like the Orange Livebox adsl/modem/router+wireless g
> with WEP/WPA because the inadequate firmware in the router seems to have
> been purposely designed to keep anything that looks remotely technical
> hidden form the user, e.g. I can't select AES over TKIP in it etc. I
> can't easily match the "master" wireless settings in the Orange Live box
> with those of a Linksys WMP54G pci wireless g card, that's in Dad's PC in
> the house, because in the Orange firmware they're simply not made
> available, or called something else ! Even the firewall has four novice
> "level" settings instead of proper controls like in the Linksys, and it
> seems that different manufacturers give different names and labels to the
> same things! I have to "trial and error" to match wireless settings on in
> Dads' PC - fortunately there are more comprehensive and flexible settings
> in the Linksys pci card software. Also, some sort of design fault in the
> Orange Livebox means that people who have one, can no longer access their
> free Orange webspace, (they're aware of this and claim to be looking into
> it). Not that I ever use my website for much but, I like to try and have
> a short practice every few weeks. ....I digress....
>
> The Orange Livebox has the normal rj11 plug-hole into which one plugs the
> adsl signal, and an additional rj11 plug hole into which one plugs an
> ordinary 'phone, in order to make use of the free Orange VOIP 'phone calls
> that start with 01 or 02 , a hardware facility that is of course not
> present on my Linksys WAG354G adsl/modem/router+wireless g, and one that I
> want to keep and use.
> ...so I want to use both routers so that I can use the free VOIP 'phone
> call facility on the Orange Live box, and use my Linksys for broadband
> sent to my PC on rj45 lead and wirelessly to Dads' PC in the house ! (I
> use DECT digital cordless phones to get the "free" VOIP phone calls into
> the house).
>
> ....any idea how I can use both routers at once, and/or what else I need
> to buy ?
>
> regards, Richard

...tho' looking at
quoted from http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html

"
Example:
- Main Router's base address is 192.168.1.1, with a DHCP server range of
192.168.1.100 to 192.168.1.150 (is this my Livebox?)
- Set the Cable/DSL Router to (the one you're using as an Access Point) base
address to any IP address between 192.168.1.151 to 192.168.1.250 (is this my
Linksys?)
Second Step: Switch Off the DHCP on the Wireless Cable/DSL Router, and set
to Off any filters or special settings that is On if it is used as the main
Router.
"
<grin>

regards, Richard


"RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Well, thanks to all for your reponses and help.
> I'm trying to picture all this in my head, to try and "picture" what goes
> where, before having a go !
> ...and in what best order to do it
> The theoretical scenario, (the more I ponder on it), raise lots more
> questions in my head !
>
> adsl lead stays or "ends up" plugged into Livebox where it is atm.
> Linksys will eventually be 2nd in the "chain", connected to Livebox by
> ethernet crossover, (or 'autosensed' straight through rj45 lead etc.).
> I obviously have to access Linksys and change its' Gateway IP address to
> something other than 192.168.1.1 e.g. 192.168.1.2
> Livebox will have a demilitarized IP address set in it, ...which is the
> new Gatway address of the Linksys ?, ...which must be different than the
> default 192.168.1.1 that's in both of them ?
> ...wireless is switched off in Livebox, ...DHCP is off in Linksys but,
> stays on in Livebox ? ...I don't understand that, feels like it should be
> the other way around !
>
> Anyway, here's my guestimated procedure sequence ! :-)
>
> Livebox currently connected, so switch off wireless in Livebox settings.
> Yank firewall down to Low, (Livebox menu says "to be able to set a
> demilitarized zone, first set firewall to Low..." or something like that).
> So, put 192.168.1.2 into demilitarized zone, and yank firewall back to
> Medium, ( I hate these Livebox menus !) ...or will that cause problems,
> ...or will the Linksys NAT firewall cover everything ?
>
> Connect Linksys and change it's Gateway address from 192.168.1.1 to
> something else e.g. 192.168.1.2,
> and switch off DHCP. (....so how will Dads' WMP54G get it's IP address
> from WAG354G with no DHCP ? , or will this cuase me to have to make
> manual settings in WMP54G software - I don't think it's that flexible !)
>
> ...but reading through your posts, I've got the suspicion that I'm going
> to end up with two ranges of IP addresses, one range in Livebox, and
> another range in Linksys that conflict ?
>
> ...have to go away and make a cup of coffee now b4 destroying it all !
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:eFXnY%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>I want to "split" or share my adsl line between two routers ! I've been
>>digging on the web and apparantly I need a "switch" that somehow shares
>>something (my adsl line) ! ...see how much I've learnt !!!
>>
>> The longish story is that the hardware I have doesn't seem to be
>> flexible enough, (plus I don't like the Orange Livebox
>> adsl/modem/router+wireless g with WEP/WPA because the inadequate firmware
>> in the router seems to have been purposely designed to keep anything that
>> looks remotely technical hidden form the user, e.g. I can't select AES
>> over TKIP in it etc. I can't easily match the "master" wireless settings
>> in the Orange Live box with those of a Linksys WMP54G pci wireless g
>> card, that's in Dad's PC in the house, because in the Orange firmware
>> they're simply not made available, or called something else ! Even the
>> firewall has four novice "level" settings instead of proper controls like
>> in the Linksys, and it seems that different manufacturers give different
>> names and labels to the same things! I have to "trial and error" to
>> match wireless settings on in Dads' PC - fortunately there are more
>> comprehensive and flexible settings in the Linksys pci card software.
>> Also, some sort of design fault in the Orange Livebox means that people
>> who have one, can no longer access their free Orange webspace, (they're
>> aware of this and claim to be looking into it). Not that I ever use my
>> website for much but, I like to try and have a short practice every few
>> weeks. ....I digress....
>>
>> The Orange Livebox has the normal rj11 plug-hole into which one plugs the
>> adsl signal, and an additional rj11 plug hole into which one plugs an
>> ordinary 'phone, in order to make use of the free Orange VOIP 'phone
>> calls that start with 01 or 02 , a hardware facility that is of course
>> not present on my Linksys WAG354G adsl/modem/router+wireless g, and one
>> that I want to keep and use.
>> ...so I want to use both routers so that I can use the free VOIP 'phone
>> call facility on the Orange Live box, and use my Linksys for broadband
>> sent to my PC on rj45 lead and wirelessly to Dads' PC in the house ! (I
>> use DECT digital cordless phones to get the "free" VOIP phone calls into
>> the house).
>>
>> ....any idea how I can use both routers at once, and/or what else I need
>> to buy ?
>>
>> regards, Richard
>

Forget all me earlier ramblings...IT'S WORKING.

BiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiG thanx to all

regards, Richard


"RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> What's a "Broadcast LAN IP Address" ? ...and does it need to be on or off
> in
> one router, or both ?
>
> regards, Richard
>
>
> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>> ..tho' looking at
>> quoted from http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html
>>
>> "
>> Example:
>> - Main Router's base address is 192.168.1.1, with a DHCP server range of
>> 192.168.1.100 to 192.168.1.150 (is this my Livebox?)
>> - Set the Cable/DSL Router to (the one you're using as an Access Point)
>> base address to any IP address between 192.168.1.151 to 192.168.1.250 (is
>> this my Linksys?)
>> Second Step: Switch Off the DHCP on the Wireless Cable/DSL Router, and
>> set to Off any filters or special settings that is On if it is used as
>> the
>> main Router.
>> "
>> <grin>
>>
>> regards, Richard
>>
>>
>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Well, thanks to all for your reponses and help.
>>> I'm trying to picture all this in my head, to try and "picture" what
>>> goes where, before having a go !
>>> ...and in what best order to do it
>>> The theoretical scenario, (the more I ponder on it), raise lots more
>>> questions in my head !
>>>
>>> adsl lead stays or "ends up" plugged into Livebox where it is atm.
>>> Linksys will eventually be 2nd in the "chain", connected to Livebox by
>>> ethernet crossover, (or 'autosensed' straight through rj45 lead etc.).
>>> I obviously have to access Linksys and change its' Gateway IP address to
>>> something other than 192.168.1.1 e.g. 192.168.1.2
>>> Livebox will have a demilitarized IP address set in it, ...which is the
>>> new Gatway address of the Linksys ?, ...which must be different than the
>>> default 192.168.1.1 that's in both of them ?
>>> ...wireless is switched off in Livebox, ...DHCP is off in Linksys but,
>>> stays on in Livebox ? ...I don't understand that, feels like it should
>>> be
>>> the other way around !
>>>
>>> Anyway, here's my guestimated procedure sequence ! :-)
>>>
>>> Livebox currently connected, so switch off wireless in Livebox settings.
>>> Yank firewall down to Low, (Livebox menu says "to be able to set a
>>> demilitarized zone, first set firewall to Low..." or something like
>>> that).
>>> So, put 192.168.1.2 into demilitarized zone, and yank firewall back to
>>> Medium, ( I hate these Livebox menus !) ...or will that cause problems,
>>> ...or will the Linksys NAT firewall cover everything ?
>>>
>>> Connect Linksys and change it's Gateway address from 192.168.1.1 to
>>> something else e.g. 192.168.1.2,
>>> and switch off DHCP. (....so how will Dads' WMP54G get it's IP address
>>> from WAG354G with no DHCP ? , or will this cuase me to have to make
>>> manual settings in WMP54G software - I don't think it's that flexible !)
>>>
>>> ...but reading through your posts, I've got the suspicion that I'm going
>>> to end up with two ranges of IP addresses, one range in Livebox, and
>>> another range in Linksys that conflict ?
>>>
>>> ...have to go away and make a cup of coffee now b4 destroying it all !
>>>
>>> regards, Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> "RJK" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:eFXnY%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>I want to "split" or share my adsl line between two routers ! I've been
>>>>digging on the web and apparantly I need a "switch" that somehow shares
>>>>something (my adsl line) ! ...see how much I've learnt !!!
>>>>
>>>> The longish story is that the hardware I have doesn't seem to be
>>>> flexible enough, (plus I don't like the Orange Livebox
>>>> adsl/modem/router+wireless g with WEP/WPA because the inadequate
>>>> firmware in the router seems to have been purposely designed to keep
>>>> anything that looks remotely technical hidden form the user, e.g. I
>>>> can't select AES over TKIP in it etc. I can't easily match the
>>>> "master"
>>>> wireless settings in the Orange Live box with those of a Linksys WMP54G
>>>> pci wireless g card, that's in Dad's PC in the house, because in the
>>>> Orange firmware they're simply not made available, or called something
>>>> else ! Even the firewall has four novice "level" settings instead of
>>>> proper controls like in the Linksys, and it seems that different
>>>> manufacturers give different names and labels to the same things! I
>>>> have to "trial and error" to match wireless settings on in Dads' PC -
>>>> fortunately there are more comprehensive and flexible settings in the
>>>> Linksys pci card software. Also, some sort of design fault in the
>>>> Orange
>>>> Livebox means that people who have one, can no longer access their free
>>>> Orange webspace, (they're aware of this and claim to be looking into
>>>> it). Not that I ever use my website for much but, I like to try and
>>>> have a short practice every few weeks. ....I digress....
>>>>
>>>> The Orange Livebox has the normal rj11 plug-hole into which one plugs
>>>> the adsl signal, and an additional rj11 plug hole into which one plugs
>>>> an ordinary 'phone, in order to make use of the free Orange VOIP 'phone
>>>> calls that start with 01 or 02 , a hardware facility that is of course
>>>> not present on my Linksys WAG354G adsl/modem/router+wireless g, and one
>>>> that I want to keep and use.
>>>> ...so I want to use both routers so that I can use the free VOIP 'phone
>>>> call facility on the Orange Live box, and use my Linksys for broadband
>>>> sent to my PC on rj45 lead and wirelessly to Dads' PC in the house ! (I
>>>> use DECT digital cordless phones to get the "free" VOIP phone calls
>>>> into
>>>> the house).
>>>>
>>>> ....any idea how I can use both routers at once, and/or what else I
>>>> need
>>>> to buy ?
>>>>
>>>> regards, Richard
>>>
>>
>