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Brian Whiting
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      02-09-2005, 12:55 PM
I am studying the MS course material and cannot find an answer to the
subject question. MS has scenarios where they recommend caching only or
secondary zone servers at remote sites. If the clients there are AD clients
who register their records with a Primary DNS server, how do they recognize
the non-Primary servers for use? Alternatively, if they are told to use a
secondary zone or caching server as their primary DNS server, how do their
dynamic DNS updates get registered on the primary? The material does not
address this & I have been unable to find the answer using web resources so
far.


 
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Steven L Umbach
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      02-10-2005, 07:47 AM
Only Active Directory integrated or primary zones can register dns clients.
Secondary zones are authoritative for a zone but can not register a dns
record for the zone. Secondary zones pull there zone info from a master dns
server. Secondary zones are useful when you need to resolve names in another
dns zone and both an Active Directory integrated/primary and secondary zone
can be on the same dns server but not for the same zone. For instance say
you are in a forest with acme.com and gloop.com and you are in acme.com.
Your preferred dns server would probably be a domain controller in acme.com
and have the AD integrated zone for acme.com which would register your dns
record dynamically. Since you also need to access resources in gloop.com and
they have their own domain controllers running dns, your preferred dns
server could be configured to have a secondary zone for gloop.com. Now your
preferred dns server can resolve names for both domains in the forest AND
resolve internet names for your computer because it is configured to forward
to the ISP dns server for zones it is not authoritative.

Caching dns servers have no domain zones so they are not authoritative for
any dns zone nor can they register any dns records. They can however be
configured to forward to other dns servers that can resolve dns names. Once
they start forwarding and dns names are resolved they "cache" the dns
replies from the forwarder and subsequent dns queries sent to it are first
checked for existence in the cache and then cached info is used if available
or off to the forwarder the query goes. This can help for a remote site
belonging to the domain that has a slow link. One way would be to configure
the caching dns server to forward to an Active Directory dns server at the
main site. Eventually both internet and domain records would be cached on
the caching server and that would improve response at the remote site and
reduce traffic over the slow link. The remote site computers would still be
able to locate the AD dns server when the needed to register or update their
dns records. --- Steve

"Brian Whiting" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>I am studying the MS course material and cannot find an answer to the
>subject question. MS has scenarios where they recommend caching only or
>secondary zone servers at remote sites. If the clients there are AD
>clients who register their records with a Primary DNS server, how do they
>recognize the non-Primary servers for use? Alternatively, if they are told
>to use a secondary zone or caching server as their primary DNS server, how
>do their dynamic DNS updates get registered on the primary? The material
>does not address this & I have been unable to find the answer using web
>resources so far.
>



 
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Brian Whiting
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      02-13-2005, 03:25 PM
If I am reading your reply correctly, then a resolver can have its primary
DNS server at a remote site set to the address of the zone primary server at
the main site. When the client tries to register its address record on boot
up the caching server will forward the registration query to the primary
server. When the client resolver sends a query to resolve a friendly name
to address, the caching server will anser it if it's cached, or forward the
query to the forwarder (in this case the primary zone AD server) in a
recursive query, then cache the results.

Have I got it straight?

Brian

"Steven L Umbach" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Only Active Directory integrated or primary zones can register dns
> clients. Secondary zones are authoritative for a zone but can not register
> a dns record for the zone. Secondary zones pull there zone info from a
> master dns server. Secondary zones are useful when you need to resolve
> names in another dns zone and both an Active Directory integrated/primary
> and secondary zone can be on the same dns server but not for the same
> zone. For instance say you are in a forest with acme.com and gloop.com and
> you are in acme.com. Your preferred dns server would probably be a domain
> controller in acme.com and have the AD integrated zone for acme.com which
> would register your dns record dynamically. Since you also need to access
> resources in gloop.com and they have their own domain controllers running
> dns, your preferred dns server could be configured to have a secondary
> zone for gloop.com. Now your preferred dns server can resolve names for
> both domains in the forest AND resolve internet names for your computer
> because it is configured to forward to the ISP dns server for zones it is
> not authoritative.
>
> Caching dns servers have no domain zones so they are not authoritative for
> any dns zone nor can they register any dns records. They can however be
> configured to forward to other dns servers that can resolve dns names.
> Once they start forwarding and dns names are resolved they "cache" the dns
> replies from the forwarder and subsequent dns queries sent to it are first
> checked for existence in the cache and then cached info is used if
> available or off to the forwarder the query goes. This can help for a
> remote site belonging to the domain that has a slow link. One way would be
> to configure the caching dns server to forward to an Active Directory dns
> server at the main site. Eventually both internet and domain records would
> be cached on the caching server and that would improve response at the
> remote site and reduce traffic over the slow link. The remote site
> computers would still be able to locate the AD dns server when the needed
> to register or update their dns records. --- Steve
>
> "Brian Whiting" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>I am studying the MS course material and cannot find an answer to the
>>subject question. MS has scenarios where they recommend caching only or
>>secondary zone servers at remote sites. If the clients there are AD
>>clients who register their records with a Primary DNS server, how do they
>>recognize the non-Primary servers for use? Alternatively, if they are
>>told to use a secondary zone or caching server as their primary DNS
>>server, how do their dynamic DNS updates get registered on the primary?
>>The material does not address this & I have been unable to find the answer
>>using web resources so far.
>>

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Steven L Umbach
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      02-13-2005, 05:34 PM
In such a situation put the caching dns server first in the list of
preferred dns servers for domain clients at the remote site and the AD dns
server at the main site second in the list. That way it will always try to
use the caching dns server first and the main site dns server only if it can
not contact the caching dns server for redundancy. The caching server will
either resolve the request for the domain client computer from it's cache or
from the AD dns servers it forwards to. The caching dns server itself will
need to be configured to forward to AD dns servers in the main site. ---
Steve


"Brian Whiting" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> If I am reading your reply correctly, then a resolver can have its primary
> DNS server at a remote site set to the address of the zone primary server
> at the main site. When the client tries to register its address record on
> boot up the caching server will forward the registration query to the
> primary server. When the client resolver sends a query to resolve a
> friendly name to address, the caching server will anser it if it's cached,
> or forward the query to the forwarder (in this case the primary zone AD
> server) in a recursive query, then cache the results.
>
> Have I got it straight?
>
> Brian
>
> "Steven L Umbach" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Only Active Directory integrated or primary zones can register dns
>> clients. Secondary zones are authoritative for a zone but can not
>> register a dns record for the zone. Secondary zones pull there zone info
>> from a master dns server. Secondary zones are useful when you need to
>> resolve names in another dns zone and both an Active Directory
>> integrated/primary and secondary zone can be on the same dns server but
>> not for the same zone. For instance say you are in a forest with acme.com
>> and gloop.com and you are in acme.com. Your preferred dns server would
>> probably be a domain controller in acme.com and have the AD integrated
>> zone for acme.com which would register your dns record dynamically. Since
>> you also need to access resources in gloop.com and they have their own
>> domain controllers running dns, your preferred dns server could be
>> configured to have a secondary zone for gloop.com. Now your preferred
>> dns server can resolve names for both domains in the forest AND resolve
>> internet names for your computer because it is configured to forward to
>> the ISP dns server for zones it is not authoritative.
>>
>> Caching dns servers have no domain zones so they are not authoritative
>> for any dns zone nor can they register any dns records. They can however
>> be configured to forward to other dns servers that can resolve dns names.
>> Once they start forwarding and dns names are resolved they "cache" the
>> dns replies from the forwarder and subsequent dns queries sent to it are
>> first checked for existence in the cache and then cached info is used if
>> available or off to the forwarder the query goes. This can help for a
>> remote site belonging to the domain that has a slow link. One way would
>> be to configure the caching dns server to forward to an Active Directory
>> dns server at the main site. Eventually both internet and domain records
>> would be cached on the caching server and that would improve response at
>> the remote site and reduce traffic over the slow link. The remote site
>> computers would still be able to locate the AD dns server when the needed
>> to register or update their dns records. --- Steve
>>
>> "Brian Whiting" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>I am studying the MS course material and cannot find an answer to the
>>>subject question. MS has scenarios where they recommend caching only or
>>>secondary zone servers at remote sites. If the clients there are AD
>>>clients who register their records with a Primary DNS server, how do they
>>>recognize the non-Primary servers for use? Alternatively, if they are
>>>told to use a secondary zone or caching server as their primary DNS
>>>server, how do their dynamic DNS updates get registered on the primary?
>>>The material does not address this & I have been unable to find the
>>>answer using web resources so far.
>>>

>>
>>

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