How do apps get inet access?

So do apps. use the 7-layer-ISO stuff of their embedded OS
to get internet access ?

But what about an app. which existed before the embeding
OS was created ?

I have to use Win98 to drive a fixed-wireless-terminal,
and I want to use my 'linux-method' of having a script
which just reads a list of URLs and fetches them QUICKLY
without any graphics, to a file.

Since lynx for DOS exists, would this work, and would
DOS-lynx use the W98's 7-layer-ISO-stack ?

Or is there a better way to fetch & save the httpS
and still use the W98 driver?

== TIA.

On Sun, 2010-08-15, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> So do apps. use the 7-layer-ISO stuff of their embedded OS
> to get internet access ?

Uh, there is no 7-layer ISO stack. It's a theoretical thing which
people once tried to implement, but IP won at least twenty years ago.

> But what about an app. which existed before the embeding
> OS was created ?

It either works, or it doesn't.

> I have to use Win98 to drive a fixed-wireless-terminal,
> and I want to use my 'linux-method' of having a script
> which just reads a list of URLs and fetches them QUICKLY
> without any graphics, to a file.
>
> Since lynx for DOS exists, would this work, and would
> DOS-lynx use the W98's 7-layer-ISO-stack ?
>
> Or is there a better way to fetch & save the httpS
> and still use the W98 driver?

Do you really mean this?

- you have a device running a https server (not http?)
- you want to fetch files from it, using https
- you have to use one of the oldest releases of Windows (why?)
- and you want to know which tool to use

Well, I'd do what you do: look for a tool, and then I'd try iy out.
Lynx, wget and curl come to mind. DOS versions might work if you can
find an IP stack for DOS, but why not simply look for a version for
Windows98?

/Jorgen

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In article <slrni6fp4l.7ng.grahn+(E-Mail Removed)>, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> On Sun, 2010-08-15, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> > So do apps. use the 7-layer-ISO stuff of their embedded OS
> > to get internet access ?
>
> Uh, there is no 7-layer ISO stack. It's a theoretical thing which
> people once tried to implement, but IP won at least twenty years ago.
>
> > But what about an app. which existed before the embeding
> > OS was created ?
>
> It either works, or it doesn't.
>
> > I have to use Win98 to drive a fixed-wireless-terminal,
> > and I want to use my 'linux-method' of having a script
> > which just reads a list of URLs and fetches them QUICKLY
> > without any graphics, to a file.
> >
> > Since lynx for DOS exists, would this work, and would
> > DOS-lynx use the W98's 7-layer-ISO-stack ?
> >
> > Or is there a better way to fetch & save the httpS
> > and still use the W98 driver?
>
> Do you really mean this?
>
NO, badly written!
I mean "fetch & save the [plural] 'pages of http'.

> - you have a device running a https server (not http?)
> - you want to fetch files from it, using https
> - you have to use one of the oldest releases of Windows (why?)
> - and you want to know which tool to use
>
> Well, I'd do what you do: look for a tool, and then I'd try iy out.
The way I "TRY IT OUT" is by asking HERE.

> Lynx, wget and curl come to mind. DOS versions might work if you can
> find an IP stack for DOS, but why not simply look for a version for
> Windows98?
>
> /Jorgen
>
The device that I've bought doesn't have a W98 driver, so I'll have
to get a newer M$-OS just for the device!
You haven't answered my question: how would a DOS app. like lynx
communicate with eg. WinXP's ppp ?
So yes, if I can find "a version for <the newer M$-OS>" I need not
worry how the DOS app. communicates with Win*.
But I still want to KNOW.

== TIA.

(E-Mail Removed) writes:

> In article <slrni6fp4l.7ng.grahn+(E-Mail Removed)>, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>> Well, I'd do what you do: look for a tool, and then I'd try iy out.
> The way I "TRY IT OUT" is by asking HERE.

In a linux newsgroup? Why do you expect to find useful information
about antique versions of Windows here?

--
As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should
be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours;
and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin)

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Joe Pfeiffer <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> (E-Mail Removed) writes:
>
> > In article <slrni6fp4l.7ng.grahn+(E-Mail Removed)>, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, I'd do what you do: look for a tool, and then I'd try it out.
> > The way I "TRY IT OUT" is by asking HERE.
>
> In a linux newsgroup? Why do you expect to find useful information
> about antique versions of Windows here?
>
Most linux users are NOT people who just bought their PC
[pre-loaded with WinXYZ] last week. They are likely to have
'antique' knowledge/experience.
Besides who can get through life without having windows
pushed in their face; and other than office-girl user-types
they can't help knowing 'about antique versions of Windows'.
Like any worldly person kinows that man went to the
moon, even if he doesn't WANT to know.

Besides: my
Subject: How do apps get inet access?
is the central question, still unanswered.

== TIA.

(E-Mail Removed) writes:

> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Joe Pfeiffer <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> (E-Mail Removed) writes:
>>
>> > In article <slrni6fp4l.7ng.grahn+(E-Mail Removed)>, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Well, I'd do what you do: look for a tool, and then I'd try it out.
>> > The way I "TRY IT OUT" is by asking HERE.
>>
>> In a linux newsgroup? Why do you expect to find useful information
>> about antique versions of Windows here?
>>
> Most linux users are NOT people who just bought their PC
> [pre-loaded with WinXYZ] last week. They are likely to have
> 'antique' knowledge/experience.
> Besides who can get through life without having windows
> pushed in their face; and other than office-girl user-types
> they can't help knowing 'about antique versions of Windows'.
> Like any worldly person kinows that man went to the
> moon, even if he doesn't WANT to know.
>
> Besides: my
> Subject: How do apps get inet access?
> is the central question, still unanswered.

You can get a good introduction to the linux socket interface with
the command

% man socket
--
As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should
be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours;
and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin)

On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:11:31 +0000 (UTC), (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
<- snip ->
> Besides who can get through life without having windows
> pushed in their face; and other than office-girl user-types
> they can't help knowing 'about antique versions of Windows'.

Well, if you want Windows 3.1 knowledge, good luck pulling something
like that out of my 20-year-old memory banks!!
I went to OS/2 in the 90's and then, at the end of the 20th century, I
moved on to linux.

One 'personal' benefit is I don't get boxed into a corner at parties or
other gatherings by all the clueless appliance operators.

The only thing I know about Wndows 95/98 is that I heard it was just one
or two steps above Bob.


> Besides: my
> Subject: How do apps get inet access?
> is the central question, still unanswered.

And, will probably remain so -- until or unless you ask in a
comp.microsoft... ng.


Jonesy

in 499107 20100816 200021 Allodoxaphobia <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>The only thing I know about Wndows 95/98 is that I heard it was just one
>or two steps above Bob.

I really, really resent that!

Bob

(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Joe Pfeiffer <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> (E-Mail Removed) writes:
>>
>>> In article <slrni6fp4l.7ng.grahn+(E-Mail Removed)>, Jorgen Grahn <grahn+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>> Well, I'd do what you do: look for a tool, and then I'd try it out.
>>> The way I "TRY IT OUT" is by asking HERE.
>> In a linux newsgroup? Why do you expect to find useful information
>> about antique versions of Windows here?
>>
> Most linux users are NOT people who just bought their PC
> [pre-loaded with WinXYZ] last week. They are likely to have
> 'antique' knowledge/experience.
> Besides who can get through life without having windows
> pushed in their face; and other than office-girl user-types
> they can't help knowing 'about antique versions of Windows'.
> Like any worldly person kinows that man went to the
> moon, even if he doesn't WANT to know.
>
> Besides: my
> Subject: How do apps get inet access?
> is the central question, still unanswered.
>
> == TIA.


If you insist, the way DOS applications and early Windowses
connected to the IP network was called Trumpet Winsock.
Google for it.

--

Tauno Voipio
tauno voipio (at) iki fi

PS. Sorry for Windows discussion on this forum, maybe it helps
that this is written on OS X.

Jorgen Grahn <grahn+(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Uh, there is no 7-layer ISO stack. It's a theoretical thing which
> people once tried to implement, but IP won at least twenty years ago.

Isn't that what the "coloured book" protocols were, that UK academia
used for a number of years? If so, it certainly wasn't a case of "tried
to implement", but more of a "successfully implemented". At least until
IP won.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coloured_Book_protocols

Chris