disable netbios - net adapter vs. tcp/ip helper service

I'd like to disable NetBIOS, but I'm not sure how to completely disable it or
even if it should be disabled. I have two 2003 DCs and one 2000 DC (legacy
going away soon) with win2k and xp clients. I can disable NetBIOS over
TCP/IP for each client network adapter without any problems, but when I tried
stopping the TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper service, I could no longer logon to the
client (I use roaming profiles).

What's the difference between disabling NetBIOS over TCP/IP for the network
adapter and the TCP/IP NetBIOS helper service?

Should the service ever be disabled on clients and/or servers?

If the client adapter is disabled but the service is left enabled, is
NetBIOS really off?

Thanks,
Mike

There used to be a lot of talk a few years ago about getting rid of Netbios.
There is not much talk about it anymore because everybody found out that you
can almost never get rid of it. There are too many things that depend on
it,...it isn't just about Windows,...it is also about all the millions of
Applications that have been written that still in some form or another need
it.

We are a TV Station and our whole news room system that controls a huge
amount of what goes on the air during the news still needs it.

About any application that accesses network resources using a "single name"
to the target machine probably still needs it.

Network Browsing, Network Places, Network Neighborhood (whatever you want to
call it) still needs it.

My advice is to leave it alone. It ain't broke,..don't fix it.


--
Phillip Windell
www.wandtv.com

The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft,
or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
-----------------------------------------------------

"Mike55" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news5D50E94-BF38-4603-A9D6-(E-Mail Removed)...
> I'd like to disable NetBIOS, but I'm not sure how to completely disable it
> or
> even if it should be disabled. I have two 2003 DCs and one 2000 DC
> (legacy
> going away soon) with win2k and xp clients. I can disable NetBIOS over
> TCP/IP for each client network adapter without any problems, but when I
> tried
> stopping the TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper service, I could no longer logon to the
> client (I use roaming profiles).
>
> What's the difference between disabling NetBIOS over TCP/IP for the
> network
> adapter and the TCP/IP NetBIOS helper service?
>
> Should the service ever be disabled on clients and/or servers?
>
> If the client adapter is disabled but the service is left enabled, is
> NetBIOS really off?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike

Okay. So does checking the 'disable NetBIOS' box for the client adapter do
anything?

Mike


"Phillip Windell" wrote:

> There used to be a lot of talk a few years ago about getting rid of Netbios.
> There is not much talk about it anymore because everybody found out that you
> can almost never get rid of it. There are too many things that depend on
> it,...it isn't just about Windows,...it is also about all the millions of
> Applications that have been written that still in some form or another need
> it.
>
> We are a TV Station and our whole news room system that controls a huge
> amount of what goes on the air during the news still needs it.
>
> About any application that accesses network resources using a "single name"
> to the target machine probably still needs it.
>
> Network Browsing, Network Places, Network Neighborhood (whatever you want to
> call it) still needs it.
>
> My advice is to leave it alone. It ain't broke,..don't fix it.
>
>
> --
> Phillip Windell
> www.wandtv.com
>
> The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft,
> or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> "Mike55" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news5D50E94-BF38-4603-A9D6-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I'd like to disable NetBIOS, but I'm not sure how to completely disable it
> > or
> > even if it should be disabled. I have two 2003 DCs and one 2000 DC
> > (legacy
> > going away soon) with win2k and xp clients. I can disable NetBIOS over
> > TCP/IP for each client network adapter without any problems, but when I
> > tried
> > stopping the TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper service, I could no longer logon to the
> > client (I use roaming profiles).
> >
> > What's the difference between disabling NetBIOS over TCP/IP for the
> > network
> > adapter and the TCP/IP NetBIOS helper service?
> >
> > Should the service ever be disabled on clients and/or servers?
> >
> > If the client adapter is disabled but the service is left enabled, is
> > NetBIOS really off?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
>
>
>

I don't know what all the several various Netbios related things scattered
all around the OS specifically stop, disable, or break. I just know it is a
mess to straighten out once it gets screwed up so I stay away from all of
them.

--
Phillip Windell
www.wandtv.com

The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft,
or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
-----------------------------------------------------


"Mike55" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:B4E8441C-8C7B-4BFD-A377-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Okay. So does checking the 'disable NetBIOS' box for the client adapter
> do
> anything?
>
> Mike
>
>
> "Phillip Windell" wrote:
>
>> There used to be a lot of talk a few years ago about getting rid of
>> Netbios.
>> There is not much talk about it anymore because everybody found out that
>> you
>> can almost never get rid of it. There are too many things that depend on
>> it,...it isn't just about Windows,...it is also about all the millions of
>> Applications that have been written that still in some form or another
>> need
>> it.
>>
>> We are a TV Station and our whole news room system that controls a huge
>> amount of what goes on the air during the news still needs it.
>>
>> About any application that accesses network resources using a "single
>> name"
>> to the target machine probably still needs it.
>>
>> Network Browsing, Network Places, Network Neighborhood (whatever you want
>> to
>> call it) still needs it.
>>
>> My advice is to leave it alone. It ain't broke,..don't fix it.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Phillip Windell
>> www.wandtv.com
>>
>> The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or
>> Microsoft,
>> or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "Mike55" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news5D50E94-BF38-4603-A9D6-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > I'd like to disable NetBIOS, but I'm not sure how to completely disable
>> > it
>> > or
>> > even if it should be disabled. I have two 2003 DCs and one 2000 DC
>> > (legacy
>> > going away soon) with win2k and xp clients. I can disable NetBIOS over
>> > TCP/IP for each client network adapter without any problems, but when I
>> > tried
>> > stopping the TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper service, I could no longer logon to
>> > the
>> > client (I use roaming profiles).
>> >
>> > What's the difference between disabling NetBIOS over TCP/IP for the
>> > network
>> > adapter and the TCP/IP NetBIOS helper service?
>> >
>> > Should the service ever be disabled on clients and/or servers?
>> >
>> > If the client adapter is disabled but the service is left enabled, is
>> > NetBIOS really off?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Mike
>>
>>
>>

What check box are you referring to? To disable Netbios over TCP/IP on
an interface you do it using a radio button on the WINS tab. This tab is
under the IPv4 Advanced setting.

"Mike55" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:B4E8441C-8C7B-4BFD-A377-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Okay. So does checking the 'disable NetBIOS' box for the client adapter
> do
> anything?
>
> Mike
>
>
> "Phillip Windell" wrote:
>
>> There used to be a lot of talk a few years ago about getting rid of
>> Netbios.
>> There is not much talk about it anymore because everybody found out that
>> you
>> can almost never get rid of it. There are too many things that depend on
>> it,...it isn't just about Windows,...it is also about all the millions of
>> Applications that have been written that still in some form or another
>> need
>> it.
>>
>> We are a TV Station and our whole news room system that controls a huge
>> amount of what goes on the air during the news still needs it.
>>
>> About any application that accesses network resources using a "single
>> name"
>> to the target machine probably still needs it.
>>
>> Network Browsing, Network Places, Network Neighborhood (whatever you want
>> to
>> call it) still needs it.
>>
>> My advice is to leave it alone. It ain't broke,..don't fix it.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Phillip Windell
>> www.wandtv.com
>>
>> The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or
>> Microsoft,
>> or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "Mike55" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news5D50E94-BF38-4603-A9D6-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > I'd like to disable NetBIOS, but I'm not sure how to completely disable
>> > it
>> > or
>> > even if it should be disabled. I have two 2003 DCs and one 2000 DC
>> > (legacy
>> > going away soon) with win2k and xp clients. I can disable NetBIOS over
>> > TCP/IP for each client network adapter without any problems, but when I
>> > tried
>> > stopping the TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper service, I could no longer logon to
>> > the
>> > client (I use roaming profiles).
>> >
>> > What's the difference between disabling NetBIOS over TCP/IP for the
>> > network
>> > adapter and the TCP/IP NetBIOS helper service?
>> >
>> > Should the service ever be disabled on clients and/or servers?
>> >
>> > If the client adapter is disabled but the service is left enabled, is
>> > NetBIOS really off?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Mike
>>
>>
>>