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Fred Goodwin, CMA
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      09-04-2007, 06:29 PM
Dial-up holdouts ask: Why go to broadband?

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Holdouts don't see the need for broadband

12:00 AM CDT on Tuesday, September 4, 2007
By ANDREW D. SMITH / The Dallas Morning News

Some announce their position and explain why it's smart. Others blush
when relatives mockingly raise the topic. But neither type expects to
upgrade from dial-up to broadband Internet - ever.

Analysts who monitor such holdouts closer than investors monitor Ben
Bernanke say most dial-up users are kidding themselves. Broadband
Internet has spread faster than did telephones, radio or television,
and it will eventually become as common as any of them.

Pundits, meanwhile, ponder whether holdouts hurt the national economy
and debate what our impatience with dial-up says about us.

"Nearly 75 years elapsed between the invention of the telephone and
anything approaching universal adoption. Broadband Internet has
reached half the nation's homes in less than a decade," said Jim
Murphy, AT&T Corp.'s executive director for retail DSL.

"If you keep this history in mind, it's really not surprising that we
still have holdouts. It's only surprising that so many of us are
surprised."

I'm not surprised, though, because I've lived it - my father-in-law
was a holdout until a few months ago.

AT&T research reveals much about holdouts, some expected, some
surprising.

Holdout demographics do, of course, skew older and lower-income. Many
holdouts retired before fast Internet hit offices. Working holdouts
rarely use the Internet in the office.

In these days of $10 dial-up and $15 DSL, the actual costs rarely
prevent upgrades. In fact, people with a second phone line for dial-up
Internet can actually save by switching.

But some holdouts don't know that broadband is so cheap because they
never bother to investigate.

Others know they can afford to upgrade but don't see the need. This
group rarely goes online and sticks mostly to e-mail. And some members
of the club take pride in denying themselves anything as frivolous as
fast Internet.

"I just don't need it." "I don't mind waiting a couple seconds for a
page to load up." "How fast does it need to be?"

I heard all these explanations from my father-in-law, generally
accompanied by dismissive hand gestures. The battle only ended when
his son bought him DSL last Christmas.

"Children are broadband's greatest friend," said Sandra Carpenter,
Verizon Communications Inc.'s group manager of marketing for the Texas
region.


Fast-spreading

About 56 million U.S. homes subscribe to some sort of fast Internet,
and 21 million have dial-up.

Broadband enthusiasts use it so much that they often think it's been
around longer than it has.

Colleges and corporations got fast Internet in the 1990s, but
consumers had to wait. According to the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development, only 5 percent of Americans had fast
Internet in 2001 and just 15 percent had it in 2005.

These figures are strangely controversial; other sources put them far
higher, but you can see how new Internet ubiquity is by considering
where you got your news on Sept. 11 or even during Hurricane Katrina.

Only a few of you turned instantly to the Internet because only a few
of you had the sort of connection that makes the Internet an instant
source of news.

The explosive growth of fast Internet began in the middle of this
decade, when price drops and speed boosts began attracting more than 2
million households per quarter.

The conversion rate may be slowing. Broadband service providers added
only 1.2 million accounts during the three months ended June 30. That
said, second-quarter numbers are always weak, and half of the nation's
holdouts may have broadband by this time next year.

"We expect that 73 percent of all homes will have a broadband
connection by 2011," said Amanda Sabia, an analyst at Gartner
Research. "Most of the others won't be dial-up customers. They'll be
people who don't even own a computer."


Not for everyone

Analysts doubt we'll ever get to universal broadband. Some people just
aren't interested in the Internet; others will never learn to use it.
And roughly one in five Americans struggles to read well enough for
basic Internet use.

Such limitations will probably hold the U.S. far behind tech leaders
such as South Korea, which already boasts that 89 percent of its
households have fast connections. Eight other nations and territories
report broadband penetration above 67 percent.

Some say this puts the U.S. at a competitive disadvantage.

"It's not just the number of people with broadband but the sheer speed
of the broadband they have," said Andrew King, president of the
consulting firm Web Site Optimization.

"Some people question why anyone needs anything more than 2 or 3
megabits, but there are many possible uses. It would be a very big
deal if South Korean businesses could slash travel costs - or even
office costs - because their networks support high-definition video
conferencing for salespeople and telecommuters."

Others worry far less.

"Logic says broadband should spur economic development, but when you
crunch all the available data, you get underwhelming results," said
Robert Crandall, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a
Washington think tank.

"They show that broadband boosts employment slightly, but it's a minor
effect compared to factors like education."


Sales force

Despite the long odds, big corporations appear determined to sell fast
Internet to every American.

Internet sellers advertise on television, over the radio and in print.
They set up booths at fairs. They send information through the mail.
They even go door to door.

"All we really have to do is get someone to give broadband a try,"
said Bill Kula, a Verizon spokesman. "Practically no one ever drops
broadband Internet and goes back to dial-up. I'm not sure I've ever
heard of anyone doing that."

Such assertions certainly match my experience. Less than six months
after getting basic DSL, my father-in-law upgraded his service again.

"I can't believe I waited as long as I did," he said. Then he
explained why he had no "need" for high-definition television.

 
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      09-04-2007, 08:28 PM
On Sep 4, 2:29 pm, "Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgood...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Despite the long odds, big corporations appear determined to sell fast
>Internet to every American.


They also are eager to sell more fast Internet than they can reliably
provide.

 
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      09-05-2007, 12:04 AM

"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Dial-up holdouts ask: Why go to broadband?
>
> <http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...ch/stories/DN-
> holdouts_04bus.ART.State.Edition1.35a81ac.html>
> http://tinyurl.com/37znxr
>
> Holdouts don't see the need for broadband
>
> 12:00 AM CDT on Tuesday, September 4, 2007
> By ANDREW D. SMITH / The Dallas Morning News
>
> Some announce their position and explain why it's smart. Others blush
> when relatives mockingly raise the topic. But neither type expects to
> upgrade from dial-up to broadband Internet - ever.


Then will be forced to go to broadband, when they next computer
they buy has no modem in it. Every computer I have bought since
2001 has come with no modem, so I have been using broadband
of some kind for many years. A number of computer stores
have quite selling computer with modems (and some have even
quit selling modems), so for some people, there will be no choice
when they buy their next machine.


 
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      09-05-2007, 12:32 AM
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:29:40 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
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>Holdouts don't see the need for broadband


I must live on a different planet from the author. I've been pushing
broadband since about 1999 and have met some rather unusual
resistance. Here's a sample of why some users don't want to get DSL
or cable modems:

1. It's too fast. I'll never be able to keep up.
2. Isn't that where all the hackers hang out? I don't want to get a
computah full of viruses and things.
3. My machine isn't fast enough for broadband. I don't want to
upgrade. Windoze 3.1 on a 486 is good enough for me.
4. I'd need an extra phone line for DSL.
5. If I get a cable modem, does that mean I'll lose some TV channels?
6. My kids might get in trouble with all the predators and strange
people that are on the internet.
7. Where am I going to put all the racks of equipment?
8. I might need to change my email address.
9. I'm lucky that the phone works in the first place (long history of
telco unreliability). I don't want to change anything.
10. My husband might be tempted to take his work home with him if he
has broadband. I don't want to seem him spend all night in front of
the computah.
11. I'm too old to learn anything new.
12. If I get a bigger pipe, will I need a bigger monitor?
13. If I can't figure out what it's going to cost me, I don't want it.
14. Nothing is ever as wonderful as the advertisements claim. I don't
want to be disappointed.
15. Full time broadband is ecologically incorrect. I want to save
power and dialup uses less power because I can disconnect everything
when I'm not using it.
16. Isn't the government using broadband to spy on people?
17. Broadband is so addictive that I might spend hours and hours
online instead of doing something useful. Maybe next year.

There are probably some more excuses I've forgotten. These are not
fabrications but real (paraphrased) excuses I've heard over the years.
Granted, it's a small number of potential broadband customers, but it
does reflect some real concerns that seem to have escaped the author
of the article.

Incidentally, the situation was not much different in 1995, when
dialup was the new thing and internet access became fashionable:
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      09-05-2007, 01:38 AM
Fred Goodwin, CMA wrote:

> Dial-up holdouts ask: Why go to broadband?
>
> <http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...ch/stories/DN-
> holdouts_04bus.ART.State.Edition1.35a81ac.html>
> http://tinyurl.com/37znxr
>
> Holdouts don't see the need for broadband
>
> 12:00 AM CDT on Tuesday, September 4, 2007
> By ANDREW D. SMITH / The Dallas Morning News
>
> Some announce their position and explain why it's smart. Others blush
> when relatives mockingly raise the topic. But neither type expects to
> upgrade from dial-up to broadband Internet - ever.
>
> Analysts who monitor such holdouts closer than investors monitor Ben
> Bernanke say most dial-up users are kidding themselves. Broadband
> Internet has spread faster than did telephones, radio or television,
> and it will eventually become as common as any of them.


<snip>

This post ignores the very real disparity between low-cost dial-up prices
and xdsl/cable in some markets; useable dial-up services may be purchased
for about $5.00/mo and yet the lowest bandwidth broadband services in
some markets are still more than $25.00/mo in addition to carrier charges
(POTS or basic cable). For low income, elderly and occasional users,
dial-up is often the only affordable option.

Regards,

Michael
 
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      09-05-2007, 04:11 AM
On Sep 4, 1:29 pm, "Fred Goodwin, CMA" <fgood...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dial-up holdouts ask: Why go to broadband?
>
> In these days of $10 dial-up and $15 DSL, the actual costs rarely
> prevent upgrades. In fact, people with a second phone line for dial-up
> Internet can actually save by switching.


Even when dial-up can be had for $5/month and DSL for less than $25,
dropping the usual second line brings the prices very close.

> "I just don't need it." "I don't mind waiting a couple seconds for a
> page to load up." "How fast does it need to be?"


I was using a clients dial-up that was too far out for DSL, and hence
too far out for a "56K" connection. The actual sped was 22 Kbps and
Yahoo and CNN took at least two minutes to load.

>"They show that broadband boosts employment slightly, but it's a minor
> effect compared to factors like education."


Double edged - With a horridly slow connection, you can't do research
for school, but then you can't plagiarize.as easy.

 
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      09-05-2007, 10:33 AM
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:04:38 -0700, "Charles Newman"
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>Then will be forced to go to broadband, when they next computer
>they buy has no modem in it. Every computer I have bought since
>2001 has come with no modem, so I have been using broadband
>of some kind for many years. A number of computer stores
>have quite selling computer with modems (and some have even
>quit selling modems), so for some people, there will be no choice
>when they buy their next machine.


Installing a modem isn't much more difficult than screwing in a light
bulb. Also, when ordering a new computer there's almost always an
option for a modem.

This isn't going to be the deciding factor.

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      09-05-2007, 10:35 AM
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:32:44 GMT, Jeff Liebermann
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>On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:29:40 -0700, "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Holdouts don't see the need for broadband

>
>I must live on a different planet from the author. I've been pushing
>broadband since about 1999 and have met some rather unusual
>resistance. Here's a sample of why some users don't want to get DSL
>or cable modems: <snip>


Can't argue with 8 & 17.

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      09-05-2007, 01:36 PM
In article <(E-Mail Removed). com>,
"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Despite the long odds, big corporations appear determined to sell fast
> Internet to every American.


There are still a lot of Americans that the big corporations are not
even trying to sell fast internet to.

> "All we really have to do is get someone to give broadband a try,"
> said Bill Kula, a Verizon spokesman.


In some cases, all they have to do is make the service available. But
they won't. They're investing hundreds of millions upgrading the speeds
of their existing broadband customers, while ignoring those who would be
grateful for any speed at all.
 
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      09-05-2007, 02:21 PM
"Fred Goodwin, CMA" <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:

>Dial-up holdouts ask: Why go to broadband?


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>Holdouts don't see the need for broadband



This assumes they can GET it, of course...

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