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Byrg B.
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      09-28-2004, 09:09 PM
I can dial my ISP nicely from KDE or Gnome.
But how do I dial WITHOUT running KDE/Gnome ???
Should I read about char, pppd, Wvdial or what ???
I'd like to keep it simple !!!
 
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David Dorward
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      09-28-2004, 09:49 PM
Byrg B. wrote:

> I can dial my ISP nicely from KDE or Gnome.
> But how do I dial WITHOUT running KDE/Gnome ???


Run a desktop environment which isn't KDE or Gnome and use the same tools
you've always used.

Or are you asking about dialing without needing X?

> Should I read about char, pppd, Wvdial or what ???


My distro comes with some nice scripts (pon and poff) which handle pppd with
a minimum of fuss. When I was using SuSE 6.2 (i.e. a long time ago) I was
rather found of wvdial, which wasn't difficult to get going.


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Byrg B.
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      09-28-2004, 10:37 PM
Yes, I want to dial without using X.
Why ??? Because on that OTHER machine I chose NOT to install
KDE or Gnome (i.e. no GUIs).
Thanks!
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:49:58 +0100, David Dorward <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>Byrg B. wrote:
>
>> I can dial my ISP nicely from KDE or Gnome.
>> But how do I dial WITHOUT running KDE/Gnome ???

>
>Run a desktop environment which isn't KDE or Gnome and use the same tools
>you've always used.
>
>Or are you asking about dialing without needing X?
>
>> Should I read about char, pppd, Wvdial or what ???

>
>My distro comes with some nice scripts (pon and poff) which handle pppd with
>a minimum of fuss. When I was using SuSE 6.2 (i.e. a long time ago) I was
>rather found of wvdial, which wasn't difficult to get going.


 
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Juhan Leemet
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      09-29-2004, 02:57 AM
(my contribution on the bottom, where it belongs)

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:37:23 -0400, Byrg B. wrote:
> Yes, I want to dial without using X.
> Why ??? Because on that OTHER machine I chose NOT to install
> KDE or Gnome (i.e. no GUIs).
> Thanks!
> ================================================== ============
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:49:58 +0100, David Dorward <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>>Byrg B. wrote:
>>
>>> I can dial my ISP nicely from KDE or Gnome.
>>> But how do I dial WITHOUT running KDE/Gnome ???

>>
>>Run a desktop environment which isn't KDE or Gnome and use the same tools
>>you've always used.
>>
>>Or are you asking about dialing without needing X?
>>
>>> Should I read about char, pppd, Wvdial or what ???

>>
>>My distro comes with some nice scripts (pon and poff) which handle pppd with
>>a minimum of fuss. When I was using SuSE 6.2 (i.e. a long time ago) I was
>>rather found of wvdial, which wasn't difficult to get going.


I'll second that recommendation for wvdial. In fact, I still have that
running on an old PC with SuSE 7.2 on it (soon 8.2 or 9.1, if I can find a
big enough shoe horn and sledge hammer?). I found that the wvdial program
was really easy to setup, and it was pretty smart in figuring out how to
connect to my ISP. ISTR that it only needed a phone number and my ISP user
name and password. After that it figured out (with defaults) how to
connect.

The only problem I recall having with it was that I had trouble launching
wvdial from a cron activated script. I wanted to program some additional
call out times, to pickup mail and newsgroup stuff. This had worked before
with some other software, but I didn't have the patience to fight wvdial
into submission. Worked fine in command line driven mode (even script
activated). Now I have a cable modem so I don't rely on wvdial for much.

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Bill Unruh
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      09-29-2004, 06:04 AM
Juhan Leemet <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:

](my contribution on the bottom, where it belongs)

]On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 18:37:23 -0400, Byrg B. wrote:
]> Yes, I want to dial without using X.
]> Why ??? Because on that OTHER machine I chose NOT to install
]> KDE or Gnome (i.e. no GUIs).
]> Thanks!
]> ================================================== ============
]> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 22:49:58 +0100, David Dorward <(E-Mail Removed)>
]> wrote:
]>
]>>Byrg B. wrote:
]>>
]>>> I can dial my ISP nicely from KDE or Gnome.
]>>> But how do I dial WITHOUT running KDE/Gnome ???
]>>
]>>Run a desktop environment which isn't KDE or Gnome and use the same tools
]>>you've always used.
]>>
]>>Or are you asking about dialing without needing X?
]>>
]>>> Should I read about char, pppd, Wvdial or what ???
]>>
]>>My distro comes with some nice scripts (pon and poff) which handle pppd with
]>>a minimum of fuss. When I was using SuSE 6.2 (i.e. a long time ago) I was
]>>rather found of wvdial, which wasn't difficult to get going.

]I'll second that recommendation for wvdial. In fact, I still have that
]running on an old PC with SuSE 7.2 on it (soon 8.2 or 9.1, if I can find a
]big enough shoe horn and sledge hammer?). I found that the wvdial program
]was really easy to setup, and it was pretty smart in figuring out how to
]connect to my ISP. ISTR that it only needed a phone number and my ISP user
]name and password. After that it figured out (with defaults) how to
]connect.

]The only problem I recall having with it was that I had trouble launching
]wvdial from a cron activated script. I wanted to program some additional
]call out times, to pickup mail and newsgroup stuff. This had worked before
]with some other software, but I didn't have the patience to fight wvdial
]into submission. Worked fine in command line driven mode (even script
]activated). Now I have a cable modem so I don't rely on wvdial for much.

wvdial like all of those programs, is great when it works and a complete
impediment when it does not-- impossible to debug. For example you almost
always should use Stupid mode.

See www.theory.physics.ubc.ca/ppp-linux.html for step by step instructions
for setting up and debugging ppp without any intermediary programs.

 
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