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Bill Lucas
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      11-05-2004, 07:46 PM
Hello as our company continue to grow we are forced with retooling our
network. While most things have been going smoothly I am having a DHCP
Issue which I do not know if there is a solution for...

We currently have our Primary Domain 192.168.1.0 and we are configuring a
lab domain 172.16.1.1 - 172.16.2.255 for testing... we exceeded the 255
IPs offered in the 192.168.1 subnet and are moving to the new range
specified.

The issue is with the DHCP servers. Every time we bring the DHCP Servers
for the Lab domain online our clients are picking up addresses for this
network range. I looked through my MCSE books and I thought I had the
servers set up ok.

Current lease times I think are 14 days but whenever a lease expires it is
not renewing its existing address and getting a lad address. I configured
our Primary DHCP Server with 2 scopes. The first was the one existing to
service the 192.168.1.0 subnet and the second range is the new lab domains
range of 172.16.1.1 - 172.16.2.255. the Lab scope has an exclusion range
covering 100% of the available IP Addresses. The DHCP servers for the lab
domain have the exact opposite set up. first scope will service 172.16.x.x
and the second scope is the 192.168.1.0 scope with an exclusion range of
100% of the IP addresses.

As I thought I understood this, it would prevent Nak messages from the NEW
DHCP servers but still not grant IP information in that scope... Well I am
guessing that is right as I don't see any Nak messages but it is resetting
the address which is not the desired outcome. I would have used an 80 / 20
split between the two scopes but our primary scope is so full and servicing
clients I didn't want to mess with it. there isn't a contiguous block of
IPs that I could section off to the new scope.

Any bright thoughts on this or am I going to have to decide between using
static IPS in the lab setting or trying to mess with our production switch
to get a new VLAN set up for the lab domain. not a desirable thing because
of the change control on the switch.

Don't know if this is important or not but the person who set the lab space
up used the same NETBIOS domain name as the primary domain, and we would
have to redo all the lab configuration to change that (not desirable either
way I know)

Thanks,
Bill

wc_REMOVETHIS_lucas @ cool blue dot com




 
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Miha Pihler
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      11-05-2004, 08:12 PM
Hi Bill,

What you see is expected if you put two DHCP servers on same networks. If
client broadcasts DHCP discovery and there are two DHCPs on the network it
will use the one that will respond first. If you want to prevent this, you
will have to configure VLAN on your switch or router between the networks.
NetBIOS name has nothing to do with this...

Mike

"Bill Lucas" <wcluREMOVETHIScas AT COOL BLUE DOT COM> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hello as our company continue to grow we are forced with retooling our
> network. While most things have been going smoothly I am having a DHCP
> Issue which I do not know if there is a solution for...
>
> We currently have our Primary Domain 192.168.1.0 and we are configuring a
> lab domain 172.16.1.1 - 172.16.2.255 for testing... we exceeded the 255
> IPs offered in the 192.168.1 subnet and are moving to the new range
> specified.
>
> The issue is with the DHCP servers. Every time we bring the DHCP Servers
> for the Lab domain online our clients are picking up addresses for this
> network range. I looked through my MCSE books and I thought I had the
> servers set up ok.
>
> Current lease times I think are 14 days but whenever a lease expires it
> is not renewing its existing address and getting a lad address. I
> configured our Primary DHCP Server with 2 scopes. The first was the one
> existing to service the 192.168.1.0 subnet and the second range is the new
> lab domains range of 172.16.1.1 - 172.16.2.255. the Lab scope has an
> exclusion range covering 100% of the available IP Addresses. The DHCP
> servers for the lab domain have the exact opposite set up. first scope
> will service 172.16.x.x and the second scope is the 192.168.1.0 scope with
> an exclusion range of 100% of the IP addresses.
>
> As I thought I understood this, it would prevent Nak messages from the NEW
> DHCP servers but still not grant IP information in that scope... Well I
> am guessing that is right as I don't see any Nak messages but it is
> resetting the address which is not the desired outcome. I would have used
> an 80 / 20 split between the two scopes but our primary scope is so full
> and servicing clients I didn't want to mess with it. there isn't a
> contiguous block of IPs that I could section off to the new scope.
>
> Any bright thoughts on this or am I going to have to decide between using
> static IPS in the lab setting or trying to mess with our production switch
> to get a new VLAN set up for the lab domain. not a desirable thing
> because of the change control on the switch.
>
> Don't know if this is important or not but the person who set the lab
> space up used the same NETBIOS domain name as the primary domain, and we
> would have to redo all the lab configuration to change that (not desirable
> either way I know)
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
> wc_REMOVETHIS_lucas @ cool blue dot com
>
>
>
>



 
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      11-05-2004, 08:23 PM
Thanks Mike, I thought that was going to be the ultimate answer... I should
just point out that the chapter in the MCSE Texts are way off on ths one...

Guess I'll be in here over the weekend configuring a VLAN. Thanks

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"Miha Pihler" <mihap-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hi Bill,
>
> What you see is expected if you put two DHCP servers on same networks. If
> client broadcasts DHCP discovery and there are two DHCPs on the network it
> will use the one that will respond first. If you want to prevent this, you
> will have to configure VLAN on your switch or router between the networks.
> NetBIOS name has nothing to do with this...
>
> Mike
>
> "Bill Lucas" <wcluREMOVETHIScas AT COOL BLUE DOT COM> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Hello as our company continue to grow we are forced with retooling our
>> network. While most things have been going smoothly I am having a DHCP
>> Issue which I do not know if there is a solution for...
>>
>> We currently have our Primary Domain 192.168.1.0 and we are configuring a
>> lab domain 172.16.1.1 - 172.16.2.255 for testing... we exceeded the
>> 255 IPs offered in the 192.168.1 subnet and are moving to the new range
>> specified.
>>
>> The issue is with the DHCP servers. Every time we bring the DHCP Servers
>> for the Lab domain online our clients are picking up addresses for this
>> network range. I looked through my MCSE books and I thought I had the
>> servers set up ok.
>>
>> Current lease times I think are 14 days but whenever a lease expires it
>> is not renewing its existing address and getting a lad address. I
>> configured our Primary DHCP Server with 2 scopes. The first was the one
>> existing to service the 192.168.1.0 subnet and the second range is the
>> new lab domains range of 172.16.1.1 - 172.16.2.255. the Lab scope has an
>> exclusion range covering 100% of the available IP Addresses. The DHCP
>> servers for the lab domain have the exact opposite set up. first scope
>> will service 172.16.x.x and the second scope is the 192.168.1.0 scope
>> with an exclusion range of 100% of the IP addresses.
>>
>> As I thought I understood this, it would prevent Nak messages from the
>> NEW DHCP servers but still not grant IP information in that scope...
>> Well I am guessing that is right as I don't see any Nak messages but it
>> is resetting the address which is not the desired outcome. I would have
>> used an 80 / 20 split between the two scopes but our primary scope is so
>> full and servicing clients I didn't want to mess with it. there isn't a
>> contiguous block of IPs that I could section off to the new scope.
>>
>> Any bright thoughts on this or am I going to have to decide between using
>> static IPS in the lab setting or trying to mess with our production
>> switch to get a new VLAN set up for the lab domain. not a desirable
>> thing because of the change control on the switch.
>>
>> Don't know if this is important or not but the person who set the lab
>> space up used the same NETBIOS domain name as the primary domain, and we
>> would have to redo all the lab configuration to change that (not
>> desirable either way I know)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>>
>> wc_REMOVETHIS_lucas @ cool blue dot com
>>
>>
>>
>>

>
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Miha Pihler
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      11-05-2004, 08:57 PM
Can you be specific what your book states? What boot exactly did you use?

Mike

"Bill Lucas" <wcluREMOVETHIScas AT COOL BLUE DOT COM> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Thanks Mike, I thought that was going to be the ultimate answer... I
> should just point out that the chapter in the MCSE Texts are way off on
> ths one...
>
> Guess I'll be in here over the weekend configuring a VLAN. Thanks
>
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> "Miha Pihler" <mihap-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> What you see is expected if you put two DHCP servers on same networks. If
>> client broadcasts DHCP discovery and there are two DHCPs on the network
>> it will use the one that will respond first. If you want to prevent this,
>> you will have to configure VLAN on your switch or router between the
>> networks. NetBIOS name has nothing to do with this...
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> "Bill Lucas" <wcluREMOVETHIScas AT COOL BLUE DOT COM> wrote in message
>> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Hello as our company continue to grow we are forced with retooling our
>>> network. While most things have been going smoothly I am having a DHCP
>>> Issue which I do not know if there is a solution for...
>>>
>>> We currently have our Primary Domain 192.168.1.0 and we are configuring
>>> a lab domain 172.16.1.1 - 172.16.2.255 for testing... we exceeded the
>>> 255 IPs offered in the 192.168.1 subnet and are moving to the new range
>>> specified.
>>>
>>> The issue is with the DHCP servers. Every time we bring the DHCP
>>> Servers for the Lab domain online our clients are picking up addresses
>>> for this network range. I looked through my MCSE books and I thought I
>>> had the servers set up ok.
>>>
>>> Current lease times I think are 14 days but whenever a lease expires it
>>> is not renewing its existing address and getting a lad address. I
>>> configured our Primary DHCP Server with 2 scopes. The first was the one
>>> existing to service the 192.168.1.0 subnet and the second range is the
>>> new lab domains range of 172.16.1.1 - 172.16.2.255. the Lab scope has
>>> an exclusion range covering 100% of the available IP Addresses. The
>>> DHCP servers for the lab domain have the exact opposite set up. first
>>> scope will service 172.16.x.x and the second scope is the 192.168.1.0
>>> scope with an exclusion range of 100% of the IP addresses.
>>>
>>> As I thought I understood this, it would prevent Nak messages from the
>>> NEW DHCP servers but still not grant IP information in that scope...
>>> Well I am guessing that is right as I don't see any Nak messages but it
>>> is resetting the address which is not the desired outcome. I would have
>>> used an 80 / 20 split between the two scopes but our primary scope is so
>>> full and servicing clients I didn't want to mess with it. there isn't a
>>> contiguous block of IPs that I could section off to the new scope.
>>>
>>> Any bright thoughts on this or am I going to have to decide between
>>> using static IPS in the lab setting or trying to mess with our
>>> production switch to get a new VLAN set up for the lab domain. not a
>>> desirable thing because of the change control on the switch.
>>>
>>> Don't know if this is important or not but the person who set the lab
>>> space up used the same NETBIOS domain name as the primary domain, and we
>>> would have to redo all the lab configuration to change that (not
>>> desirable either way I know)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> wc_REMOVETHIS_lucas @ cool blue dot com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

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