DG834T wireless problem?

Hi,

I picked up one of those PCWorld special offer Netgear DG834T's at
Christmas and it has generally worked perfectly. That is except for the
odd glitch in the wireless network.

I have the IP set to a rather unusual one in the 44.?.?.? range
throughout both my wired and wireless LAN. With 2x laptops using
wireless access. Very occasionally wireless access stops working, never
access via the wired side. At these times Stumbler does not see it all.
Fiddling about with the settings restores it and it can then work
flawlessly for days/weeks/months at a time back on the same settings I
use by default.

This past week has proven to be troublesome for access. However,
yesterday the wireless access point was lost completely, and nothing I
tried would bring it back. The laptop with wireless would not work, but
wired into the LAN it worked fine. Taking the laptop and placing it
next to the Netgear got it working intermitantly, very briefly. So I
returned it for an identical replacement today.

After setting a PC to the Netgears default IP, to enable me to set it
up I was then able to run the restoration cfg file. This set it back up
identically to my previous failed Netgear. The wireless access worked
fine for a few minutes, then it lost the access point completely.

Simply changing the channel it uses, brought it back again, but I
suspect it might be temporary. I am certain as I can be that the
problem is not due to interference, because simply fiddling with the
settings usually brings it straight back.

It always seems to be reliable on the default IP settings, but I have
good reason for not using the default. Could the IP I use perhaps be
causing the problems, or has anyone else any ideas on this problem?

Cheers..

--

Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.org

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:08:45 +0100, "Harry Bloomfield"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Could the IP I use perhaps be
>causing the problems, or has anyone else any ideas on this problem?

a 44.x.y.z IP address is potentially routeable to the internet, isn't
it ? Shouldn't you be using the internal IP address ranges like
192.168.x.y or 10.x.y.z ?

http://www.duxcw.com/faq/network/privip.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_IP_address

Phil
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on 05/09/2005, Phil Thompson supposed :
> a 44.x.y.z IP address is potentially routeable to the internet, isn't
> it ? Shouldn't you be using the internal IP address ranges like
> 192.168.x.y or 10.x.y.z ?

No, I do in fact have unique ownership of these particular IP's and I
do have a special reason for using them.

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Regards,
Harry (M1BYT) (L)
http://www.ukradioamateur.org

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:08:45 +0100, "Harry Bloomfield"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> It always seems to be reliable on the default IP settings, but I have
> good reason for not using the default. Could the IP I use perhaps be
> causing the problems, or has anyone else any ideas on this problem?

I have had endless problems with disappearing wireless signals from DG834G
routers, both v1 and v2, and have also see that same complaint in many
discussion groups. BTW I also do not use the 192.168.0.1 private address
default because I use the routers in bridge mode using real IP addresses,
but I had never connected those together. When the radio signal
disappears the wireless lamp on the router is still shining, so the router
itself is ignorant of the failure.

Tony

"Anthony R. Gold" <not-for-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I have had endless problems with disappearing wireless signals from DG834G
> routers, both v1 and v2, and have also see that same complaint in many
> discussion groups.

When you have problems with disappearing wireless signals, what do you need
to do to restore comms? Do you need to reboot the router (or at least
restart its wireless adapter) or do you just need to restart the wireless
adaptor in the PC that is trying to talk via wireless? I ask because I have
frequent problems with lost comms, but unpluggins/replugging the PC's USB
wireless adaptor (or in extreme cases, rebooting the PC) always solves it -
I never need to do anythng at the router.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 00:45:31 +0100, "Harry Bloomfield"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>No, I do in fact have unique ownership of these particular IP's and I
>do have a special reason for using them.

you did the mystic meg bit already.

So are you running this router as a non-NAT device with it routing
those external IPs properly ?

Phil
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On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 06:00:50 +0100, "Martin Underwood" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

> "Anthony R. Gold" <not-for-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I have had endless problems with disappearing wireless signals from DG834G
>> routers, both v1 and v2, and have also see that same complaint in many
>> discussion groups.
>
> When you have problems with disappearing wireless signals, what do you need
> to do to restore comms? Do you need to reboot the router (or at least
> restart its wireless adapter) or do you just need to restart the wireless
> adaptor in the PC that is trying to talk via wireless?

When the radio disappears it disappears at all the hosts on the network
and nothing done at any one of them will restore it. Going in to the
router's config server's wireless settings page and making any change,
such as changing the channel number and then back, will restore the
wireless and also the wireless itself sometime just turns off for a few
minutes and then returns all by itself.

> I ask because I have
> frequent problems with lost comms, but unpluggins/replugging the PC's USB
> wireless adaptor (or in extreme cases, rebooting the PC) always solves it -
> I never need to do anythng at the router.

That sounds like you have quite a different problem and one that is not
related to the DG834G itself.

Tony

"Anthony R. Gold" <not-for-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 06:00:50 +0100, "Martin Underwood" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>> "Anthony R. Gold" <not-for-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> I have had endless problems with disappearing wireless signals from
>>> DG834G
>>> routers, both v1 and v2, and have also see that same complaint in many
>>> discussion groups.
>>
>> When you have problems with disappearing wireless signals, what do you
>> need
>> to do to restore comms? Do you need to reboot the router (or at least
>> restart its wireless adapter) or do you just need to restart the wireless
>> adaptor in the PC that is trying to talk via wireless?
>
> When the radio disappears it disappears at all the hosts on the network
> and nothing done at any one of them will restore it. Going in to the
> router's config server's wireless settings page and making any change,
> such as changing the channel number and then back, will restore the
> wireless and also the wireless itself sometime just turns off for a few
> minutes and then returns all by itself.
>
>> I ask because I have
>> frequent problems with lost comms, but unpluggins/replugging the PC's USB
>> wireless adaptor (or in extreme cases, rebooting the PC) always solves
>> it -
>> I never need to do anythng at the router.
>
> That sounds like you have quite a different problem and one that is not
> related to the DG834G itself.

That's what I thought. I reckon the WG111T which I got "free" with the
router is a pile of crap. My laptop occasionally locks solid (even the mouse
pointer and caps lock fail to respond) for no apparent reason, which dates
back to when I started using the WG111T. It never used to do this, and
doesn't if I don't plug the WG. Several of my customers who have this device
have reported the same symptom.

At least you've set my mind at rest about the router itself. I've never
experienced the router failing to talk to all wireless devices. Looks like
I've been luckier than you!

On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:21:09 +0100, "Martin Underwood" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

> That's what I thought. I reckon the WG111T which I got "free" with the
> router is a pile of crap. My laptop occasionally locks solid (even the mouse
> pointer and caps lock fail to respond) for no apparent reason, which dates
> back to when I started using the WG111T. It never used to do this, and
> doesn't if I don't plug the WG. Several of my customers who have this device
> have reported the same symptom.

I just started using a WG111 (non-T) around ten days ago as a temporary
device to configure a desk top computer which would eventually be using
ethernet and so did not justify a PCI wireless card. The USB WiFi dongle
has performed flawlessly with both that XP Shuttle desktop and later with
an elderly Thinkpad 600X running Win2K. But note that I never installed
any Netgear software, just their device drivers. I used WinXP itself to
control the device in the Shuttle and Cirond WiNC in the notebook. Maybe
the Netgear card applications software is toxic, but the network hardware
and the Netgear drivers have seemed to me to be fine and quite stable.

Good luck.

Tony

"Anthony R. Gold" <not-for-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:21:09 +0100, "Martin Underwood" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>> That's what I thought. I reckon the WG111T which I got "free" with the
>> router is a pile of crap. My laptop occasionally locks solid (even the
>> mouse
>> pointer and caps lock fail to respond) for no apparent reason, which
>> dates
>> back to when I started using the WG111T. It never used to do this, and
>> doesn't if I don't plug the WG. Several of my customers who have this
>> device
>> have reported the same symptom.
>
> I just started using a WG111 (non-T) around ten days ago as a temporary
> device to configure a desk top computer which would eventually be using
> ethernet and so did not justify a PCI wireless card. The USB WiFi dongle
> has performed flawlessly with both that XP Shuttle desktop and later with
> an elderly Thinkpad 600X running Win2K. But note that I never installed
> any Netgear software, just their device drivers. I used WinXP itself to
> control the device in the Shuttle and Cirond WiNC in the notebook. Maybe
> the Netgear card applications software is toxic, but the network hardware
> and the Netgear drivers have seemed to me to be fine and quite stable.

Ah. That could be the difference. I took the recommended action of using
Netgear's app instead of the default Windows XP wireless networking tool.
I'll try reconfiguring it to use Windows and see if it makes any difference.