"Court blow for Blackberry maker"

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4486450.stm>

...

A federal judge has ruled that a $450m settlement between patent
holding US firm NTP Software and Blackberry maker Research in Motion
(RIM) was not valid.

...

US District Judge James Spencer could now reissue an injunction that
could shut down the Blackberry service in the US.

An injunction could be potentially disastrous for RIM, which derives
70% of its revenue from Blackberry sales in the US.

However, Judge Spencer has postponed any immediate action against
RIM, leaving lawyers for both firms to sort out a hearing date.

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"John Navas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4486450.stm>
>
> ...
>
> A federal judge has ruled that a $450m settlement between patent
> holding US firm NTP Software and Blackberry maker Research in Motion
> (RIM) was not valid.
>
> ...
>
> US District Judge James Spencer could now reissue an injunction that
> could shut down the Blackberry service in the US.
>
> An injunction could be potentially disastrous for RIM, which derives
> 70% of its revenue from Blackberry sales in the US.
>
> However, Judge Spencer has postponed any immediate action against
> RIM, leaving lawyers for both firms to sort out a hearing date.
>
> [MORE]
>
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And once again we see a unproductive parasite by the name of NTP Inc supping
off a ficticious claim and the ignorant US Justice system playing the game.
Wonder how much payout this Judge Spencer is
getting!

sdgreen wrote:
> "John Navas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:3Ozkf.120955$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>><http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4486450.stm>
>>
>> ...
>>
>> A federal judge has ruled that a $450m settlement between patent
>> holding US firm NTP Software and Blackberry maker Research in Motion
>> (RIM) was not valid.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> US District Judge James Spencer could now reissue an injunction that
>> could shut down the Blackberry service in the US.
>>
>> An injunction could be potentially disastrous for RIM, which derives
>> 70% of its revenue from Blackberry sales in the US.
>>
>> However, Judge Spencer has postponed any immediate action against
>> RIM, leaving lawyers for both firms to sort out a hearing date.
>>
>> [MORE]
>>
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>>John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
>
>
> And once again we see a unproductive parasite by the name of NTP Inc supping
> off a ficticious claim and the ignorant US Justice system playing the game.
> Wonder how much payout this Judge Spencer is
> getting!
>
>
>
It's the same the whole world over it's the #### wot gets ...
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/200..._elonex_inpro/

Rob

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In <439300c1$(E-Mail Removed)> on Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:44:15 +0800, "sdgreen"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>"John Navas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:3Ozkf.120955$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4486450.stm>
>>
>> ...
>>
>> A federal judge has ruled that a $450m settlement between patent
>> holding US firm NTP Software and Blackberry maker Research in Motion
>> (RIM) was not valid.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> US District Judge James Spencer could now reissue an injunction that
>> could shut down the Blackberry service in the US.
>>
>> An injunction could be potentially disastrous for RIM, which derives
>> 70% of its revenue from Blackberry sales in the US.
>>
>> However, Judge Spencer has postponed any immediate action against
>> RIM, leaving lawyers for both firms to sort out a hearing date.
>>
>> [MORE]

>And once again we see a unproductive parasite by the name of NTP Inc supping
>off a ficticious claim and the ignorant US Justice system playing the game.
>Wonder how much payout this Judge Spencer is getting!

Childish accusation? Or do you have anything to back that up? The simple
fact is that the patent has been found to be valid and infringed. Would you
do away with the patent system?

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John Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> US District Judge James Spencer could now reissue an injunction that
> could shut down the Blackberry service in the US.

Yeah, that's really the only "interesting" part of this whole legal
battle, that every blackberry device in the US might suddenly stop
working. However, a bit of reading reveals a few other details:

Blackberry claims to have a software update that's non-infringing.

They had a settlement, and may well have one again.

Even the paten battle isn't over yet, as the US Patent Office had
ruled that some of the patents are possibly not valid.

IMHO, only the lawyers are going to get rich on this one, and it's
going to be _years_ before it's settled to the point where NTP goes
away or RIM settles with them again.

Ho Hum.

"John Navas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> In <439300c1$(E-Mail Removed)> on Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:44:15 +0800,
> "sdgreen"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>"John Navas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>news:3Ozkf.120955$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4486450.stm>
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> A federal judge has ruled that a $450m settlement between patent
>>> holding US firm NTP Software and Blackberry maker Research in Motion
>>> (RIM) was not valid.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> US District Judge James Spencer could now reissue an injunction that
>>> could shut down the Blackberry service in the US.
>>>
>>> An injunction could be potentially disastrous for RIM, which derives
>>> 70% of its revenue from Blackberry sales in the US.
>>>
>>> However, Judge Spencer has postponed any immediate action against
>>> RIM, leaving lawyers for both firms to sort out a hearing date.
>>>
>>> [MORE]
>
>>And once again we see a unproductive parasite by the name of NTP Inc
>>supping
>>off a ficticious claim and the ignorant US Justice system playing the
>>game.
>>Wonder how much payout this Judge Spencer is getting!
>
> Childish accusation? Or do you have anything to back that up? The simple
> fact is that the patent has been found to be valid and infringed. Would
> you
> do away with the patent system?
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS
> John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>


Appears that the US Patent Office doesnot agree with NTPs case. Seems tome
that NTP Inc. is just trying to cash in on a chance. Why have they not gone
after Amateur operators who have been using the same principles for years
before the cell phone was even invented? ... or the US Army/Navy who have
also used the same processes.

"John Navas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> In <439300c1$(E-Mail Removed)> on Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:44:15 +0800,
> "sdgreen"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>"John Navas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>news:3Ozkf.120955$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4486450.stm>
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> A federal judge has ruled that a $450m settlement between patent
>>> holding US firm NTP Software and Blackberry maker Research in Motion
>>> (RIM) was not valid.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> US District Judge James Spencer could now reissue an injunction that
>>> could shut down the Blackberry service in the US.
>>>
>>> An injunction could be potentially disastrous for RIM, which derives
>>> 70% of its revenue from Blackberry sales in the US.
>>>
>>> However, Judge Spencer has postponed any immediate action against
>>> RIM, leaving lawyers for both firms to sort out a hearing date.
>>>
>>> [MORE]
>
>>And once again we see a unproductive parasite by the name of NTP Inc
>>supping
>>off a ficticious claim and the ignorant US Justice system playing the
>>game.
>>Wonder how much payout this Judge Spencer is getting!
>
> Childish accusation? Or do you have anything to back that up? The simple
> fact is that the patent has been found to be valid and infringed. Would
> you
> do away with the patent system?
>
> --
> Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS
> John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

Thing is that NTP has just parked itself and then feeds off the work of
others. If an individual or group patent something, then they should do
something with it. If not, then they lose it.

John Navas wrote:

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>
> In <439300c1$(E-Mail Removed)> on Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:44:15 +0800,
> "sdgreen" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>"John Navas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>news:3Ozkf.120955$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4486450.stm>
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> A federal judge has ruled that a $450m settlement between patent
>>> holding US firm NTP Software and Blackberry maker Research in Motion
>>> (RIM) was not valid.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> US District Judge James Spencer could now reissue an injunction that
>>> could shut down the Blackberry service in the US.
>>>
>>> An injunction could be potentially disastrous for RIM, which derives
>>> 70% of its revenue from Blackberry sales in the US.
>>>
>>> However, Judge Spencer has postponed any immediate action against
>>> RIM, leaving lawyers for both firms to sort out a hearing date.
>>>
>>> [MORE]
>
>>And once again we see a unproductive parasite by the name of NTP Inc
>>supping off a ficticious claim and the ignorant US Justice system playing
>>the game. Wonder how much payout this Judge Spencer is getting!
>
> Childish accusation? Or do you have anything to back that up? The simple
> fact is that the patent has been found to be valid and infringed. Would
> you do away with the patent system?
>
That's not a _simple_ answer. The patent has _not_ been found valid in most
of the world. Injunctions have been denied elsewhere. Many would like to
see something done about the American patent system, that routinely grants
patents for impossible models, prior art and just plain stupidity.
--
derek

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In <4393e859$(E-Mail Removed)> on Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:12:23 +0800, "sdgreen"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>"John Navas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:duGkf.121951$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>> In <439300c1$(E-Mail Removed)> on Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:44:15 +0800,
>> "sdgreen"
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>>>And once again we see a unproductive parasite by the name of NTP Inc
>>>supping
>>>off a ficticious claim and the ignorant US Justice system playing the
>>>game.
>>>Wonder how much payout this Judge Spencer is getting!
>>
>> Childish accusation? Or do you have anything to back that up? The simple
>> fact is that the patent has been found to be valid and infringed. Would
>> you
>> do away with the patent system?

>Appears that the US Patent Office doesnot agree with NTPs case.

Citation please.

>Seems tome
>that NTP Inc. is just trying to cash in on a chance. Why have they not gone
>after Amateur operators who have been using the same principles for years
>before the cell phone was even invented? ... or the US Army/Navy who have
>also used the same processes.

Easy: "Follow the money."

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In <4393e9ac$(E-Mail Removed)> on Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:18:04 +0800, "sdgreen"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>"John Navas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:duGkf.121951$(E-Mail Removed)...

>> In <439300c1$(E-Mail Removed)> on Sun, 4 Dec 2005 22:44:15 +0800,
>> "sdgreen"
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>>>And once again we see a unproductive parasite by the name of NTP Inc
>>>supping
>>>off a ficticious claim and the ignorant US Justice system playing the
>>>game.
>>>Wonder how much payout this Judge Spencer is getting!
>>
>> Childish accusation? Or do you have anything to back that up? The simple
>> fact is that the patent has been found to be valid and infringed. Would
>> you
>> do away with the patent system?

>Thing is that NTP has just parked itself and then feeds off the work of
>others.

No, it's merely acting as an investor. By your logic all investors are
thieves. Can you say Communism?

>If an individual or group patent something, then they should do
>something with it. If not, then they lose it.

That's not how the patent system works. I suggest you round up some serious
support and contact your representatives in Congress.

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