Could use some help - setting up cable internet to 2 computers

I have 2 computers for 2 internet users, one a laptop and one a desktop.
The laptop is primarily used on a desk near a desk that has the desktop
computer. I have a linksys router and the laptop has a wireless card. Also
have a Motorola cable modem.

When the cable company comes to enable broadband, do I need any other
equipment. How should things be hooked up so that the desktop can get
broadband internet and also the laptop can also get to the internet, wired
to the cable?

Thanks in advance for any help.

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On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:11:18 -0400, "Les" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>I have 2 computers for 2 internet users, one a laptop and one a desktop.
>The laptop is primarily used on a desk near a desk that has the desktop
>computer. I have a linksys router and the laptop has a wireless card. Also
>have a Motorola cable modem.

Is there some difficulty in supplying the model numbers of your
Linksys "router"? Can I presume it's a wireless router? If so, this
is quite simple.

>When the cable company comes to enable broadband, do I need any other
>equipment.

Nope. The coax cable goes into the Rotomola cable modem. Out of the
modem is an ethernet (CAT5) cable that goes to the WAN port of your
unidentified Linksys router. You can connect the two computers with
either an ethernet cable (CAT5) to one of the 4ea LAN ports on the
back of the router, or in the case of the unidentified laptop, you
might be able to use wireless if your undisclosed model number Linksys
router just happens to be a wireless router.

>How should things be hooked up so that the desktop can get
>broadband internet and also the laptop can also get to the internet, wired
>to the cable?

See above. I would start with an all wired ethernet system and ignore
the wireless part until you get that working. The WAN side of the
Linksys configuration probably should be set to DHCP. You're header
shows Adelphia, so I'll guess that's your cable ISP. Yeah, they use
DHCP.

If you're lost, dig through the Linksys online help:
http://www.linksys.com/tech_helper/intro.html
before blundering onward.


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Thanks for the reply. Per your request, my Linksys router is model WRK54G,
wireless-G ; I have a dell inspiron 5000e laptop with wireless card. While
I'm in Florida, like now, I use Adelphia cable; while in Ohio, I use Time
Warner Roadrunner cable.

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"Jeff Liebermann" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:11:18 -0400, "Les" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
> >I have 2 computers for 2 internet users, one a laptop and one a desktop.
> >The laptop is primarily used on a desk near a desk that has the desktop
> >computer. I have a linksys router and the laptop has a wireless card.
Also
> >have a Motorola cable modem.
>
> Is there some difficulty in supplying the model numbers of your
> Linksys "router"? Can I presume it's a wireless router? If so, this
> is quite simple.
>
> >When the cable company comes to enable broadband, do I need any other
> >equipment.
>
> Nope. The coax cable goes into the Rotomola cable modem. Out of the
> modem is an ethernet (CAT5) cable that goes to the WAN port of your
> unidentified Linksys router. You can connect the two computers with
> either an ethernet cable (CAT5) to one of the 4ea LAN ports on the
> back of the router, or in the case of the unidentified laptop, you
> might be able to use wireless if your undisclosed model number Linksys
> router just happens to be a wireless router.
>
> >How should things be hooked up so that the desktop can get
> >broadband internet and also the laptop can also get to the internet,
wired
> >to the cable?
>
> See above. I would start with an all wired ethernet system and ignore
> the wireless part until you get that working. The WAN side of the
> Linksys configuration probably should be set to DHCP. You're header
> shows Adelphia, so I'll guess that's your cable ISP. Yeah, they use
> DHCP.
>
> If you're lost, dig through the Linksys online help:
> http://www.linksys.com/tech_helper/intro.html
> before blundering onward.
>
>
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Les <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> I have 2 computers for 2 internet users, one a laptop and one a desktop.
> The laptop is primarily used on a desk near a desk that has the desktop
> computer. I have a linksys router and the laptop has a wireless card. Also
> have a Motorola cable modem.

> When the cable company comes to enable broadband, do I need any other
> equipment. How should things be hooked up so that the desktop can get
> broadband internet and also the laptop can also get to the internet, wired
> to the cable?

To make the cable installer really happy, unplug all the networking. They
want to install a cable modem, verify that you can surf the web, maybe set
up Outlook Express pointing to your new email account on their server, and
leave.

After they leave, they probably don't care if you plug in your router.
They are generally clueless about configuring the router, and it might
prevent them from getting your system onto the internet. The brighter ones
will unplug your router and go directly from the computer to the modem.

When you do plug in your router, you might need to "clone" the MAC address
of the PC used to configure the cable, maybe not. Clues vary according to
which cable company you have, and which model router you have.

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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 17:11:18 -0400, "Les" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
> >I have 2 computers for 2 internet users, one a laptop and one a desktop.
> >The laptop is primarily used on a desk near a desk that has the desktop
> >computer. I have a linksys router and the laptop has a wireless card. Also
> >have a Motorola cable modem.
>
> Is there some difficulty in supplying the model numbers of your
> Linksys "router"? Can I presume it's a wireless router? If so, this
> is quite simple.
>
> >When the cable company comes to enable broadband, do I need any other
> >equipment.
>
> Nope. The coax cable goes into the Rotomola cable modem. Out of the
> modem is an ethernet (CAT5) cable that goes to the WAN port of your
> unidentified Linksys router. You can connect the two computers with
> either an ethernet cable (CAT5) to one of the 4ea LAN ports on the
> back of the router, or in the case of the unidentified laptop, you
> might be able to use wireless if your undisclosed model number Linksys
> router just happens to be a wireless router.
>
> >How should things be hooked up so that the desktop can get
> >broadband internet and also the laptop can also get to the internet, wired
> >to the cable?
>
> See above. I would start with an all wired ethernet system and ignore
> the wireless part until you get that working. The WAN side of the
> Linksys configuration probably should be set to DHCP. You're header
> shows Adelphia, so I'll guess that's your cable ISP. Yeah, they use
> DHCP.
>
> If you're lost, dig through the Linksys online help:
> http://www.linksys.com/tech_helper/intro.html
> before blundering onward.

Great stuff, thanx.
My upstairs neighbor is getting the diy kit from Comcast any day now.
Thinks he can set it up himself. Now he sez we can split it, if I check
into the legality of doing so. I just checked the Comcast site. They
want $150. to network two or more computers. Would you know if it's
illegal or unethical to add my pc??

On 8 Jun 2005 09:49:35 -0700, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:

>My upstairs neighbor is getting the diy kit from Comcast any day now.
>Thinks he can set it up himself. Now he sez we can split it, if I check
>into the legality of doing so. I just checked the Comcast site. They
>want $150. to network two or more computers. Would you know if it's
>illegal or unethical to add my pc??

It's done all the time and nobody seems to be enforcing any type of
restrictions on sharing or reselling the bandwidth. See:
http://www.comcast.net/terms/
which in part proclaims:

Terms of Use:
ix. resell the Service or otherwise make available to anyone
outside the Premises the ability to use the Service (i.e. wi-fi,
or other methods of networking), in whole or in part, directly or
indirectly, or on a bundled or unbundled basis.

x. connect multiple computers behind the cable modem to set up
a LAN (Local Area Network) that in any manner would result
in a violation of the terms of this Policy or an applicable
Service plan;

xx. connect the Comcast Equipment to any computer outside of
your Premises;

Home Networking:
Use of Service. The Subscriber Agreement is hereby modified
solely to permit you to use the Service in connection with
the multiple connection of up to five (5) personal computing
devices within your Premises to the Service (the "Comcast
Home Networking Service")

Note that you have to subscribe to their Home Networking plan in order
to qualify for the aforementioned modifications that allow you to
connect exactly 5.0 computahs to your LAN. Generous of them. If I
have 10 computahs, do I have to pay twice?

Incidentally, Comcast was the company that was sniffing customers
internet traffic to determine how many computers were hidden behind a
firewall. If they found more than one, they would have some
telemarketing mob call the customer and demand an extra $6 per
computer per month. That was about 6 years ago, and they haven't
tried that again, but that should give you a clue as to their
philosophy.

It should be obvious that the attorney's that threw this mess together
didn't have a clue as to how their customers actually use a broadband
wireless connection. To the best of my knowledge, there are very few
of their customers that totally adhere to the Terms of Service and
assorted restrictions. My guess(s) is that they just want to make
sure they have some excuse to kick you off the system should the need
arise. Making everything you do a violation of the contract is a good
way to do that.


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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On 8 Jun 2005 09:49:35 -0700, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>
> >My upstairs neighbor is getting the diy kit from Comcast any day now.
> >Thinks he can set it up himself. Now he sez we can split it, if I check
> >into the legality of doing so. I just checked the Comcast site. They
> >want $150. to network two or more computers. Would you know if it's
> >illegal or unethical to add my pc??
>
> It's done all the time and nobody seems to be enforcing any type of
> restrictions on sharing or reselling the bandwidth. See:
> http://www.comcast.net/terms/
> which in part proclaims:
>
>
> Home Networking:
> Use of Service. The Subscriber Agreement is hereby modified
> solely to permit you to use the Service in connection with
> the multiple connection of up to five (5) personal computing
> devices within your Premises to the Service (the "Comcast
> Home Networking Service")
>
> Note that you have to subscribe to their Home Networking plan in order
> to qualify for the aforementioned modifications that allow you to
> connect exactly 5.0 computahs to your LAN. Generous of them. If I
> have 10 computahs, do I have to pay twice?
>
> Incidentally, Comcast was the company that was sniffing customers
> internet traffic to determine how many computers were hidden behind a
> firewall. If they found more than one, they would have some
> telemarketing mob call the customer and demand an extra $6 per
> computer per month. That was about 6 years ago, and they haven't
> tried that again, but that should give you a clue as to their
> philosophy.
>
> It should be obvious that the attorney's that threw this mess together
> didn't have a clue as to how their customers actually use a broadband
> wireless connection. To the best of my knowledge, there are very few
> of their customers that totally adhere to the Terms of Service and
> assorted restrictions. My guess(s) is that they just want to make
> sure they have some excuse to kick you off the system should the need
> arise. Making everything you do a violation of the contract is a good
> way to do that.
>
Oh, darn...it was right in front of me...the terms....that's probably
why I didn't see it.....

Thanx, that clears it up.

I heard of peeps networking on their own, but always thot it must be
illegal. Think they want a few xtra $$ from each pc, plus the $150 to
set up. (includes their router...such a deal)

That Linksys link you posted should be sufficient, but I went back
today, noticed a whole Networking Basics section. Couldn't access it,
cuz it's only for IE. I use Firefox only. May not need it anyway.

Only confused about one thing...so far. I see constant refs to
"network adaptor".
This pc already has a "3Com Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller"
It looks & sounds like this might qualify as an adaptor.

<Jon L>

On 9 Jun 2005 03:16:34 -0700, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:

>Thanx, that clears it up.

It does? The TOS are about as clear as mud and seem to be generally
ignored. They may also be unenforceable. The question is not whether
you're going to violate them, but to what degree.

>I heard of peeps networking on their own, but always thot it must be
>illegal. Think they want a few xtra $$ from each pc, plus the $150 to
>set up. (includes their router...such a deal)

The Comcast home networking router is a Linksys WCG-200:
http://www.linksys.com/products/prod...id=35&prid=579
It's no more difficult to install than a do it thyself kit or pile of
components. If you don't chose the Home Networking Package, then you
can usually get a substantial rebate on the purchase of the cable
modem. Then, you add your own wireless router. You end up with two
(or three) boxes instead of one, but you gain the versatility of
replacing one or the other when you relocate. For example, wireless
standards standards change all the time and the WCG-200 could easily
get obsolete overnight. You could move and find yourself with a DSL
connection instead of cable. You may want to terminate a VPN in the
router, and find the WCG-200 can't do that. Any of these reasons will
require replacing the entire investment and starting over. With a
component system, you only replace one part.

>That Linksys link you posted should be sufficient, but I went back
>today, noticed a whole Networking Basics section. Couldn't access it,
>cuz it's only for IE. I use Firefox only. May not need it anyway.
>
>Only confused about one thing...so far. I see constant refs to
>"network adaptor".
>This pc already has a "3Com Integrated Fast Ethernet Controller"
>It looks & sounds like this might qualify as an adaptor.

That's it. You already have an "ethernet adapter" or "NIC". You need
that to connect a CAT5 ethernet cable between your computah and the
router. It's a good idea to setup or upgrade the firmware of the
router using a wired connection instead of via wireless.

><Jon L>

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