The correct Rout-er to go.

I am not familiar with Routers using at present the Binatone ADSL 500
USB provided by PlusNet to connect. I want to go the "Router" way but
have been bewildered by the multitude of Systems and hardware being
offered together with the same variety of opinions being offered.
I have looked at a Lynksys G and also a second smaller piece of
equipment to go with it for USB. The first part costing around £79 and
the second £39. I understand having the USB bit gives me greater
flexibility and is instead of fitting an external unit.
I am totally out of my dept and need advice, I need to know the model
and system I should go for and also how to set up my daughter with a
laptop sharing my system in another part of our house. Also, can I set
it up myself or should I "phone a friend" to do so.
Your advice would be appreciated,
--
Derrick Fawsitt

Derrick Fawsitt wrote

> I am not familiar with Routers using at present the Binatone ADSL 500
> USB provided by PlusNet to connect. I want to go the "Router" way but
> have been bewildered by the multitude of Systems and hardware being
> offered together with the same variety of opinions being offered.
> I have looked at a Lynksys G and also a second smaller piece of
> equipment to go with it for USB. The first part costing around £79 and
> the second £39. I understand having the USB bit gives me greater
> flexibility and is instead of fitting an external unit.
> I am totally out of my dept and need advice, I need to know the model
> and system I should go for and also how to set up my daughter with a
> laptop sharing my system in another part of our house. Also, can I set
> it up myself or should I "phone a friend" to do so.
> Your advice would be appreciated,
>


Derek - I've known you a long time.
Please phone a friend. You know it makes sense.

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:03:15 +0000, Derrick Fawsitt
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I have looked at a Lynksys G and also a second smaller piece of
>equipment to go with it for USB. The first part costing around £79 and
>the second £39. I understand having the USB bit gives me greater
>flexibility and is instead of fitting an external unit.

that is for wireless, do you want wireless ? £50 + £25 for Linksys kit
in Tesco stores.

Phil
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In message <4364e565$0$64082$(E-Mail Removed) ws.net>,
MinusNet <(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>Derrick Fawsitt wrote
>
>> I am not familiar with Routers using at present the Binatone ADSL 500
>> USB provided by PlusNet to connect. I want to go the "Router" way but
>> have been bewildered by the multitude of Systems and hardware being
>> offered together with the same variety of opinions being offered.
>> I have looked at a Lynksys G and also a second smaller piece of
>> equipment to go with it for USB. The first part costing around £79 and
>> the second £39. I understand having the USB bit gives me greater
>> flexibility and is instead of fitting an external unit.
>> I am totally out of my dept and need advice, I need to know the model
>> and system I should go for and also how to set up my daughter with a
>> laptop sharing my system in another part of our house. Also, can I set
>> it up myself or should I "phone a friend" to do so.
>> Your advice would be appreciated,
>>
>
>
>Derek - I've known you a long time.
>Please phone a friend. You know it makes sense.

Ah well if you know me such a long time you will also know that I am not
entirely without knowledge of IT but in this Newsgroup there are so many
people asking a similar question to the above that to just ask it again
"might" not get a sympathetic response and in the circumstances I would
not blame them. Therefore, to try and get one of the undoubted experts
in this Newsgroup to come back with some kind of "definitive" answer I
tried to provoke a reply by relating the name of a router I was offered
in a local shop and which I have also seen mentioned in this NG.
I have in fact been recommended the same product, (so it must be an
acceptable solution but at an infinitely better price from Tescos who I
did not even realise sold routers. I have therefore achieved something
and am grateful to the other poster.
As to your response, please note I sign my name and my email address is
clearly and openly documented for all to see so I don't need to hide
under a pseudonym.
You say you know me, you have me at a disadvantage, you also say it
makes sense to "phone a friend" so as you know me you must be able to
suggest the friend.
--
Derrick Fawsitt

In message <(E-Mail Removed)>, Phil Thompson
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:03:15 +0000, Derrick Fawsitt
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>I have looked at a Lynksys G and also a second smaller piece of
>>equipment to go with it for USB. The first part costing around £79 and
>>the second £39. I understand having the USB bit gives me greater
>>flexibility and is instead of fitting an external unit.
>
>that is for wireless, do you want wireless ?
Yes Phil.
> £50 + £25 for Linksys kit
>in Tesco stores.
As I said in my response to another poster, I did not know Tesco's sold
routers so you have not only confirmed the hardware is OK but
potentially saved me some money. I only hope I can install it as I have
read in this NG from time to time some routers can be problematic to
install if you don't know what you are doing.

Thanks again Phil.
>
>Phil
A PS to the above if I may, a friend of mine who runs a mail order
business and holds lots of personal details and credit card numbers on
their Computer wants to take my recommendation to go for ADSL but in
worried about security. I told her if she has a router she is going to
be safer and she asked me to provide some details as to a list of
requirements she would need to set up a safe and secure system.
Unfortunately, until I have set myself up and gained some experience
with routers I am in no position to advise. However, I said I would
mention it here in case anyone could send me the details she requires.
She runs a mail order system selling books all over the world.

Regards,
--
Derrick Fawsitt

Derrick Fawsitt wrote


> >Derek - I've known you a long time.
> >Please phone a friend. You know it makes sense.
>
> Ah well if you know me such a long time you will also know that I am not
> entirely without knowledge of IT but in this Newsgroup there are so many
> people asking a similar question to the above that to just ask it again
> "might" not get a sympathetic response and in the circumstances I would
> not blame them. Therefore, to try and get one of the undoubted experts
> in this Newsgroup to come back with some kind of "definitive" answer I
> tried to provoke a reply by relating the name of a router I was offered
> in a local shop and which I have also seen mentioned in this NG.

There is no definitive router when you've not explained how you want to
use one. For example - are the computers going to be in the same room?
Will one be moved around the property?


> I have in fact been recommended the same product, (so it must be an
> acceptable solution but at an infinitely better price from Tescos who I
> did not even realise sold routers. I have therefore achieved something
> and am grateful to the other poster.

I'd checkout Google/Froogle for a price comparison. Tesco might have
the router, but would they have an accessories you might require. I'm
not going to suggest a router. Mine has it's been up and running
without a problem for over 2 years, I'm not in the market to replace it.


> As to your response, please note I sign my name and my email address is
> clearly and openly documented for all to see so I don't need to hide
> under a pseudonym.

You choice. I hope your daughter is going to be more careful about
giving out her details on the interweb.


> You say you know me, you have me at a disadvantage, you also say it
> makes sense to "phone a friend" so as you know me you must be able to
> suggest the friend.
>

I've said in a previous thread where I've seen you blundering around in
the past.

Derrick Fawsitt wrote


> A PS to the above if I may, a friend of mine who runs a mail order
> business and holds lots of personal details and credit card numbers on
> their Computer wants to take my recommendation to go for ADSL but in
> worried about security. I told her if she has a router she is going to
> be safer and she asked me to provide some details as to a list of
> requirements she would need to set up a safe and secure system.
> Unfortunately, until I have set myself up and gained some experience
> with routers I am in no position to advise. However, I said I would
> mention it here in case anyone could send me the details she requires.
> She runs a mail order system selling books all over the world.
>

Simple. Don't connect the computer with all the CC and customer info to
the interweb. One fuckup traced back to her could ruin her business in
a day. If she wants to sell over the net using CC's and the like, she'd
be best advised to use a third party, like SecPay, and pay them to worry
about the security. Take a look at how similar companies operate and if
she likes the way they work - ask for info from them.

On 30 Oct 2005 23:30, Derrick Fawsitt wrote:

>a friend of mine who runs a mail order business and holds lots of
>personal details and credit card numbers on their Computer wants to
>take my recommendation to go for ADSL but in worried about security.

Keeping it completely separate from the internet is by far the safest
way for her to proceed, and to use another PC (eg one of those 150 quid
Mandrake Linux units from Dabs or similar) with a s/h monitor or a full
system from a local PC store, so she can use one online, and keep those
customer details safe. I trust that she has adequate backup facilities
and is either registered to hold the details, or falls into one of the
exempt categories. Peter M.

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:30:00 +0000, Derrick Fawsitt
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>As I said in my response to another poster, I did not know Tesco's sold
>routers so you have not only confirmed the hardware is OK but
>potentially saved me some money. I only hope I can install it as I have
>read in this NG from time to time some routers can be problematic to
>install if you don't know what you are doing.

the installation is relatively trivial (plug into phone line, power
supply, ethernet connection to PC). Configuration can be simple too,
providing you have the relevant details to hand - ideally a "how to
set up xyz ISP" page with the necessary info.

>A PS to the above if I may, a friend of mine who runs a mail order
>business and holds lots of personal details and credit card numbers on
>their Computer wants to take my recommendation to go for ADSL but in
>worried about security. I told her if she has a router she is going to
>be safer and she asked me to provide some details as to a list of
>requirements she would need to set up a safe and secure system.

A router is usually safer than a modem as it keeps the external IP
address to itself. As it has less holes in its security than the
average PC this is A Good Thing(tm)

A router with a full firewall - "Stateful Packet Inspection" - will
provide additional protection over the usual NAT routing.

There is an argument against using wireless, as that would potentially
allow access from outside her premises (small probability). Several
wired-only routers to choose from at
http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop...p?CategoryID=1

perhaps
http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop...?ProductID=725
or
http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop...ProductID=2215

The PC should have antivirus and anti-spyware software running and
kept up to date. It would also be prudent to remove Outlook Express
and use more secure email clients like Thunderbird and a browser like
Opera that isn't so embedded into Windows and hence vulnerable to
attack.

Phil
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