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Apollyon
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      06-02-2004, 07:39 AM
I want two computers that are a part of the same domain to be able to
connect to each other, even though they're on different networks.

This was possible, or at least seemed to be, through Windows 2000 Advance
Server, and I'm wondering how to do it through Windows Server 2003 Standard
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Phillip Windell
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      06-02-2004, 09:00 PM
Functinality across networks is achieved with a Router. It you don't have a
Router or haven't setup a Windows machine to act as a Router then you are
wasting your time.

299810 - HOW TO: Configure Windows 2000 to Be a Router
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;299810

In the other thread you said that one of the Networks was not supposed to
get to the Internet. That is accomplished by whatever device makes the
Internet possible and has no relationship to having both networks see each
other.

BUT....as I recall from the other thread,..one of your networks runs Public
IP#s and the other runs Private IP#s. This means your Publicly addressed
Network probably already see the Internet directly on its own via a simple
Router,...that's not a real good idea but that is another topic. Your
Privately addressed Network will not be able to contact the Internet because
Private IP Blocks are not compatible with the Internet.
Any Internet Host out there will not be able to respond back to any request
from a machine or device running a Privte IP#. Private addressed Networks
require either a NAT Server or a Proxy Server to function with the Internet.

As an extra measure, your Router between the Publicly addresses Network and
the Internet should be configured to disallow any traffic involving in any
way the official RFC Private Address Blocks. These Blocks are:

10.0.0.0 -- 10.255.255.255
172.16.0.0 -- 172.31.255.255
192.168.0.0 -- 192.168.255.255

It should also include 127.0.0.0 -- 127.255.255.255

Thes blocks should be for *any* direction regaurdless if it is the Source or
Destination IP#.


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Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com


"Apollyon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I want two computers that are a part of the same domain to be able to
> connect to each other, even though they're on different networks.
>
> This was possible, or at least seemed to be, through Windows 2000 Advance
> Server, and I'm wondering how to do it through Windows Server 2003

Standard
> Edition
>
>
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Apollyon
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      06-02-2004, 09:17 PM
Alright, I understand that ... And that makes sense. I actually should've
realized that already :P

But the real problem I'm facing right now is that the routing doesn't seem
to work.

I enabled LAN Routing, I have the four interfaces in General (Local Area
Connection, Local Area Connection 2, Loopback, Internal) ... Is there some
other step I'm supposed to take? The article seemed to suggest just enabling
LAN Routing was enough.

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Apollyon

"Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Functinality across networks is achieved with a Router. It you don't have

a
> Router or haven't setup a Windows machine to act as a Router then you are
> wasting your time.
>
> 299810 - HOW TO: Configure Windows 2000 to Be a Router
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;299810
>
> In the other thread you said that one of the Networks was not supposed to
> get to the Internet. That is accomplished by whatever device makes the
> Internet possible and has no relationship to having both networks see each
> other.
>
> BUT....as I recall from the other thread,..one of your networks runs

Public
> IP#s and the other runs Private IP#s. This means your Publicly addressed
> Network probably already see the Internet directly on its own via a simple
> Router,...that's not a real good idea but that is another topic. Your
> Privately addressed Network will not be able to contact the Internet

because
> Private IP Blocks are not compatible with the Internet.
> Any Internet Host out there will not be able to respond back to any

request
> from a machine or device running a Privte IP#. Private addressed Networks
> require either a NAT Server or a Proxy Server to function with the

Internet.
>
> As an extra measure, your Router between the Publicly addresses Network

and
> the Internet should be configured to disallow any traffic involving in any
> way the official RFC Private Address Blocks. These Blocks are:
>
> 10.0.0.0 -- 10.255.255.255
> 172.16.0.0 -- 172.31.255.255
> 192.168.0.0 -- 192.168.255.255
>
> It should also include 127.0.0.0 -- 127.255.255.255
>
> Thes blocks should be for *any* direction regaurdless if it is the Source

or
> Destination IP#.
>
>
> --
>
> Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
> www.wandtv.com
>
>
> "Apollyon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:40bd84b3$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I want two computers that are a part of the same domain to be able to
> > connect to each other, even though they're on different networks.
> >
> > This was possible, or at least seemed to be, through Windows 2000

Advance
> > Server, and I'm wondering how to do it through Windows Server 2003

> Standard
> > Edition
> >
> >
> >
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      06-02-2004, 09:37 PM
All Clients must use the "Router" as the Default Gateway. They use the IP#
that directly faces them.

Other than that you'd have to clarify "...doesn't work...".

--

Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com


"Apollyon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:40be4454$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Alright, I understand that ... And that makes sense. I actually should've
> realized that already :P
>
> But the real problem I'm facing right now is that the routing doesn't seem
> to work.
>
> I enabled LAN Routing, I have the four interfaces in General (Local Area
> Connection, Local Area Connection 2, Loopback, Internal) ... Is there some
> other step I'm supposed to take? The article seemed to suggest just

enabling
> LAN Routing was enough.
>
> --
> Apollyon
>
> "Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Functinality across networks is achieved with a Router. It you don't

have
> a
> > Router or haven't setup a Windows machine to act as a Router then you

are
> > wasting your time.
> >
> > 299810 - HOW TO: Configure Windows 2000 to Be a Router
> > http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;299810
> >
> > In the other thread you said that one of the Networks was not supposed

to
> > get to the Internet. That is accomplished by whatever device makes the
> > Internet possible and has no relationship to having both networks see

each
> > other.
> >
> > BUT....as I recall from the other thread,..one of your networks runs

> Public
> > IP#s and the other runs Private IP#s. This means your Publicly

addressed
> > Network probably already see the Internet directly on its own via a

simple
> > Router,...that's not a real good idea but that is another topic. Your
> > Privately addressed Network will not be able to contact the Internet

> because
> > Private IP Blocks are not compatible with the Internet.
> > Any Internet Host out there will not be able to respond back to any

> request
> > from a machine or device running a Privte IP#. Private addressed

Networks
> > require either a NAT Server or a Proxy Server to function with the

> Internet.
> >
> > As an extra measure, your Router between the Publicly addresses Network

> and
> > the Internet should be configured to disallow any traffic involving in

any
> > way the official RFC Private Address Blocks. These Blocks are:
> >
> > 10.0.0.0 -- 10.255.255.255
> > 172.16.0.0 -- 172.31.255.255
> > 192.168.0.0 -- 192.168.255.255
> >
> > It should also include 127.0.0.0 -- 127.255.255.255
> >
> > Thes blocks should be for *any* direction regaurdless if it is the

Source
> or
> > Destination IP#.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
> > www.wandtv.com
> >
> >
> > "Apollyon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:40bd84b3$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > I want two computers that are a part of the same domain to be able to
> > > connect to each other, even though they're on different networks.
> > >
> > > This was possible, or at least seemed to be, through Windows 2000

> Advance
> > > Server, and I'm wondering how to do it through Windows Server 2003

> > Standard
> > > Edition
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >

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>
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Apollyon
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      06-02-2004, 10:37 PM
Okay that was the problem, yes.

Once I changed the default gateway of the computer, one computer could ping
the other.

Kind of a question on the same topic ... I can connect to the computer by
saying \\netbiosname but I can't see it when I'm browsing in the Domain ...
Just curious if that's indicative of some kind of problem or just a side
effect of the NetBIOS protocol not being routable?

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Apollyon

"Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> All Clients must use the "Router" as the Default Gateway. They use the IP#
> that directly faces them.
>
> Other than that you'd have to clarify "...doesn't work...".
>
> --
>
> Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
> www.wandtv.com
>
>
> "Apollyon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:40be4454$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Alright, I understand that ... And that makes sense. I actually

should've
> > realized that already :P
> >
> > But the real problem I'm facing right now is that the routing doesn't

seem
> > to work.
> >
> > I enabled LAN Routing, I have the four interfaces in General (Local Area
> > Connection, Local Area Connection 2, Loopback, Internal) ... Is there

some
> > other step I'm supposed to take? The article seemed to suggest just

> enabling
> > LAN Routing was enough.
> >
> > --
> > Apollyon
> >
> > "Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > Functinality across networks is achieved with a Router. It you don't

> have
> > a
> > > Router or haven't setup a Windows machine to act as a Router then you

> are
> > > wasting your time.
> > >
> > > 299810 - HOW TO: Configure Windows 2000 to Be a Router
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;299810
> > >
> > > In the other thread you said that one of the Networks was not supposed

> to
> > > get to the Internet. That is accomplished by whatever device makes

the
> > > Internet possible and has no relationship to having both networks see

> each
> > > other.
> > >
> > > BUT....as I recall from the other thread,..one of your networks runs

> > Public
> > > IP#s and the other runs Private IP#s. This means your Publicly

> addressed
> > > Network probably already see the Internet directly on its own via a

> simple
> > > Router,...that's not a real good idea but that is another topic.

Your
> > > Privately addressed Network will not be able to contact the Internet

> > because
> > > Private IP Blocks are not compatible with the Internet.
> > > Any Internet Host out there will not be able to respond back to any

> > request
> > > from a machine or device running a Privte IP#. Private addressed

> Networks
> > > require either a NAT Server or a Proxy Server to function with the

> > Internet.
> > >
> > > As an extra measure, your Router between the Publicly addresses

Network
> > and
> > > the Internet should be configured to disallow any traffic involving in

> any
> > > way the official RFC Private Address Blocks. These Blocks are:
> > >
> > > 10.0.0.0 -- 10.255.255.255
> > > 172.16.0.0 -- 172.31.255.255
> > > 192.168.0.0 -- 192.168.255.255
> > >
> > > It should also include 127.0.0.0 -- 127.255.255.255
> > >
> > > Thes blocks should be for *any* direction regaurdless if it is the

> Source
> > or
> > > Destination IP#.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
> > > www.wandtv.com
> > >
> > >
> > > "Apollyon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > news:40bd84b3$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > I want two computers that are a part of the same domain to be able

to
> > > > connect to each other, even though they're on different networks.
> > > >
> > > > This was possible, or at least seemed to be, through Windows 2000

> > Advance
> > > > Server, and I'm wondering how to do it through Windows Server 2003
> > > Standard
> > > > Edition
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >

> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----

>
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      06-03-2004, 03:29 PM
Netbios "name" broadcast don't cross Routers. You have to use a WINS
Server. Net'Hood is a separate thing. It is based on a list stored on the
one machine that is "elected" as the master browser. Net'Hood only shows
what's in this list and has no bearing on whether the particular machine is
accessable or not. For the master browser to keep a good current list you
must run a WINS Server and probably should make sure that "Netbios over
TCP/IP" is enabled on all the effected machines.

--

Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com

"Apollyon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:40be5718$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Okay that was the problem, yes.
>
> Once I changed the default gateway of the computer, one computer could

ping
> the other.
>
> Kind of a question on the same topic ... I can connect to the computer by
> saying \\netbiosname but I can't see it when I'm browsing in the Domain

....
> Just curious if that's indicative of some kind of problem or just a side
> effect of the NetBIOS protocol not being routable?
>
> --
> Apollyon
>
> "Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > All Clients must use the "Router" as the Default Gateway. They use the

IP#
> > that directly faces them.
> >
> > Other than that you'd have to clarify "...doesn't work...".
> >
> > --
> >
> > Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
> > www.wandtv.com
> >
> >
> > "Apollyon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:40be4454$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > Alright, I understand that ... And that makes sense. I actually

> should've
> > > realized that already :P
> > >
> > > But the real problem I'm facing right now is that the routing doesn't

> seem
> > > to work.
> > >
> > > I enabled LAN Routing, I have the four interfaces in General (Local

Area
> > > Connection, Local Area Connection 2, Loopback, Internal) ... Is there

> some
> > > other step I'm supposed to take? The article seemed to suggest just

> > enabling
> > > LAN Routing was enough.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Apollyon
> > >
> > > "Phillip Windell" <@.> wrote in message
> > > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > Functinality across networks is achieved with a Router. It you don't

> > have
> > > a
> > > > Router or haven't setup a Windows machine to act as a Router then

you
> > are
> > > > wasting your time.
> > > >
> > > > 299810 - HOW TO: Configure Windows 2000 to Be a Router
> > > > http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;299810
> > > >
> > > > In the other thread you said that one of the Networks was not

supposed
> > to
> > > > get to the Internet. That is accomplished by whatever device makes

> the
> > > > Internet possible and has no relationship to having both networks

see
> > each
> > > > other.
> > > >
> > > > BUT....as I recall from the other thread,..one of your networks runs
> > > Public
> > > > IP#s and the other runs Private IP#s. This means your Publicly

> > addressed
> > > > Network probably already see the Internet directly on its own via a

> > simple
> > > > Router,...that's not a real good idea but that is another topic.

> Your
> > > > Privately addressed Network will not be able to contact the Internet
> > > because
> > > > Private IP Blocks are not compatible with the Internet.
> > > > Any Internet Host out there will not be able to respond back to any
> > > request
> > > > from a machine or device running a Privte IP#. Private addressed

> > Networks
> > > > require either a NAT Server or a Proxy Server to function with the
> > > Internet.
> > > >
> > > > As an extra measure, your Router between the Publicly addresses

> Network
> > > and
> > > > the Internet should be configured to disallow any traffic involving

in
> > any
> > > > way the official RFC Private Address Blocks. These Blocks are:
> > > >
> > > > 10.0.0.0 -- 10.255.255.255
> > > > 172.16.0.0 -- 172.31.255.255
> > > > 192.168.0.0 -- 192.168.255.255
> > > >
> > > > It should also include 127.0.0.0 -- 127.255.255.255
> > > >
> > > > Thes blocks should be for *any* direction regaurdless if it is the

> > Source
> > > or
> > > > Destination IP#.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
> > > > www.wandtv.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Apollyon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > news:40bd84b3$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > I want two computers that are a part of the same domain to be able

> to
> > > > > connect to each other, even though they're on different networks.
> > > > >
> > > > > This was possible, or at least seemed to be, through Windows 2000
> > > Advance
> > > > > Server, and I'm wondering how to do it through Windows Server 2003
> > > > Standard
> > > > > Edition
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > >
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> >
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