Conecting two PCs to Broadband via a router

At present I have a simple network by joining my PCs with a crossover cable
and I can access Wanadoo Broadband from either as long as both are switched
on.
If I altered my system using a router which would allow each to access the
Internet separately without the other being switched on, would the
Speedtouch modem be connected to the router giving a common connection or do
I have to have separate Speedtouch modems for each PC?
Blair

In article <dijaoi$9ht$(E-Mail Removed)>,
"Blair" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> At present I have a simple network by joining my PCs with a crossover cable
> and I can access Wanadoo Broadband from either as long as both are switched
> on.
> If I altered my system using a router which would allow each to access the
> Internet separately without the other being switched on, would the
> Speedtouch modem be connected to the router giving a common connection or do
> I have to have separate Speedtouch modems for each PC?
> Blair

If you buy a combined modem/router (most that advertised as ADSL are, if
it says DSL on the box check) then the router will have an integrated
modem, so you hook it direct to your phone socket and connect the PCs
and away you go.

cheers,
Paul
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Blair <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> At present I have a simple network by joining my PCs with a crossover
> cable and I can access Wanadoo Broadband from either as long as both
> are switched on.
> If I altered my system using a router which would allow each to
> access the Internet separately without the other being switched on,
> would the Speedtouch modem be connected to the router giving a common
> connection or do I have to have separate Speedtouch modems for each
> PC?
> Blair

Neither! Throw the Speedtouch away and get an ADSL/Modem/Router which
connects directly to the ADSL socket and shares the connection with the PCs
through wired or wireless network connections. Assuming that the Speedtouch
is USB, it won't work with a router which doesn't haven't its own modem
anyway - 'cos you'd need an ethernet jobby.

If you're using wired connections (which is best unless you really *need*
wireless) each PC will connect to the router using a straight-through cable,
and you won't need your cross-over cable any more. [Actually, most routers
have auto-sensing ports which will work with straight-through or cross-over
cables - so you probably could use it for one of the PCs if you so wished].
The computers will then have independent internet access as long as the
router is running, and will no longer rely on each other.
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Tim
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"Paul Hutchings" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> In article <dijaoi$9ht$(E-Mail Removed)>,
> "Blair" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> > At present I have a simple network by joining my PCs with a crossover
cable
> > and I can access Wanadoo Broadband from either as long as both are
switched
> > on.
> > If I altered my system using a router which would allow each to access
the
> > Internet separately without the other being switched on, would the
> > Speedtouch modem be connected to the router giving a common connection
or do
> > I have to have separate Speedtouch modems for each PC?
> > Blair
>
> If you buy a combined modem/router (most that advertised as ADSL are, if
> it says DSL on the box check) then the router will have an integrated
> modem, so you hook it direct to your phone socket and connect the PCs
> and away you go.
>
> cheers,
> Paul
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Thanks Paul for your help
Blair

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> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Blair <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> > At present I have a simple network by joining my PCs with a crossover
> > cable and I can access Wanadoo Broadband from either as long as both
> > are switched on.
> > If I altered my system using a router which would allow each to
> > access the Internet separately without the other being switched on,
> > would the Speedtouch modem be connected to the router giving a common
> > connection or do I have to have separate Speedtouch modems for each
> > PC?
> > Blair
>
> Neither! Throw the Speedtouch away and get an ADSL/Modem/Router which
> connects directly to the ADSL socket and shares the connection with the
PCs
> through wired or wireless network connections. Assuming that the
Speedtouch
> is USB, it won't work with a router which doesn't haven't its own modem
> anyway - 'cos you'd need an ethernet jobby.
>
> If you're using wired connections (which is best unless you really *need*
> wireless) each PC will connect to the router using a straight-through
cable,
> and you won't need your cross-over cable any more. [Actually, most routers
> have auto-sensing ports which will work with straight-through or
cross-over
> cables - so you probably could use it for one of the PCs if you so
wished].
> The computers will then have independent internet access as long as the
> router is running, and will no longer rely on each other.
> --
> Cheers,
> Tim
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>
Thanks Tim for your very comprehensive reply. You have made it absolutely
clear.
I now have to make up my mind whether it is worth the time and expense
changing.
I use my old PC mainly as a backup storage device and would use it as a PC
only if my main PC went down.
In that case because my main PC is the control PC I would be stuck
Having a router would enable me to carry on regardless.
Decisions, decisions!!
Blair

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Blair <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>>
> Thanks Tim for your very comprehensive reply. You have made it
> absolutely clear.
> I now have to make up my mind whether it is worth the time and expense
> changing.
> I use my old PC mainly as a backup storage device and would use it as
> a PC only if my main PC went down.
> In that case because my main PC is the control PC I would be stuck
> Having a router would enable me to carry on regardless.
> Decisions, decisions!!
> Blair

In my view, it's worth using a router even if you've only got one PC -
because of the added security which you get from NAT at very least, and
possibly an SPI firewall, depending on model.
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Cheers,
Tim
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> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Blair <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >>
> > Thanks Tim for your very comprehensive reply. You have made it
> > absolutely clear.
> > I now have to make up my mind whether it is worth the time and expense
> > changing.
> > I use my old PC mainly as a backup storage device and would use it as
> > a PC only if my main PC went down.
> > In that case because my main PC is the control PC I would be stuck
> > Having a router would enable me to carry on regardless.
> > Decisions, decisions!!
> > Blair
>
> In my view, it's worth using a router even if you've only got one PC -
> because of the added security which you get from NAT at very least, and
> possibly an SPI firewall, depending on model.
> --
> Cheers,
> Tim
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>
I have been investigating the various makes of ADSL Routers and have homed
in on the Netgear DG834G which from all the reports I have read seems the
best.
At present PC World are selling the DG834G which comes with an WG111 adapter
for £89.99.
If I compare other makes and add the cost of an adapter the cost is
reasonable and cheaper in some cases.
At least I could have my Laptop with the adapter and use the connecting
cable for the desktop.
Sounds sensible?
Blair

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Blair <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> "Tiscali Tim" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
>> Blair <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> Thanks Tim for your very comprehensive reply. You have made it
>>> absolutely clear.
>>> I now have to make up my mind whether it is worth the time and
>>> expense changing.
>>> I use my old PC mainly as a backup storage device and would use it
>>> as a PC only if my main PC went down.
>>> In that case because my main PC is the control PC I would be stuck
>>> Having a router would enable me to carry on regardless.
>>> Decisions, decisions!!
>>> Blair
>>
>> In my view, it's worth using a router even if you've only got one PC
>> - because of the added security which you get from NAT at very
>> least, and possibly an SPI firewall, depending on model.
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Tim
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>>
> I have been investigating the various makes of ADSL Routers and have
> homed in on the Netgear DG834G which from all the reports I have read
> seems the best.
> At present PC World are selling the DG834G which comes with an WG111
> adapter for £89.99.
> If I compare other makes and add the cost of an adapter the cost is
> reasonable and cheaper in some cases.
> At least I could have my Laptop with the adapter and use the
> connecting cable for the desktop.
> Sounds sensible?
> Blair

If you have a wireless router, it's certainly sensible to have at least one
*wired* connection. It's much safer to configure the router via a wired
connection. If you do it with a wireless connection and accidentally foul up
in a way which stops the router from talking to the wireless connection,
you're stuffed!

Are you sure that that you really *need* wireless? A 4-port wired router is
cheaper and avoids all the security issues associated with wireless. You can
get a ZyXEL 650H-E from BroadbandBuyer for less than half the price of an
834G - or an even cheaper one from Ebuyer, but I'd avoid the latter one. But
the ZyXEL works like a dream. (The model number may have changed slightly
since I bought mine).

If you *do* go wireless, make sure that you gen up on - and implement - WPA
encryption and MAC address filtering to make it as difficult as possible for
all the world and his dog to gatecrash your network.
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Tim
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"Tiscali Tim" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> Blair <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> > "Tiscali Tim" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> >> Blair <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>> Thanks Tim for your very comprehensive reply. You have made it
> >>> absolutely clear.
> >>> I now have to make up my mind whether it is worth the time and
> >>> expense changing.
> >>> I use my old PC mainly as a backup storage device and would use it
> >>> as a PC only if my main PC went down.
> >>> In that case because my main PC is the control PC I would be stuck
> >>> Having a router would enable me to carry on regardless.
> >>> Decisions, decisions!!
> >>> Blair
> >>
> >> In my view, it's worth using a router even if you've only got one PC
> >> - because of the added security which you get from NAT at very
> >> least, and possibly an SPI firewall, depending on model.
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >> Tim
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> >>
> > I have been investigating the various makes of ADSL Routers and have
> > homed in on the Netgear DG834G which from all the reports I have read
> > seems the best.
> > At present PC World are selling the DG834G which comes with an WG111
> > adapter for £89.99.
> > If I compare other makes and add the cost of an adapter the cost is
> > reasonable and cheaper in some cases.
> > At least I could have my Laptop with the adapter and use the
> > connecting cable for the desktop.
> > Sounds sensible?
> > Blair
>
> If you have a wireless router, it's certainly sensible to have at least
one
> *wired* connection. It's much safer to configure the router via a wired
> connection. If you do it with a wireless connection and accidentally foul
up
> in a way which stops the router from talking to the wireless connection,
> you're stuffed!
>
> Are you sure that that you really *need* wireless? A 4-port wired router
is
> cheaper and avoids all the security issues associated with wireless. You
can
> get a ZyXEL 650H-E from BroadbandBuyer for less than half the price of an
> 834G - or an even cheaper one from Ebuyer, but I'd avoid the latter one.
But
> the ZyXEL works like a dream. (The model number may have changed slightly
> since I bought mine).
>
> If you *do* go wireless, make sure that you gen up on - and implement -
WPA
> encryption and MAC address filtering to make it as difficult as possible
for
> all the world and his dog to gatecrash your network.
> --
> Cheers,
> Tim
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Thanks for your advice Tim,
No I don't really require wireless and will take your advice.
I looked up BroadBand and the nearest one is ZyXEL Prestige 660H ADSL
Security Router at £52.03. A big saving!
It stated that the system requires an ethernet adapter and a RJ45 cable
Included with the router is ethernet cable and RJ45-11 cable. What is this
ethernet adapter ?
Also I have microfilters fitted to both my phones supplies by Wanadoo with
their Speedtouch modem. Will I have to buy ZyXEL microfilters?
Regards
Blair

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Blair <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
> Thanks for your advice Tim,
> No I don't really require wireless and will take your advice.
> I looked up BroadBand and the nearest one is ZyXEL Prestige 660H ADSL
> Security Router at £52.03. A big saving!
> It stated that the system requires an ethernet adapter and a RJ45
> cable Included with the router is ethernet cable and RJ45-11 cable.
> What is this ethernet adapter ?

It's talking about a standard network connection on your computer. Most
modern computers have a network card (or the equivalent implemented on the
motherboard) with an ethernet (RJ45) socket. So the cable supplied with the
router should plug into this port on your computer.

You will need another cable for your other (laptop?) computer. This computer
may also have a network port. If not, you should be able to get a PCMCIA
network card for it.

> Also I have microfilters fitted to both my phones supplies by Wanadoo
> with their Speedtouch modem. Will I have to buy ZyXEL microfilters?

Use the existing filters - just plug the router in where the Speedtouch
currently is.

Good luck. I'm off on holiday for a week and a bit early Sunday morning, so
this will be my last post for a while.
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Tim
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