Coming soon to Virgin Media cable connections.

This is now applied to Virgin ADSL customers, and will no doubt be
extended to Cable customers.


Application Management:

Application Management is really simple. We have a set of rules that
manages how much bandwidth is allocated to a specific list of
applications and protocols during peak periods. The rules apply to
everyone on the network who is using these application and protocols
during the peak period. Outside of peak periods, Application Management
does not apply. Right now, the peak period for Application Management is
Monday to Friday 4pm till 1am, and all day at the weekend.

Peak periods for Application Management may vary from time to time. This
enables us to adapt the service to seasonal variations in demand, as
well as the ever-changing ways in which customers use the internet

Everything from P2P, Usenet progs, to a normal web browser will be
affected.


http://www.virgin.net/helpme/broadba...s_traffic.html

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:40:33 +0100, "Gonz" <T o p @ S e c r e t . c o
m> wrote:

>This is now applied to Virgin ADSL customers, and will no doubt be
>extended to Cable customers.
>
>
>Application Management:
>
>Application Management is really simple. We have a set of rules that
>manages how much bandwidth is allocated to a specific list of
>applications and protocols during peak periods. The rules apply to
>everyone on the network who is using these application and protocols
>during the peak period. Outside of peak periods, Application Management
>does not apply. Right now, the peak period for Application Management is
>Monday to Friday 4pm till 1am, and all day at the weekend.
>
>Peak periods for Application Management may vary from time to time. This
>enables us to adapt the service to seasonal variations in demand, as
>well as the ever-changing ways in which customers use the internet
>
>Everything from P2P, Usenet progs, to a normal web browser will be
>affected.
>
>
>http://www.virgin.net/helpme/broadba...s_traffic.html

Which includes:

"At present, your speed won't be moderated unless you're in the top 5%
of downloaders. Our boffins recently ran a trial to see how much our
service was being affected. They discovered that, in certain areas,
customers were downloading such a large amount of content that it was
affecting the service for other users in these areas.

And we're not talking about just a few video clips. In some cases the
top 5% of users were downloading as much as 2GB, just during peak
times each week. That's around 500 music tracks in the space of a few
hours."

Ands

"Peak times run from 4pm till midnight."

This suggests customers who download 2GBytes per week during the peak
period are an extreme example of the top 5% of downloaders. I'm sure
someone will correct my maths if I'm wrong, but isn't that equivalent
to abut 36MBytes per hour, which is about double the maximum speed we
got from 56k modems?
--
Martin Jay

Martin Jay <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> This suggests customers who download 2GBytes per week during the peak
> period are an extreme example of the top 5% of downloaders. I'm sure
> someone will correct my maths if I'm wrong, but isn't that equivalent
> to abut 36MBytes per hour, which is about double the maximum speed we
> got from 56k modems?

That's about 8GB/month, which isn't much more than many ADSL ISPs' 'basic'
or 'intermediate' packages.

Do they mean 2GB/day, ie 60GB/month?

Theo

"Martin Jay" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:40:33 +0100, "Gonz" <T o p @ S e c r e t . c o
> m> wrote:
>
>>This is now applied to Virgin ADSL customers, and will no doubt be
>>extended to Cable customers.
>>
>>
>>Application Management:
>>
>>Application Management is really simple. We have a set of rules that
>>manages how much bandwidth is allocated to a specific list of
>>applications and protocols during peak periods. The rules apply to
>>everyone on the network who is using these application and protocols
>>during the peak period. Outside of peak periods, Application Management
>>does not apply. Right now, the peak period for Application Management is
>>Monday to Friday 4pm till 1am, and all day at the weekend.
>>
>>Peak periods for Application Management may vary from time to time. This
>>enables us to adapt the service to seasonal variations in demand, as
>>well as the ever-changing ways in which customers use the internet
>>
>>Everything from P2P, Usenet progs, to a normal web browser will be
>>affected.
>>
>>
>>http://www.virgin.net/helpme/broadba...s_traffic.html
>
> Which includes:
>
> "At present, your speed won't be moderated unless you're in the top 5%
> of downloaders. Our boffins recently ran a trial to see how much our
> service was being affected. They discovered that, in certain areas,
> customers were downloading such a large amount of content that it was
> affecting the service for other users in these areas.
>
> And we're not talking about just a few video clips. In some cases the
> top 5% of users were downloading as much as 2GB, just during peak
> times each week. That's around 500 music tracks in the space of a few
> hours."

I read that as..

in some areas we have users downloading too much for our network and they
interfere with each other.
We have decided we will cap a randomish selection and see if we can reduce
the traffic to a level we can manage.
If it doesn't work we will include more.
We are doing this because its cheaper than upgrading the actual capacity and
customers aren't paying enough.

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:06:02 +0100, Theo Markettos wrote:

> That's about 8GB/month, which isn't much more than many ADSL ISPs'
> 'basic' or 'intermediate' packages.
>
> Do they mean 2GB/day, ie 60GB/month?

Which is still a very low amount of bandwidth for a broadband connection
to be using.

Jason Clifford wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:06:02 +0100, Theo Markettos wrote:
>
>> That's about 8GB/month, which isn't much more than many ADSL ISPs'
>> 'basic' or 'intermediate' packages.
>>
>> Do they mean 2GB/day, ie 60GB/month?
>
> Which is still a very low amount of bandwidth for a broadband connection
> to be using.
>

Its not that low.

If you look at companies that do specify download limits the VirginMedia
price is in the region you would expect for an 8Gb product.

I think Plusnet charge about £15.00.

"dennis@home" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:ftvlcf$sjk$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>
> "Martin Jay" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:40:33 +0100, "Gonz" <T o p @ S e c r e t . c o
>> m> wrote:
>>
>>>This is now applied to Virgin ADSL customers, and will no doubt be
>>>extended to Cable customers.
>>>
>>>
>>>Application Management:
>>>
>>>Application Management is really simple. We have a set of rules that
>>>manages how much bandwidth is allocated to a specific list of
>>>applications and protocols during peak periods. The rules apply to
>>>everyone on the network who is using these application and protocols
>>>during the peak period. Outside of peak periods, Application
>>>Management
>>>does not apply. Right now, the peak period for Application Management
>>>is
>>>Monday to Friday 4pm till 1am, and all day at the weekend.
>>>
>>>Peak periods for Application Management may vary from time to time.
>>>This
>>>enables us to adapt the service to seasonal variations in demand, as
>>>well as the ever-changing ways in which customers use the internet
>>>
>>>Everything from P2P, Usenet progs, to a normal web browser will be
>>>affected.
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.virgin.net/helpme/broadba...s_traffic.html
>>
>> Which includes:
>>
>> "At present, your speed won't be moderated unless you're in the top
>> 5%
>> of downloaders. Our boffins recently ran a trial to see how much our
>> service was being affected. They discovered that, in certain areas,
>> customers were downloading such a large amount of content that it was
>> affecting the service for other users in these areas.
>>
>> And we're not talking about just a few video clips. In some cases the
>> top 5% of users were downloading as much as 2GB, just during peak
>> times each week. That's around 500 music tracks in the space of a few
>> hours."
>
> I read that as..
>
> in some areas we have users downloading too much for our network and
> they interfere with each other.
> We have decided we will cap a randomish selection and see if we can
> reduce the traffic to a level we can manage.
> If it doesn't work we will include more.
> We are doing this because its cheaper than upgrading the actual
> capacity and customers aren't paying enough.
>
>
>


Hang on a minute, aren't some of you a little confused?

Any ADSL service always has those magic words 'up to' before the speed.
How many people actually get anything near 8Mb at any time other than at
about 5 in the morning? That makes the calculations above look a bit
sick doesn't it?


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

"Woody" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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8<
>
>
> Hang on a minute, aren't some of you a little confused?
>
> Any ADSL service always has those magic words 'up to' before the speed.
> How many people actually get anything near 8Mb at any time other than at
> about 5 in the morning? That makes the calculations above look a bit sick
> doesn't it?

That is because ADSL technology limits the rate at different line lengths..
cable doesn't and this is about cable.

Anyway I get 12M - 16M at anytime I measure it on ADSL so it can be done.

Woody wrote:

> Hang on a minute, aren't some of you a little confused?
>
> Any ADSL service always has those magic words 'up to' before the speed.
> How many people actually get anything near 8Mb at any time

Actually the fastest *data rate* possible with standard ADSL is 7150 kbps.
You NEVER get 8Mbps.


> other than at about 5 in the morning?

Me. All day long

Good for 6Mbps or better pretty much all day long. Good ISP of course
(Idnet).

Graham

"Woody" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "dennis@home" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:ftvlcf$sjk$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Any ADSL service always has those magic words 'up to' before the speed.
> How many people actually get anything near 8Mb at any time other than at
> about 5 in the morning? That makes the calculations above look a bit sick
> doesn't it?


8mb Here on Sky anytime, Day or Night at £5 a month..

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