Combined Wi-Fi and Bluetooth Mini-PCI.

Hi,

One thing I would really like to get hold of is a combined Wi-Fi and
Bluetooth Mini-PCI card for my laptop, After some research it seems it
doesn’t exist. The closest I can get is a card from MSI which only works
in MSI laptops. I also found this:

http://www.us.design-reuse.com/news/news3963.html

Does anyone know what happened to this technology called Blue802? A
product like this would make a lot of sense to me, so I would like to know
why it doesn’t seem to be available,

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ceed wrote:

> Hi,
>
> One thing I would really like to get hold of is a combined Wi-Fi and
> Bluetooth Mini-PCI card for my laptop, After some research it seems it
> doesn’t exist. The closest I can get is a card from MSI which only
> works in MSI laptops. I also found this:
>
> http://www.us.design-reuse.com/news/news3963.html
>
> Does anyone know what happened to this technology called Blue802? A
> product like this would make a lot of sense to me, so I would like to
> know why it doesn’t seem to be available,
>
Hi,
It does. Try searhing on eBay for a starter.
Tony

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 03:58:51 GMT, Tony Hwang <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>ceed wrote:
>> One thing I would really like to get hold of is a combined Wi-Fi and
>> Bluetooth Mini-PCI card for my laptop, After some research it seems it
>> doesn’t exist. The closest I can get is a card from MSI which only
>> works in MSI laptops. I also found this:
>>
>> http://www.us.design-reuse.com/news/news3963.html
>>
>> Does anyone know what happened to this technology called Blue802? A
>> product like this would make a lot of sense to me, so I would like to
>> know why it doesn’t seem to be available,

>It does. Try searhing on eBay for a starter.
>Tony

This one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6028751476
It says "Blue 802".

See:
http://www.ce4you.cz/files/forums/cz/0000043375/AFH.pdf
One of the reasons the 2002 version of Blue802 isn't all that popular
is that Bluetooth 1.2 was released, which offers considerable immunity
to 802.11b/g wireless by selecting a subset of frequencies (AFH) not
used by the wi-fi card. This largely eliminated the need for a common
card that did both. Also, the major target audience seems to be VoIP
cell phones, not laptops.

There are also other (proprietary) solutions to coexistence such as
Intel's WCS (wireless coexistence system).

http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/...bling_voip.htm

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:22:37 -0600, Jeff Liebermann
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:


>> It does. Try searhing on eBay for a starter.
>> Tony

No results from Ebay except for the very useful device mentioned below..
>
> This one?
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6028751476
> It says "Blue 802".
>
> See:
> http://www.ce4you.cz/files/forums/cz/0000043375/AFH.pdf
> One of the reasons the 2002 version of Blue802 isn't all that popular
> is that Bluetooth 1.2 was released, which offers considerable immunity
> to 802.11b/g wireless by selecting a subset of frequencies (AFH) not
> used by the wi-fi card. This largely eliminated the need for a common
> card that did both. Also, the major target audience seems to be VoIP
> cell phones, not laptops.
>
> There are also other (proprietary) solutions to coexistence such as
> Intel's WCS (wireless coexistence system).
>
> http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/...bling_voip.htm
>
I still do not understand why there wouldn't be a market for a combined
mini-pci card for laptops. I would purchase one immediately if it existed.
Still can't find one though. Thanks you for the links though,


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//ceed

ceed wrote:
> I still do not understand why there wouldn't be a market for a
> combined mini-pci card for laptops. I would purchase one immediately
> if it existed. Still can't find one though. Thanks you for the links
> though,

My laptops have built in WiFi, and I just use the USB dongles for bluetooth.

Seems like a USB dongle would be a whole lot cheaper than a whole card, and
how would you deal with an antenna?

"Peter Pan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>My laptops have built in WiFi, and I just use the USB dongles for bluetooth.

My Dell Latitude D610 has a separate (USB) Bluetooth module built in.

>Seems like a USB dongle would be a whole lot cheaper than a whole card, and
>how would you deal with an antenna?

Since BT and WiFi use the same frequency band, you could concievably
share the antennas, though you'd obviously need some well integrated
card to do so, unless you cheated and used one antenna for BT and the
other for WiFi, and neglected to tell your customers they were losing
diversity...

ceed <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:

>I still do not understand why there wouldn't be a market for a combined
>mini-pci card for laptops. I would purchase one immediately if it existed.
>Still can't find one though. Thanks you for the links though,

Because there are many cases where you would want to run both
Bluetooth and Wi-Fi at the same time. For example, a Bluetooth
headset running Skype over a Wi-Fi to the internet. What's not
obvious about the Blue802 and other methods is that there really are
two radios on a single card. What Blue802 and others add is a method
of synchronizing the frequency used by both the Bluetooth and Wi-Fi
sections. This made lots of sense in the bad old days of Bluetooth
1.1, which hopped over the entired band. However, the FCC, in its
infinite wisdome, conceeded that it might be a good thing to allow
Bluetooth to selectively hop rather than trash the entire band. So, a
rule change allowed AFH (adaptive frequency hopping) in Bluetooth 1.2,
which largely eliminated the interference problem. If the Wi-Fi
device uses Channel 1, the Bluetooth device will detect this and move
to the other end of the 2.4GHz band. No synchronization required. So,
in effect, Bluetooth 1.2 does 99% of what Blue802 was suppose to do.
It's kinda hard to sell a product that nobody needs or that can be
done cheaper with just protocol tweaking.

I expect the next generation of laptops to all have Bluetooth 1.2 or
2.0 built into the motherboard as a standard feature. The chip sets
are cheap enough and the technology is finally stable enough to be
considered almost "mature". That will allow the total elimination of
the 3.5mm microphone and earphone jacks, to be replaced by an
equivalent Bluetooth headset. Wireless will probably remain on a
MiniPCI card.

Meanwhile, I suggest you live with the under $20 Bluetooth USB
dongles, which work fairly well. I suggest you get one that does
Bluetooth 2.0 as multimedia and stereo music via Bluetooth is sure to
be a big thing. Avoid anything that reeks of Bluetooth 1.1.

Incidentally, I've been tinkering with quite a few assorted Bluetooth
headsets and devices. In the past, I had severe mutual interference
between Bluetooth 1.1 and Wi-Fi. With Bluetooth 1.2 and 2.0, I can
still see some minor effects, but the garbage audio and loss of Wi-Fi
thruput are mostly gone.

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Peter Pan wrote:
> ceed wrote:
>
>>I still do not understand why there wouldn't be a market for a
>>combined mini-pci card for laptops. I would purchase one immediately
>>if it existed. Still can't find one though. Thanks you for the links
>>though,
>
>
> My laptops have built in WiFi, and I just use the USB dongles for bluetooth.
>
> Seems like a USB dongle would be a whole lot cheaper than a whole card, and
> how would you deal with an antenna?
>
>
http://www.suncore.com.tw/bluewifly%20spec.htm

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:37:55 -0600, Peter Pan
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> ceed wrote:
>> I still do not understand why there wouldn't be a market for a
>> combined mini-pci card for laptops. I would purchase one immediately
>> if it existed. Still can't find one though. Thanks you for the links
>> though,
>
> My laptops have built in WiFi, and I just use the USB dongles for
> bluetooth.

I also use a dongle, but I travel a lot and it's unpractical having this
thing sticking out (just like it was unpractical in the "old days" to have
a PCMCIA wi-fi card sticking out).
>
> Seems like a USB dongle would be a whole lot cheaper than a whole card,
> and
> how would you deal with an antenna?
>
>



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//ceed

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 14:33:55 -0600, William P.N. Smith
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> "Peter Pan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> My laptops have built in WiFi, and I just use the USB dongles for
>> bluetooth.
>
> My Dell Latitude D610 has a separate (USB) Bluetooth module built in.
>
>> Seems like a USB dongle would be a whole lot cheaper than a whole card,
>> and
>> how would you deal with an antenna?
>
> Since BT and WiFi use the same frequency band, you could concievably
> share the antennas, though you'd obviously need some well integrated
> card to do so, unless you cheated and used one antenna for BT and the
> other for WiFi, and neglected to tell your customers they were losing
> diversity...

Apple laptops have both built in. I know there are Dell's thart have both
like yours. But mine doesn't, so I though that there would be combined
mini-pci cards available. However, combo cards doesn't seem to be
available for other laptops that MSI ones that can use the MSI combined
card described here:

http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p...GBT2&class=com


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