Cisco Aironet 340 wireless bridge for sale

if this is an inappropriate newsgroup to post this then forgive me.
I have a cisco aironet 340 wireless bridge for sale on ebay, check it
out if interested...

ebay item 3069274768

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ADME:B:LC:US:1

In article <(E-Mail Removed) >,
jameson <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
:if this is an inappropriate newsgroup to post this then forgive me.
:I have a cisco aironet 340 wireless bridge for sale on ebay,

Personally I don't object to the occasional such post, if such
postings are uncommon. It would not be good, though, to turn this
newsgroup into a "marketplace" newsgroup: there are so -many-
used pieces of wireless on the market, and there would be a
real risk of having the technical content of the newsgroup swamped.

I have seen it in other newsgroups: if you let a few for-sale
postings slide by without mention, then other people start to assume
it must be perfectly acceptable to post ads, and a number of those
people then get very pushy about it being their "right" to post
whatever they want. It's the old story about the camel's nose...


Anyhow, for future reference you should be aware that eBay's
Terms of Service disallow posting links to auctions in
newsgroups. eBay actively cancels auctions in cases they become
aware of.
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then accept my sincere apologies.
sorry.
Jazz Mann

(E-Mail Removed) (Walter Roberson) wrote in message news:<bt2tal$ssb$(E-Mail Removed)>...
> In article <(E-Mail Removed) >,
> jameson <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> :if this is an inappropriate newsgroup to post this then forgive me.
> :I have a cisco aironet 340 wireless bridge for sale on ebay,
>
> Personally I don't object to the occasional such post, if such
> postings are uncommon. It would not be good, though, to turn this
> newsgroup into a "marketplace" newsgroup: there are so -many-
> used pieces of wireless on the market, and there would be a
> real risk of having the technical content of the newsgroup swamped.
>
> I have seen it in other newsgroups: if you let a few for-sale
> postings slide by without mention, then other people start to assume
> it must be perfectly acceptable to post ads, and a number of those
> people then get very pushy about it being their "right" to post
> whatever they want. It's the old story about the camel's nose...
>
>
> Anyhow, for future reference you should be aware that eBay's
> Terms of Service disallow posting links to auctions in
> newsgroups. eBay actively cancels auctions in cases they become
> aware of.

(E-Mail Removed) (Walter Roberson) wrote in message
news:<bt2tal$ssb$(E-Mail Removed)>...
> In article <(E-Mail Removed) >,
> jameson <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> :if this is an inappropriate newsgroup to post this then forgive me.
> :I have a cisco aironet 340 wireless bridge for sale on ebay,
>
> Personally I don't object to the occasional such post, if such
> postings are uncommon. It would not be good, though, to turn this
> newsgroup into a "marketplace" newsgroup: there are so -many-
> used pieces of wireless on the market, and there would be a
> real risk of having the technical content of the newsgroup swamped.
>
> I have seen it in other newsgroups: if you let a few for-sale
> postings slide by without mention, then other people start to assume
> it must be perfectly acceptable to post ads, and a number of those
> people then get very pushy about it being their "right" to post
> whatever they want. It's the old story about the camel's nose...
>
>
> Anyhow, for future reference you should be aware that eBay's
> Terms of Service disallow posting links to auctions in
> newsgroups. eBay actively cancels auctions in cases they become
> aware of.

While I agree that blatant commercial advertising in a newsgroup not set up for
that is annoying, the occasional short personal note regarding equipment for
sale in a related newsgroup is pretty low on my list of newsgroup etiquette
violations! I suppose it depends on what the newsgroup charter says about the
subject and "alt" groups tend to be pretty loose on the charter thing, if it
exists at all.

I'm more interested in the comment about eBay not allowing newsgroup links to a
specific auction. I can't imagine why they would care, as it would only increase
the amount of traffic they get.

Just as a point of clarification, I did locate the eBay TOS on this and it only
applies to posting links on newsgroups _where it violates that groups charter_.
Since alt groups tend to have pretty loose charters (if they have them at all),
it would not seem to be a problem here. I wasn't able to locate this group's
charter to confirm though.

I agree with your comment about the camel's nose though. (Wonder if that saying
is based in fact - must research!)

"Clark W. Griswold, Jr." <73115 dot 1041 at compuserve dot com> wrote in message news:<(E-Mail Removed)>. ..
> Just as a point of clarification, I did locate the eBay TOS on this and it
> only applies to posting links on newsgroups _where it violates that groups
> charter_.
> Since alt groups tend to have pretty loose charters (if they have them at
> all), it would not seem to be a problem here. I wasn't able to locate this
> group's charter to confirm though.

a.i.w. does not appear to have a charter. The group creation control
message can be found at
ftp://ftp.isc.org/pub/usenet/control...ernet.wireless and
does not reference a charter, which it should if there was one. The
group description in that message is as follows:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
For your newsgroups file:
alt.internet.wireless Accessing the internet via wireless devices.

Many experts are predicting the death of the desktop computer
as the leading method of accessing the Internet, saying a variety of
wireless handheld devices (such as mobile phones, palm-sized computers
and other similar devices) will soon rule the day instead. For
example some experts predict there will probably be more that 500
million
internet ready cellular phones in world-wide use in two or three
years.

While such experts are frequently wrong, it does seem that there will
be enough usage to support a newsgroup devoted to the subject.

Currently this discussion on Usenet is split among numerous groups.
A Deja search for "wireless internet" returns the following groups:
(snipped list of groups)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So, no formal ban on commercial postings, although I would hate to see
the group turn into a marketplace as much as the previous posters.

-Gabriel

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
Clark W. Griswold, Jr. <73115 dot 1041 at compuserve dot com> wrote:
:I agree with your comment about the camel's nose though. (Wonder if that saying
:is based in fact - must research!)

Interesting, I see a paper entitled
"The Camel's Nose Is in the Tent: Rules, Theories, and Slippery Slopes"

Abstract: Slippery slopes have been the topic of a spate of recent
literature. In this Article, the authors provide a general theory
for understanding and evaluating slippery slope arguments (SSAs)
and their associated slippery slope events (SSEs). [...]

http://ideas.repec.org/p/cvs/starer/02-05.html


The story is listed as a fable in a couple of places, though, such as
http://www-csli.stanford.edu/~nunberg/slipslop.html
which has an 1860 quotation. There is also a link in that article
to other discussions of Slippery Slope arguments.
--
Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a feature.
-- Rich Kulawiec

(E-Mail Removed) (Gabriel) wrote:

>So, no formal ban on commercial postings, although I would hate to see
>the group turn into a marketplace as much as the previous posters.

Agreed.

In article <(E-Mail Removed) >,
Gabriel <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
:a.i.w. does not appear to have a charter.

:So, no formal ban on commercial postings, although I would hate to see
:the group turn into a marketplace as much as the previous posters.

Perhaps we should pre-emptively set up
alt.internet.wireless.marketplace ?
--
"No one has the right to destroy another person's belief by
demanding empirical evidence." -- Ann Landers