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hi,
got a problem which i do not know whether is usual or not.
I cannot get connected to the net after i have booted up to windows
then switched on my router.The status on the router shows connected
but can't get to surf.
Can get connected only if i have switched on the router first than
boot up to windows.
Is that normal?
Please advise and thanks
Using windows xp with a DLink router.
ChnG

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4ax.com:

> hi,
> got a problem which i do not know whether is usual or not.
> I cannot get connected to the net after i have booted up to windows
> then switched on my router.The status on the router shows connected
> but can't get to surf.
> Can get connected only if i have switched on the router first than
> boot up to windows.
> Is that normal?
> Please advise and thanks
> Using windows xp with a DLink router.
> ChnG
>

The router stays on 24/7 365 and you turn it off when you go on vacation.
The router is not like you're turning a TV on and off. Do you see an on/
off switch on the router? You keep switching it on and off like that and
it may eventually go defective on you.

You don't turn the router off and your problem is sloved.

Duane

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> hi,
> got a problem which i do not know whether is usual or not.
> I cannot get connected to the net after i have booted up to windows
> then switched on my router.The status on the router shows connected
> but can't get to surf.
> Can get connected only if i have switched on the router first than
> boot up to windows.
> Is that normal?
> Please advise and thanks
> Using windows xp with a DLink router.
> ChnG

From all off, modem on, wait 1 minute, router on, wait 1 minute, boot PC.

When you're done, like Duane says, leave the modem & router ON... always.

Duane Arnold wrote:

> The router stays on 24/7 365 and you turn it off when you go on vacation.

No wonder the world's in such sad shape. My router is on when I need it.
I've got 930W of solar panels and occasional extra from a windmill. I
don't use electricity to keep things "ready".

> The router is not like you're turning a TV on and off. Do you see an on/
> off switch on the router? You keep switching it on and off like that and
> it may eventually go defective on you.

Chances are just as good that the heat from being on all the time will get
to it first. I'll let you know which goes first - my neighbor's, always
on, WRT54G or mine. Bought at the same time and installed two weeks apart
- obviously from the same manufacturing run as they have adjacent MACs. Of
course, you'll probably have to wait until they're both long obsolete
before it happens.
>
> You don't turn the router off and your problem is sloved.

You just always give the router time to boot, _then_ turn on your PC and
your problems are equally solved.
--
derek

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:08:38 GMT, Duane Arnold <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>(E-Mail Removed) wrote in news:88l6m1htac25k2cdk4ubg2tg288nrng9q3@
>4ax.com:
>
>> hi,
>> got a problem which i do not know whether is usual or not.
>> I cannot get connected to the net after i have booted up to windows
>> then switched on my router.The status on the router shows connected
>> but can't get to surf.
>> Can get connected only if i have switched on the router first than
>> boot up to windows.
>> Is that normal?
>> Please advise and thanks
>> Using windows xp with a DLink router.
>> ChnG

>The router stays on 24/7 365 and you turn it off when you go on vacation.
>The router is not like you're turning a TV on and off. Do you see an on/
>off switch on the router? You keep switching it on and off like that and
>it may eventually go defective on you.
>
>You don't turn the router off and your problem is sloved.

Yep. However, try this experiment to see what's happening. Boot your
computer first and then turn on your unspecified model DLink router.
This is the wrong order and sequence but I'm trying to create the "no
surf" problem. You should NOT be able to surf if things are screwed
up the way you describe.

Now, open a DOS window with:
Start -> Run -> cmd <enter>
and run:
ipconfig

If ipconfig says your IP address is:
169.254.xxx.xxx
then DHCP did not assign an IP address to your computer. This is my
guess as to the cause of the problem.

If ipconfig says your IP address is:
0.0.0.0
wait a while. It's busy trying to assign an IP address.

If it says your IP address is:
192.168.0.xxx
then your router is working and DHCP has assigned you a proper IP
address.

Now, run:
ipconfig /release
wait about 10 seconds
ipconfig /renew
wait about 10 seconds
ipconfig

If ipconfig now says your IP address is 192.168.0.xxx, then you just
"fixed" the problem by forcing the router to renew the DHCP assigned
IP address. You can do this safely without requiring that you reboot
your computer to get things working. You should be able to surf the
internet at this point.

--
Jeff Liebermann (E-Mail Removed)
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

No one goes around turning the router on and off like that. The OP is
asking for trouble if he continues with it.

Duane

Derek Broughton <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:u6uc33-(E-Mail Removed):

> Duane Arnold wrote:
>
>> The router stays on 24/7 365 and you turn it off when you go on
>> vacation.
>
> No wonder the world's in such sad shape. My router is on when I need
> it. I've got 930W of solar panels and occasional extra from a
> windmill. I don't use electricity to keep things "ready".
>
>> The router is not like you're turning a TV on and off. Do you see an
>> on/ off switch on the router? You keep switching it on and off like
>> that and it may eventually go defective on you.
>
> Chances are just as good that the heat from being on all the time will
> get to it first. I'll let you know which goes first - my neighbor's,
> always on, WRT54G or mine. Bought at the same time and installed two
> weeks apart - obviously from the same manufacturing run as they have
> adjacent MACs. Of course, you'll probably have to wait until they're
> both long obsolete before it happens.
>>
>> You don't turn the router off and your problem is sloved.
>
> You just always give the router time to boot, _then_ turn on your PC
> and your problems are equally solved.

Yeah OK. If you got to play like that, then I suggest that you turn it
back in and get your money back. I left my Linksys 11S4 v1 on 24/7 365
for four years striaght then it died. I'll do the same with my FW
appliance too. I myself will not play that game. I got better things to
do. <g>

Duane

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:12:09 GMT, Duane Arnold <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>No one goes around turning the router on and off like that. The OP is
>asking for trouble if he continues with it.
>Duane

Well, I do have some customers that turn off their routers. They seem
to think that the security problems are incurable and that if they
leave the router unattended, aliens will invade their computers and do
evil and dastardly deeds. I also have one customer turning off their
router to keep the kids off the internet when they should be doing
something else. For these people, I setup the clients with fixed IP
addresses so that DHCP is not necessary to operate. The router can be
turned on at any time and everything will have the correct IP,
netmask, gateway, and DNS servers pre-configured.

I also have 3 hot-spots that turn off their wireless after 6PM to
discourage the table hogs. When the place gets seriously over
crowded, the wireless gets turned off. However, I have these setup
with separate boxes for the router and the wireless access point. The
wireless access point can be turned on and off without affecting the
router.

Doing the math...
Linksys BEFW11S4 draws about 7 watts. At $0.15/kw-hr, that's:
7 watts / 1000 watts * 365 days * 24 hrs/day * $0.15 = $0.92/year


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Jeff Liebermann (E-Mail Removed)
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Duane Arnold wrote:

> No one goes around turning the router on and off like that. The OP is
> asking for trouble if he continues with it.

I do. And I'm reasonably confident I'll get at least the same 4 years out
of mine that you got. It's simply not a big deal to turn a router on and
off. They're computers - made with the same care (or lack of it) as your
desktop PC. I can get 4 years out of a much abused laptop (4.5 out of the
last one), which gets turned on and off at least as much as the OP's
router.

> Duane

What's the smiley? Is it OK to call everybody else idiots because you use a
smiley?
--
derek

Duane Arnold wrote:

> Derek Broughton <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> news:u6uc33-(E-Mail Removed):
>
>> Duane Arnold wrote:
>>
>>> The router stays on 24/7 365 and you turn it off when you go on
>>> vacation.
>>
>> You just always give the router time to boot, _then_ turn on your PC
>> and your problems are equally solved.
>
> Yeah OK. If you got to play like that, then I suggest that you turn it
> back in and get your money back.

Why on earth would I do that? It works just fine.

> I left my Linksys 11S4 v1 on 24/7 365
> for four years striaght then it died. I'll do the same with my FW
> appliance too. I myself will not play that game. I got better things to
> do. <g>

Mean time to failure on the chips involved is probably around 4 years. I'll
probably get at least four years on mine, because it won't actually be
turned on for at least 80% of that time.
--
derek