Cannot install Proxim/Orinoco PCI card in desktop.

Has anybody had trouble installing the Proxim (Orinoco) PCI card in a
desktop, in WinXP? I have the a//b/g card, Gold, and have been unable to get
even the Proxim software to see it.

I followed Proxim's instructions -- first installed the software, then shut
down and installed the card, and rebooted. When I hover the mouse over the
icon in the tray, it says "Wireless network interface disabled", and when I
open the interface, most
buttons in the interface are greyed-out, including "enable radio".

The PCI slot works OK -- I have had the video card in it -- and I tried both
of the available slots.

Device Manager shows "!" next to the card's name, and Properties shows "This
device cannot start (Code 10)". I have tried all of the drivers on Proxim's
site for this card, from oldest to newest, each time removing the card,
un-installing the software and starting over. But the result is the same
each time. One green light glows on the back of the card when it's in.

One thing I don't know about, and haven't tried messing with, is the
firmware. I don't know whether that's that something I can or should try to
upgrade for this card.

This computer used to have the Orinoco USB wireless device (which is
somewhat buggy, and which Proxim no longer makes), but I uninstalled that in
Control Panel, and rebooted, before installing the PCI card's software.

I've always used Orinoco PCMCIA cards in our laptops, and consider them the
best, but I am finding their PCI card a frustration so far.

Any idea what's going on? Anything I can try, to make it work? Thanks for
any help.

Ted Kerin wrote:

> Any idea what's going on? Anything I can try, to make it work? Thanks for
> any help.

Did you go into Control Panel>Administrative Tools>Services>Wireless
Zero Configuration, and make sure that the service is running?

I have found that some wireless card's firmware stops this service from
starting automatically, even though it is set to start automatically.
You have to manually start the service every time.

Ted Kerin wrote:
> Has anybody had trouble installing the Proxim (Orinoco) PCI card in a
> desktop, in WinXP? I have the a//b/g card, Gold, and have been unable to get
> even the Proxim software to see it.
>
> I followed Proxim's instructions -- first installed the software, then shut
> down and installed the card, and rebooted. When I hover the mouse over the
> icon in the tray, it says "Wireless network interface disabled", and when I
> open the interface, most
> buttons in the interface are greyed-out, including "enable radio".
>
> The PCI slot works OK -- I have had the video card in it -- and I tried both
> of the available slots.
>
> Device Manager shows "!" next to the card's name, and Properties shows "This
> device cannot start (Code 10)". I have tried all of the drivers on Proxim's
> site for this card, from oldest to newest, each time removing the card,
> un-installing the software and starting over. But the result is the same
> each time. One green light glows on the back of the card when it's in.
>
> One thing I don't know about, and haven't tried messing with, is the
> firmware. I don't know whether that's that something I can or should try to
> upgrade for this card.
>
> This computer used to have the Orinoco USB wireless device (which is
> somewhat buggy, and which Proxim no longer makes), but I uninstalled that in
> Control Panel, and rebooted, before installing the PCI card's software.
>
> I've always used Orinoco PCMCIA cards in our laptops, and consider them the
> best, but I am finding their PCI card a frustration so far.
>
> Any idea what's going on? Anything I can try, to make it work? Thanks for
> any help.
>
>
Hi,
Error code 10 is the word. Driver is not loaded for inf file mismatch?
What is actual message wehn you load driver? Successful load or error
message?
Tony

Ted Kerin <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Has anybody had trouble installing the Proxim (Orinoco) PCI card in a
> desktop, in WinXP? I have the a//b/g card, Gold, and have been unable to
> get even the Proxim software to see it.

Recently, I have just plugged wireless devices in, letting WindowsXP-SP2
install the drivers, and not touched the vendor software at all. This
requires having some other connection to the internet, but that's usually
possible.

> Device Manager shows "!" next to the card's name, and Properties shows
> "This device cannot start (Code 10)". I have tried all of the drivers on
> Proxim's site for this card, from oldest to newest, each time removing
> the card, un-installing the software and starting over. But the result is
> the same each time. One green light glows on the back of the card when
> it's in.

Uninstalling should also include removing drivers for devices that aren't
present, which requires a couple of extra steps.

> One thing I don't know about, and haven't tried messing with, is the
> firmware. I don't know whether that's that something I can or should try
> to upgrade for this card.

The Orinoco PCMCIA upgrades that I've done worked nicely. How far down rev
is it?

> This computer used to have the Orinoco USB wireless device (which is
> somewhat buggy, and which Proxim no longer makes), but I uninstalled that
> in Control Panel, and rebooted, before installing the PCI card's
> software.

Since the device probably wasn't plugged in when you removed the software,
it might have done an incomplete job.

> Any idea what's going on? Anything I can try, to make it work? Thanks for
> any help.

Open a cmd prompt, enter
set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1
start devmgmt.msc
view-show hidden devices
uninstall or delete the greyed out copies of the device you are trying to
get rid of, probably under networking devices. Be sure to look at the
bottom for yellow question marks, "unknown" devices. These might be
partially installed. I would uninstall and delete all of the ones you
don't want, and maybe the one you do want, reboot with both devices
removed, and start over.

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"SMS" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> Did you go into Control Panel>Administrative Tools>Services>Wireless
> Zero Configuration, and make sure that the service is running?
>

Wireless Zero Config is installed, but I had disabled it (I think "disabled"
is the word) because it didn't work well with the Orinoco USB device. Also,
the PCI card's installer offers an option , during installation, of whether
to use Wireless Zero or instead use the Proxim inteface -- the latter is
recommended, and I chose it. But I can try enabling and using Windows Zero.
Thanks.

"Tony Hwang" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> Error code 10 is the word. Driver is not loaded for inf file mismatch?
> What is actual message wehn you load driver? Successful load or error
> message?
>

Thanks for your reply.

I don't recall getting a message during, or at the end of the installation.

After installing the latest Proxim software and driver for XP, the card was
not seen at all in Device Manager. So I went to Control
Panel and used the Add Hardware wizard, and browsed to the location of the
WinXP diriver on the installation disk, and OKd on that. This made the card
at least show up in Device Manager -- but with the yellow exclamation point,
and the "Code 10" error -- "This device cannot start".

When I instead installed any of the 3 older versions from Proxim's site, the
card would at least show up in Device Manager, and I could see what the
driver was -- but, again, the card showed with the exclamation point and
Code 10, cannot be started.

Something that occurred to me only on the way to work this morning, is that
I did not disable Norton Antivirus during any of the installation
attempts -- I wonder if that was a problem.

> Open a cmd prompt, enter
> set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1
> start devmgmt.msc
> view-show hidden devices
> uninstall or delete the greyed out copies of the device you are trying to
> get rid of, probably under networking devices. Be sure to look at the
> bottom for yellow question marks, "unknown" devices. These might be
> partially installed. I would uninstall and delete all of the ones you
> don't want, and maybe the one you do want, reboot with both devices
> removed, and start over.
>


Thanks for your thoughts, and for the detailed reply.

It's possible, as you suggest, that I did not completely remove other,
incompatible drivers before trying to add the correct one. I will use the
technique that you describe, when I get home.

Sorry I don't understand how to open a cmd prompt, then enter the commands
you describe. Do I begin with Start...Run? . It sounds like you're
describing something I can do in Windows GUI, not in DOS (since you mention
I might see greyed-out enrries, and the exclamation points).

Thanks again!

Ted Kerin <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> Open a cmd prompt, enter
>> set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1
>> start devmgmt.msc
>> view-show hidden devices
>> uninstall or delete the greyed out copies of the device you are trying to
>> get rid of, probably under networking devices. Be sure to look at the
>> bottom for yellow question marks, "unknown" devices. These might be
>> partially installed. I would uninstall and delete all of the ones you
>> don't want, and maybe the one you do want, reboot with both devices
>> removed, and start over.
>>


> Thanks for your thoughts, and for the detailed reply.

> It's possible, as you suggest, that I did not completely remove other,
> incompatible drivers before trying to add the correct one. I will use the
> technique that you describe, when I get home.

> Sorry I don't understand how to open a cmd prompt, then enter the commands
> you describe. Do I begin with Start...Run? . It sounds like you're
> describing something I can do in Windows GUI, not in DOS (since you mention
> I might see greyed-out enrries, and the exclamation points).

Yes. Start-run-cmd. The command line is needed for the "set" line, and
then you invoke the GUI. It's a stupid option, since you also have to
select the view-hidden once you get into the GUI.



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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5

Ted Kerin <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Wireless Zero Config is installed, but I had disabled it (I think "disabled"
> is the word) because it didn't work well with the Orinoco USB device. Also,
> the PCI card's installer offers an option , during installation, of whether
> to use Wireless Zero or instead use the Proxim inteface -- the latter is
> recommended, and I chose it. But I can try enabling and using Windows Zero.
> Thanks.

With WinXP and an Orinoco PCMCIA card in my laptop, I needed the "latest"
drivers. After that, the functionality of the Orinoco client was
substantially reduced, deferring to Wireless Zero for the "available
networks" and such. That's when I stopped loading vendor drivers, and just
used the Windows automatic install.

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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8,-122.5

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>
> With WinXP and an Orinoco PCMCIA card in my laptop, I needed the "latest"
> drivers. After that, the functionality of the Orinoco client was
> substantially reduced, deferring to Wireless Zero for the "available
> networks" and such. That's when I stopped loading vendor drivers, and
just
> used the Windows automatic install.
>


Interesting. On my laptop, the Orinoco PCMCIA software establishes the
connection a lot quicker, and holds it a lot better than when I tried
letting Wireless Zero do the job (especially for the first couple of
minutes, when Wireless Zero would drop the connection 2 or 3 times before
stabilizing).

I guess there's still a whole lot of variation to be expected in different
systems.