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      01-13-2006, 10:49 AM
This Windows Server 2003 SP1 machine is in a temporary stand-alone
situation. Not on a LAN now but using a Verizon Wireless BroadBand modem for
Internet connectivity.

While attempting to download updates, machine "ejects" the wireless modem by
itself within a minute. It "re-inserts" itself automatically in a few
seconds. Not physically, but the hardware arrival and removal sounds come on
and the connection is lost.

If the Background Intelligent Transfer and the Automatic Update services are
shut down, machine can browse the Internet fine (and fast). But cannot
download updates.

Cannot correlate BITS and AU services with this hardware "ejection" and
"re-insertion" behavior. No device conflicts, driver issues, malware or
other nasties could be found.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Most updates were downloaded
manually but would like to know what might conceivably be the issue here.

Regards and thanks.

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      01-14-2006, 12:14 PM
Look into updating the NIC drivers and/or the firmware on the Verizon
wireless modem.

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      01-14-2006, 04:21 PM
Thanks for your response.

I have checked for the most current available firmware and drivers for both
the NIC and Verizon AirCard and found they were already up-to-date.

The Wireless Modem device works perfectly and enables a very fast Internet
connection experience (around 750Kbps, within advertised specs). It still
goes through this peculiar "eject" + "reinsert" behavior only when the BITS
and AU services are started to enable downloads. Connects to the Internet
fine after the restart but the Wireless modem keeps up this behavior two or
three minutes into an established connect. Every time or timer-related
setting in connectivity settings and devices that could be thought of were
checked for any overlooked setting. None showed up.

Very very intriguing indeed.

Regards and thanks again.

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> Look into updating the NIC drivers and/or the firmware on the Verizon
> wireless modem.
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      01-14-2006, 05:01 PM
Odd. You may try to leaving BITS on but turning AU off for a little while
and instead downloading all the updates (critical ones and regular Windows
updates) via the Windows Update web site. After all patching is done and
the machine is restarted, turn AU back on and see if this behavior continues
into next month. One of the Windows updates may have resolved this issue.
Have you also tried searching on the Verizon web site about this issue?

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      01-15-2006, 08:40 PM
Thanks very much for the response. I agree this is very odd.

Alongwith a local associate I checked the issue as thoroughly as possible
and found that the issue may be with Power Management settings. For reasons
as yet unexplainable, the AU and BITS services were interfering with
bus-powered USB devices.

The Verizon PC5220 AirCard Wireless Modem is a CardBus device but is
installed as a (virtual?) composite USB device with the Lucent Open Host
Controller installed in the process. Thus, the modem shows as a USB device
whether it is installed on a laptop (which is was primarily designed for) or
through a CardBus-PCI adapter as is the case with the Server 2003 desktop
machine I am working on. This might be to enable it to draw power for its
working.

On the suggestion of my friend, I switched off the Internet connection and
turned on the AU and BITS services. Then, we tried to install software - in
this instance QuickTime and then Lavasoft AdAware. In each instance, the
modem would repeat the eject-reinsert behavior! Now this was happening even
with the PC offline.

The PC was shut down and restarted after turning off power management in the
BIOS. The behavior repeated itself. Further, all USB ports had the option of
enabling power to be switched off to conserve power usage, switched off. But
to no avail. The CardBus-PCI adapter was switched to a different PCI slot to
see if there was any change. No.

Just by way of interest, the wireless modem was unplugged and totally
uninstalled. A standard CardBus Wi-Fi card was installed in its place. The
behavior repeated there too!

Since the issue only happens with the wireless modem and it is not what is
normally used on the machine when it is in regular use, we decided not to
attend to this problem any further. The modem and associated drivers will be
uninstalled when the PC is returned to its user anyway in a few weeks. The
user will be informaed of what happened - but this is unlikely to hamper
operations in any way when the PC goes back to regular use.

The wireless modem was installed for Internet browsing only actually. The
update operation was first tried only when last Tuesday rolled around.

Two further weird findings on this PC:

1. The Verizon wireless broadband service advertises burst speeds of up to
2Mbps with averages of around 400 to 700 kbps. This Server machine averages
around 800 kbps most times. My own laptop and desktop averages 500 kpbs in
the same location.

2. Windows Media Player 10 is on this PC. I thought WMP 10 was only for XP
and Media Center Edition. In fact WMP 10 cannot be installed on a Server
apparently (I tried on a different Server 2003 PC). I will have to wait to
ask the user/owner how it got on. I had built the machine originally and did
the initial OS install and did not add WMP 10 on it!

Thanks very much for your helpful suggestions. I will let the user/owner
file a support if desired when this machine is returned to him. One hope
this does not signal a more serious malfunction eleweher on the system

Regards

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> Odd. You may try to leaving BITS on but turning AU off for a little while
> and instead downloading all the updates (critical ones and regular Windows
> updates) via the Windows Update web site. After all patching is done and
> the machine is restarted, turn AU back on and see if this behavior
> continues into next month. One of the Windows updates may have resolved
> this issue. Have you also tried searching on the Verizon web site about
> this issue?
>
> --
> Todd J Heron, MVP Windows Server - Networking
> MCSE - Windows Server 2003/2000/NT; CCA







 
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      01-16-2006, 02:22 PM
Thanks very much for the response. I agree this is very odd.

Alongwith a local associate I checked the issue as thoroughly as possible
and found that the issue may be with Power Management settings. For reasons
as yet unexplainable, the AU and BITS services were interfering with
bus-powered USB devices.

The Verizon PC5220 AirCard Wireless Modem is a CardBus device but is
installed as a (virtual?) composite USB device with the Lucent Open Host
Controller installed in the process. Thus, the modem shows as a USB device
whether it is installed on a laptop (which is was primarily designed for) or
through a CardBus-PCI adapter as is the case with the Server 2003 desktop
machine I am working on. This might be to enable it to draw power for its
working.

On the suggestion of my friend, I switched off the Internet connection and
turned on the AU and BITS services. Then, we tried to install software - in
this instance QuickTime and then Lavasoft AdAware. In each instance, the
modem would repeat the eject-reinsert behavior! Now this was happening even
with the PC offline.

The PC was shut down and restarted after turning off power management in the
BIOS. The behavior repeated itself. Further, all USB ports had the option of
enabling power to be switched off to conserve power usage, switched off. But
to no avail. The CardBus-PCI adapter was switched to a different PCI slot to
see if there was any change. No.

Just by way of interest, the wireless modem was unplugged and totally
uninstalled. A standard CardBus Wi-Fi card was installed in its place. The
behavior repeated there too!

Since the issue only happens with the wireless modem and it is not what is
normally used on the machine when it is in regular use, we decided not to
attend to this problem any further. The modem and associated drivers will be
uninstalled when the PC is returned to its user anyway in a few weeks. The
user will be informed of what happened - but this is unlikely to hamper
operations in any way when the PC goes back to regular use. The system drive
was imaged when it was brought over here and it will be restored on handing
the computer back so it is in exactly the same condition as before.

The wireless modem was installed for Internet browsing only actually. The
update operation was first tried only when last Tuesday rolled around.

Regards and thanks again.

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"Todd J Heron [MVP]" <todd_heron(delete)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Odd. You may try to leaving BITS on but turning AU off for a little while
> and instead downloading all the updates (critical ones and regular Windows
> updates) via the Windows Update web site. After all patching is done and
> the machine is restarted, turn AU back on and see if this behavior
> continues into next month. One of the Windows updates may have resolved
> this issue. Have you also tried searching on the Verizon web site about
> this issue?
>
> --
> Todd J Heron, MVP Windows Server - Networking
> MCSE - Windows Server 2003/2000/NT; CCA








 
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      01-16-2006, 02:26 PM
Please excuse the double posts - it is due to an unrelated OE problem on
another computer! I used an associates's account to send a copy!

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> Thanks very much for the response. I agree this is very odd.
>
> Alongwith a local associate I checked the issue as thoroughly as possible
> and found that the issue may be with Power Management settings. For
> reasons
> as yet unexplainable, the AU and BITS services were interfering with
> bus-powered USB devices.
>
> The Verizon PC5220 AirCard Wireless Modem is a CardBus device but is
> installed as a (virtual?) composite USB device with the Lucent Open Host
> Controller installed in the process. Thus, the modem shows as a USB device
> whether it is installed on a laptop (which is was primarily designed for)
> or
> through a CardBus-PCI adapter as is the case with the Server 2003 desktop
> machine I am working on. This might be to enable it to draw power for its
> working.
>
> On the suggestion of my friend, I switched off the Internet connection and
> turned on the AU and BITS services. Then, we tried to install software -
> in
> this instance QuickTime and then Lavasoft AdAware. In each instance, the
> modem would repeat the eject-reinsert behavior! Now this was happening
> even
> with the PC offline.
>
> The PC was shut down and restarted after turning off power management in
> the
> BIOS. The behavior repeated itself. Further, all USB ports had the option
> of
> enabling power to be switched off to conserve power usage, switched off.
> But
> to no avail. The CardBus-PCI adapter was switched to a different PCI slot
> to
> see if there was any change. No.
>
> Just by way of interest, the wireless modem was unplugged and totally
> uninstalled. A standard CardBus Wi-Fi card was installed in its place. The
> behavior repeated there too!
>
> Since the issue only happens with the wireless modem and it is not what is
> normally used on the machine when it is in regular use, we decided not to
> attend to this problem any further. The modem and associated drivers will
> be
> uninstalled when the PC is returned to its user anyway in a few weeks. The
> user will be informed of what happened - but this is unlikely to hamper
> operations in any way when the PC goes back to regular use. The system
> drive
> was imaged when it was brought over here and it will be restored on
> handing
> the computer back so it is in exactly the same condition as before.
>
> The wireless modem was installed for Internet browsing only actually. The
> update operation was first tried only when last Tuesday rolled around.
>
> Regards and thanks again.
>
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> "Todd J Heron [MVP]" <todd_heron(delete)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Odd. You may try to leaving BITS on but turning AU off for a little
>> while
>> and instead downloading all the updates (critical ones and regular
>> Windows
>> updates) via the Windows Update web site. After all patching is done and
>> the machine is restarted, turn AU back on and see if this behavior
>> continues into next month. One of the Windows updates may have resolved
>> this issue. Have you also tried searching on the Verizon web site about
>> this issue?
>>
>> --
>> Todd J Heron, MVP Windows Server - Networking
>> MCSE - Windows Server 2003/2000/NT; CCA

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