Cannot create trusts between two domains on one network

trying to create trusts between two domains that are on the same network. I
am able to ping between domainA from domainB. Both domains communicate on the
network; however, when trying to create trust between domainA to domainB,
message indicates that specified domain cannot be located. DomainA PDC is
running server2003 R2 Standard Edition SP2. DomainB is running server2003
Small Business server SP2. Need assistance in creating trusts between
domains.

Hello Leo,

With SBS is not possible to built a trust, one of its limitations.

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
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> trying to create trusts between two domains that are on the same
> network. I am able to ping between domainA from domainB. Both domains
> communicate on the network; however, when trying to create trust
> between domainA to domainB, message indicates that specified domain
> cannot be located. DomainA PDC is running server2003 R2 Standard
> Edition SP2. DomainB is running server2003 Small Business server SP2.
> Need assistance in creating trusts between domains.
>

Will there be any issues having both domains on the same network (DNS, AD,
etc)?

Thx,
Leo


"Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" wrote:

> Hello Leo,
>
> With SBS is not possible to built a trust, one of its limitations.
>
> Best regards
>
> Meinolf Weber
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
> no rights.
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>
>
> > trying to create trusts between two domains that are on the same
> > network. I am able to ping between domainA from domainB. Both domains
> > communicate on the network; however, when trying to create trust
> > between domainA to domainB, message indicates that specified domain
> > cannot be located. DomainA PDC is running server2003 R2 Standard
> > Edition SP2. DomainB is running server2003 Small Business server SP2.
> > Need assistance in creating trusts between domains.
> >
>
>
>

Hello Leo,

You can run multiple domains in a LAN. But then i suggest that you don't
use DHCP, this will result in problems with clients maybe getting wrong ip
information, DNS server, doamin names etc. So at least one of the domains
should have fixed ip addresses complete.

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
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> Will there be any issues having both domains on the same network (DNS,
> AD, etc)?
>
> Thx,
> Leo
> "Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" wrote:
>
>> Hello Leo,
>>
>> With SBS is not possible to built a trust, one of its limitations.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Meinolf Weber
>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
>> confers
>> no rights.
>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups
>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
>>> trying to create trusts between two domains that are on the same
>>> network. I am able to ping between domainA from domainB. Both
>>> domains communicate on the network; however, when trying to create
>>> trust between domainA to domainB, message indicates that specified
>>> domain cannot be located. DomainA PDC is running server2003 R2
>>> Standard Edition SP2. DomainB is running server2003 Small Business
>>> server SP2. Need assistance in creating trusts between domains.
>>>

"Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" <meiweb(nospam)@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) .com...
> Hello Leo,
>
> You can run multiple domains in a LAN. But then i suggest that you don't
> use DHCP, this will result in problems with clients maybe getting wrong ip
> information, DNS server, doamin names etc. So at least one of the domains
> should have fixed ip addresses complete.
>
> Best regards

I agree, to make one domain all static.

However, thinking out loud, it can be possible with one DHCP server on one
of the domains, but I agree it is not feasible because it will require
numerous limitation and introduces a complexity that even the advanced
admins wouldn't want to deal with. Both domains would need to use a common
DNS server, and not have an Option 015 for search suffix. Then again, this
makes is difficult because if the zone is on one of the domain's DCs, and is
AD integrated, it would have nothing to do with the other domain. Otherwise
you can use DHCP Options using a set identifier on each machine in the other
domain in order to provide their own Option 006 and 015 settings, but this
would be extremely complex to administer.

Cheers!

--
Ace

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Ace Fekay, MCT, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA Messaging
Microsoft Certified Trainer
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Just to be a little bit more clear....... My two domains are on the same WAN
network. Each are located on a different subnet. DomainA is on a
10.51.xxx.xxx network and DomainB is on a 10.59.xxx.xxx network. DomainB is
not broadcasting DHCP and is setup with Static IPs.... DomainA is
broadcasting DHCP; however, I still use static IPs at all client
stations..... One problem we seem to have is that when trying to add a new PC
to a Domain, an error is being indicated that the Domain is not reachable..
This is for both domains. What could I possibly be overlooking that is
causing this issue?

"Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:

> "Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" <meiweb(nospam)@gmx.de> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) .com...
> > Hello Leo,
> >
> > You can run multiple domains in a LAN. But then i suggest that you don't
> > use DHCP, this will result in problems with clients maybe getting wrong ip
> > information, DNS server, doamin names etc. So at least one of the domains
> > should have fixed ip addresses complete.
> >
> > Best regards
>
> I agree, to make one domain all static.
>
> However, thinking out loud, it can be possible with one DHCP server on one
> of the domains, but I agree it is not feasible because it will require
> numerous limitation and introduces a complexity that even the advanced
> admins wouldn't want to deal with. Both domains would need to use a common
> DNS server, and not have an Option 015 for search suffix. Then again, this
> makes is difficult because if the zone is on one of the domain's DCs, and is
> AD integrated, it would have nothing to do with the other domain. Otherwise
> you can use DHCP Options using a set identifier on each machine in the other
> domain in order to provide their own Option 006 and 015 settings, but this
> would be extremely complex to administer.
>
> Cheers!
>
> --
> Ace
>
> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
> confers no rights.
>
> Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum to benefit from collaboration
> among responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your resolution.
>
> Ace Fekay, MCT, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA Messaging
> Microsoft Certified Trainer
> (E-Mail Removed)
> http://twitter.com/acefekay
>
> For urgent issues, you may want to contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please
> check http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
>
>
>
>

Just to be a little bit more clear....... My two domains are on the same WAN
network. Each are located on a different subnet. DomainA is on a
10.51.xxx.xxx network and DomainB is on a 10.59.xxx.xxx network. DomainB is
not broadcasting DHCP and is setup with Static IPs.... DomainA is
broadcasting DHCP; however, I still use static IPs at all client
stations..... One problem we seem to have is that when trying to add a new PC
to a Domain, an error is being indicated that the Domain is not reachable..
This is for both domains. What could I possibly be overlooking that is
causing this issue?



"Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:

> "Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" <meiweb(nospam)@gmx.de> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) .com...
> > Hello Leo,
> >
> > You can run multiple domains in a LAN. But then i suggest that you don't
> > use DHCP, this will result in problems with clients maybe getting wrong ip
> > information, DNS server, doamin names etc. So at least one of the domains
> > should have fixed ip addresses complete.
> >
> > Best regards
>
> I agree, to make one domain all static.
>
> However, thinking out loud, it can be possible with one DHCP server on one
> of the domains, but I agree it is not feasible because it will require
> numerous limitation and introduces a complexity that even the advanced
> admins wouldn't want to deal with. Both domains would need to use a common
> DNS server, and not have an Option 015 for search suffix. Then again, this
> makes is difficult because if the zone is on one of the domain's DCs, and is
> AD integrated, it would have nothing to do with the other domain. Otherwise
> you can use DHCP Options using a set identifier on each machine in the other
> domain in order to provide their own Option 006 and 015 settings, but this
> would be extremely complex to administer.
>
> Cheers!
>
> --
> Ace
>
> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
> confers no rights.
>
> Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum to benefit from collaboration
> among responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your resolution.
>
> Ace Fekay, MCT, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA Messaging
> Microsoft Certified Trainer
> (E-Mail Removed)
> http://twitter.com/acefekay
>
> For urgent issues, you may want to contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please
> check http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
>
>
>
>

NEVERMIND.........
I was able to add PC to domain.
I unpluged data cable from PC, logged on with Admin account, plugged data
cable back to PC, verified network connection, added PC to domain and added
AD user from Domain.... No issues accessing network resources.


Thx




"Leo" wrote:

> Just to be a little bit more clear....... My two domains are on the same WAN
> network. Each are located on a different subnet. DomainA is on a
> 10.51.xxx.xxx network and DomainB is on a 10.59.xxx.xxx network. DomainB is
> not broadcasting DHCP and is setup with Static IPs.... DomainA is
> broadcasting DHCP; however, I still use static IPs at all client
> stations..... One problem we seem to have is that when trying to add a new PC
> to a Domain, an error is being indicated that the Domain is not reachable..
> This is for both domains. What could I possibly be overlooking that is
> causing this issue?
>
>
>
> "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
>
> > "Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" <meiweb(nospam)@gmx.de> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed) .com...
> > > Hello Leo,
> > >
> > > You can run multiple domains in a LAN. But then i suggest that you don't
> > > use DHCP, this will result in problems with clients maybe getting wrong ip
> > > information, DNS server, doamin names etc. So at least one of the domains
> > > should have fixed ip addresses complete.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> >
> > I agree, to make one domain all static.
> >
> > However, thinking out loud, it can be possible with one DHCP server on one
> > of the domains, but I agree it is not feasible because it will require
> > numerous limitation and introduces a complexity that even the advanced
> > admins wouldn't want to deal with. Both domains would need to use a common
> > DNS server, and not have an Option 015 for search suffix. Then again, this
> > makes is difficult because if the zone is on one of the domain's DCs, and is
> > AD integrated, it would have nothing to do with the other domain. Otherwise
> > you can use DHCP Options using a set identifier on each machine in the other
> > domain in order to provide their own Option 006 and 015 settings, but this
> > would be extremely complex to administer.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > --
> > Ace
> >
> > This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
> > confers no rights.
> >
> > Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum to benefit from collaboration
> > among responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your resolution.
> >
> > Ace Fekay, MCT, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA Messaging
> > Microsoft Certified Trainer
> > (E-Mail Removed)
> > http://twitter.com/acefekay
> >
> > For urgent issues, you may want to contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please
> > check http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
> >
> >
> >
> >

Hello Leo,

When you are talking about the same network we meant both domains on one
subnet, not on different subnets. So you can use DHCP on each one. You just
have to make sure the router/switch between them doesn't work as a relay
agent for DHCP.

For connectivity to the domain make sure that the correct DNS server is used.

Best regards

Meinolf Weber
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> Just to be a little bit more clear....... My two domains are on the
> same WAN network. Each are located on a different subnet. DomainA is
> on a 10.51.xxx.xxx network and DomainB is on a 10.59.xxx.xxx network.
> DomainB is not broadcasting DHCP and is setup with Static IPs....
> DomainA is broadcasting DHCP; however, I still use static IPs at all
> client stations..... One problem we seem to have is that when trying
> to add a new PC to a Domain, an error is being indicated that the
> Domain is not reachable.. This is for both domains. What could I
> possibly be overlooking that is causing this issue?
>
> "Ace Fekay [MCT]" wrote:
>
>> "Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" <meiweb(nospam)@gmx.de> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed) .com...
>>
>>> Hello Leo,
>>>
>>> You can run multiple domains in a LAN. But then i suggest that you
>>> don't use DHCP, this will result in problems with clients maybe
>>> getting wrong ip information, DNS server, doamin names etc. So at
>>> least one of the domains should have fixed ip addresses complete.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>> I agree, to make one domain all static.
>>
>> However, thinking out loud, it can be possible with one DHCP server
>> on one of the domains, but I agree it is not feasible because it will
>> require numerous limitation and introduces a complexity that even the
>> advanced admins wouldn't want to deal with. Both domains would need
>> to use a common DNS server, and not have an Option 015 for search
>> suffix. Then again, this makes is difficult because if the zone is on
>> one of the domain's DCs, and is AD integrated, it would have nothing
>> to do with the other domain. Otherwise you can use DHCP Options using
>> a set identifier on each machine in the other domain in order to
>> provide their own Option 006 and 015 settings, but this would be
>> extremely complex to administer.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> -- Ace
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and
>> confers no rights.
>>
>> Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum to benefit from
>> collaboration among responding engineers, and to help others benefit
>> from your resolution.
>>
>> Ace Fekay, MCT, MCSE, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA Messaging Microsoft
>> Certified Trainer (E-Mail Removed)
>> http://twitter.com/acefekay
>>
>> For urgent issues, you may want to contact Microsoft PSS directly.
>> Please check http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone
>> numbers.
>>

"Leo" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:AC4EC595-ABCA-449C-BA6E-(E-Mail Removed)...
> NEVERMIND.........
> I was able to add PC to domain.
> I unpluged data cable from PC, logged on with Admin account, plugged data
> cable back to PC, verified network connection, added PC to domain and
> added
> AD user from Domain.... No issues accessing network resources.

Glad you figured it out.

Just as an FYI, and I believe it was covered, that all machines in a domain
must only use that domain's DNS server(s), and no outside (ISP) DNS server
in their IP properties, or many things can go wrong.

Cheers!