Can I use an internal ADSL modem with a router ?

Yes or no. if not why not exactly ? I simply want to share the interent with
a laptop via a wireless router. What is the easiest and cheapest wireless
router out there ? So far I find the whole setup procedure very complex. Is
there a good simple to understand how to guide out there for simpletons like
me ?!

Hi Dave,

the absolute cheapest way of doing that is just to have a wireless card in
the PC and a wireless card in the laptop. Then connect them in adhoc mode.
Windows own wireless networking software should do a good enough job of
automatically detecting the setup. Just make sure that your firewall (if you
have one) supports internet connection sharing.
Adhoc limits you to just the two machines as only two machines can be
connected in this mode at any one time. If you decide to expand to more
machines, then you will have to get an ADSL router.

Hope this helps

Mike



"Dave" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Yes or no. if not why not exactly ? I simply want to share the interent
with
> a laptop via a wireless router. What is the easiest and cheapest wireless
> router out there ? So far I find the whole setup procedure very complex.
Is
> there a good simple to understand how to guide out there for simpletons
like
> me ?!
>
>

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:44:06 -0000, "Dave" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Yes or no. if not why not exactly ? I simply want to share the interent with
>a laptop via a wireless router.

if the computer has an ethernet card then you should be able to share
the connection by wiring a wireless access point to the pc's network
card with a crossover cable. If not a cheap 4 port hub will fill the
gap - I used this before getting an adsl router.

Phil

you don't even need a router. ADSL pci modem + pci 54g + pcmcia 54g.

"Dave" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Yes or no. if not why not exactly ? I simply want to share the interent with
> a laptop via a wireless router. What is the easiest and cheapest wireless
> router out there ? So far I find the whole setup procedure very complex. Is
> there a good simple to understand how to guide out there for simpletons like
> me ?!
>
>

"Mike E" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:4007fe11$0$23466$(E-Mail Removed) ...
> Hi Dave,
>
> the absolute cheapest way of doing that is just to have a wireless card in
> the PC and a wireless card in the laptop. Then connect them in adhoc mode.
> Windows own wireless networking software should do a good enough job of
> automatically detecting the setup. Just make sure that your firewall (if
you
> have one) supports internet connection sharing.
> Adhoc limits you to just the two machines as only two machines can be
> connected in this mode at any one time. If you decide to expand to more
> machines, then you will have to get an ADSL router.
>
> Hope this helps
>

HI MIke, yes it does. I know PCI wireless cards exist (I have a pcmcia
version for the laptop) so ad-hoc mode seems the solution not sure why I
need a router then, any advantage in having one ?

In your case, Dave you don't need a router, as I say, if there are only ever
going to be two machines connected at any one time. A router would become
necessary if you wanted to add another device to the network, i.e. another
PC or a network printer. If that was the case, then you would be better off
getting an external, ethernet ADSL modem, attached to a wireless router,
then all the network devices would be able to use the internet or the
printer at any time. At the moment, the laptop can only access the internet
and printer if your main PC is switched on.
Go www.d-link.com they have a configurator section. Very informative.

Mike.

"Dave" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> "Mike E" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:4007fe11$0$23466$(E-Mail Removed) ...
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > the absolute cheapest way of doing that is just to have a wireless card
in
> > the PC and a wireless card in the laptop. Then connect them in adhoc
mode.
> > Windows own wireless networking software should do a good enough job of
> > automatically detecting the setup. Just make sure that your firewall (if
> you
> > have one) supports internet connection sharing.
> > Adhoc limits you to just the two machines as only two machines can be
> > connected in this mode at any one time. If you decide to expand to more
> > machines, then you will have to get an ADSL router.
> >
> > Hope this helps
> >
>
> HI MIke, yes it does. I know PCI wireless cards exist (I have a pcmcia
> version for the laptop) so ad-hoc mode seems the solution not sure why I
> need a router then, any advantage in having one ?
>
>

"Dave" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Yes or no. if not why not exactly ? I simply want to share the interent
with
> a laptop via a wireless router. What is the easiest and cheapest wireless
> router out there ? So far I find the whole setup procedure very complex.
Is
> there a good simple to understand how to guide out there for simpletons
like
> me ?!

A router for ADSL usually means a router \ modem - i.e the router has the
modem built in as well as a switch (either Cat5\RJ45 style wired or wireless
or both). This means that you plug all your machines into the router on the
LAN side using normal network cards (often built in these days) and connect
the adsl service on the WAN side of things - so the router well routes lan
traffic to the internet and looks after the connection in a much more secure
and stable way for you.

So.... your left with a redundant ADSL card which is pointless. What you
could do though is get a wireless access point, entirely seperate device -
it is NOT a router, connect this up (again you can plug the main pc in using
a cable if you wish) and add wireless cards to the PC's, basically an access
point is a wireless hub\switch.

Using just an access point would mean that you would need to use something
like ICS (INternet Connection Sharing) built into windows to share the
internet connection with the other computers, the access point then just
networks the pc's together and allows them to pass data around - it doesn't
directly manage anything to do with the ADSL connection, the PC in effect
acts as a router to the rest of the machines on the network.

Problem is that you need to leave the pc on all the time anyway and many
people may choose to go for an all in one ethernet 4 port swtich, wireless
access point and adsl router - just plug it in and it looks after everything
without any specific computer having to be left on - this is my personal
prefered soloution and it does solve alot of security issues and stops the
other people on the network using adsl slowing down your machine because
they are using your workstations resources.

As for setup, it isn't *that* complex, you it will basically work out of the
box, with things like usernames and passwords being put in and security
setup needed, through a web based interface. Whilst I wouldn't recommend a
complete novice do it, anyone with a reasonable understanding of computers
and how a network is actually working (that it is based on IP addresses,
that the computers on the lan all have one internal ip address and the
router has both internal and external etc) could do it. It is difficult to
mess it up but some idea is useful to make sure you can wire it properly.

Good news is that once its done its done with a router, it will just work
without you needing to worry about how ever again (well in theory anyway). I
could setup adsl and a few workstations to get net access from a router
within half an hour easily, nothing complicated about it, just the
confidance to install a few wireless cards and enter some details to ensure
everything can talk to each other.

Sam

Sam
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Having just done what this message suggested, I endorse everything it
says.

Worked out of the box. Very easy. Much more convenient than ICS, which
can be a pig to troubleshoot.

MK




On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:01:47 -0000, "Sam Albrow"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>"Dave" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Yes or no. if not why not exactly ? I simply want to share the interent
>with
>> a laptop via a wireless router. What is the easiest and cheapest wireless
>> router out there ? So far I find the whole setup procedure very complex.
>Is
>> there a good simple to understand how to guide out there for simpletons
>like
>> me ?!
>
>A router for ADSL usually means a router \ modem - i.e the router has the
>modem built in as well as a switch (either Cat5\RJ45 style wired or wireless
>or both). This means that you plug all your machines into the router on the
>LAN side using normal network cards (often built in these days) and connect
>the adsl service on the WAN side of things - so the router well routes lan
>traffic to the internet and looks after the connection in a much more secure
>and stable way for you.
>
>So.... your left with a redundant ADSL card which is pointless. What you
>could do though is get a wireless access point, entirely seperate device -
>it is NOT a router, connect this up (again you can plug the main pc in using
>a cable if you wish) and add wireless cards to the PC's, basically an access
>point is a wireless hub\switch.
>
>Using just an access point would mean that you would need to use something
>like ICS (INternet Connection Sharing) built into windows to share the
>internet connection with the other computers, the access point then just
>networks the pc's together and allows them to pass data around - it doesn't
>directly manage anything to do with the ADSL connection, the PC in effect
>acts as a router to the rest of the machines on the network.
>
>Problem is that you need to leave the pc on all the time anyway and many
>people may choose to go for an all in one ethernet 4 port swtich, wireless
>access point and adsl router - just plug it in and it looks after everything
>without any specific computer having to be left on - this is my personal
>prefered soloution and it does solve alot of security issues and stops the
>other people on the network using adsl slowing down your machine because
>they are using your workstations resources.
>
>As for setup, it isn't *that* complex, you it will basically work out of the
>box, with things like usernames and passwords being put in and security
>setup needed, through a web based interface. Whilst I wouldn't recommend a
>complete novice do it, anyone with a reasonable understanding of computers
>and how a network is actually working (that it is based on IP addresses,
>that the computers on the lan all have one internal ip address and the
>router has both internal and external etc) could do it. It is difficult to
>mess it up but some idea is useful to make sure you can wire it properly.
>
>Good news is that once its done its done with a router, it will just work
>without you needing to worry about how ever again (well in theory anyway). I
>could setup adsl and a few workstations to get net access from a router
>within half an hour easily, nothing complicated about it, just the
>confidance to install a few wireless cards and enter some details to ensure
>everything can talk to each other.
>
>Sam
>
>Sam
>>
>>
>
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"Sam Albrow" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:j2dOb.16031$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> "Dave" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Yes or no. if not why not exactly ? I simply want to share the interent
> with
> > a laptop via a wireless router. What is the easiest and cheapest
wireless
> > router out there ? So far I find the whole setup procedure very complex.
> Is
> > there a good simple to understand how to guide out there for simpletons
> like
> > me ?!
>
> A router for ADSL usually means a router \ modem - i.e the router has the
> modem built in as well as a switch (either Cat5\RJ45 style wired or
wireless
> or both). This means that you plug all your machines into the router on
the
> LAN side using normal network cards (often built in these days) and
connect
> the adsl service on the WAN side of things - so the router well routes lan
> traffic to the internet and looks after the connection in a much more
secure
> and stable way for you.
>
> So.... your left with a redundant ADSL card which is pointless. What you
> could do though is get a wireless access point, entirely seperate device -
> it is NOT a router, connect this up (again you can plug the main pc in
using
> a cable if you wish) and add wireless cards to the PC's, basically an
access
> point is a wireless hub\switch.
>
> Using just an access point would mean that you would need to use something
> like ICS (INternet Connection Sharing) built into windows to share the
> internet connection with the other computers, the access point then just
> networks the pc's together and allows them to pass data around - it
doesn't
> directly manage anything to do with the ADSL connection, the PC in effect
> acts as a router to the rest of the machines on the network.
>
> Problem is that you need to leave the pc on all the time anyway and many
> people may choose to go for an all in one ethernet 4 port swtich, wireless
> access point and adsl router - just plug it in and it looks after
everything
> without any specific computer having to be left on - this is my personal
> prefered soloution and it does solve alot of security issues and stops the
> other people on the network using adsl slowing down your machine because
> they are using your workstations resources.
>
> As for setup, it isn't *that* complex, you it will basically work out of
the
> box, with things like usernames and passwords being put in and security
> setup needed, through a web based interface. Whilst I wouldn't recommend a
> complete novice do it, anyone with a reasonable understanding of computers
> and how a network is actually working (that it is based on IP addresses,
> that the computers on the lan all have one internal ip address and the
> router has both internal and external etc) could do it. It is difficult to
> mess it up but some idea is useful to make sure you can wire it properly.
>
> Good news is that once its done its done with a router, it will just work
> without you needing to worry about how ever again (well in theory anyway).
I
> could setup adsl and a few workstations to get net access from a router
> within half an hour easily, nothing complicated about it, just the
> confidance to install a few wireless cards and enter some details to
ensure
> everything can talk to each other.
>

Thanks for going to the trouble of explaining but my head is still spinning,
not sure I'll ever get there

OK so from a laptop or PDA (with wireless card) I can connect to the
desktop's ADSL connection with just a wirleess PCI card as long as I'm
online on the main pc of course yes ?

"Mike E" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:40095803$0$16730$(E-Mail Removed) ...
> In your case, Dave you don't need a router, as I say, if there are only
ever
> going to be two machines connected at any one time. A router would become
> necessary if you wanted to add another device to the network, i.e. another
> PC or a network printer. If that was the case, then you would be better
off
> getting an external, ethernet ADSL modem, attached to a wireless router,
> then all the network devices would be able to use the internet or the
> printer at any time. At the moment, the laptop can only access the
internet
> and printer if your main PC is switched on.
> Go www.d-link.com they have a configurator section. Very informative.
>
> Mike.
>
> "Dave" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> > "Mike E" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:4007fe11$0$23466$(E-Mail Removed) ...
> > > Hi Dave,
> > >
> > > the absolute cheapest way of doing that is just to have a wireless
card
> in
> > > the PC and a wireless card in the laptop. Then connect them in adhoc
> mode.
> > > Windows own wireless networking software should do a good enough job
of
> > > automatically detecting the setup. Just make sure that your firewall
(if
> > you
> > > have one) supports internet connection sharing.
> > > Adhoc limits you to just the two machines as only two machines can be
> > > connected in this mode at any one time. If you decide to expand to
more
> > > machines, then you will have to get an ADSL router.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps
> > >
> >
> > HI MIke, yes it does. I know PCI wireless cards exist (I have a pcmcia
> > version for the laptop) so ad-hoc mode seems the solution not sure why I
> > need a router then, any advantage in having one ?
> >
> >
>
>