How can I get two Netgear WGE111's to work in place of an Ethernet Cable.

I thought I was cleverer than I am

I have a Telewest (Actually analog from Eurobell) ADSL line and Modem. It
is provided by a Surfboard Model SB5101E and sits in the front room on the
floor by the incoming Eurobell socket and is connected to the Eurobell wall
box by a .5m coax cable.

This is an Ethernet box. It is currently connected via a 10 Meter RG45
Ethernet cable to a Twincom Dual WAN router, and this works well.

I am under pressure from SWMBO to get rid of the cable

So I bought two WGE111's with a view to providing a Wireless link over the
10m. Whatever I do I cannot get the Twincom Firewall to "see" the SB510E
over these two WGE111's.

I have read a lot and it just confuses me. Yes I know I am an old fart but
it should still work; shouldn't it ?

The first question is do I set the WGE111's to be Adhoc or Ethernet ?

In addition I have 3 computers [and a Laptop with WiFi connection] and a
Draytek 2800VG connected via Metronet which also feeds into the back of the
TwinCom. This all works; but I cannot get the short distance WGW111 link to
work.

Any ideas very welcome.

{R}

On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:51:19 +0000, {R} <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I have read a lot and it just confuses me. Yes I know I am an old fart but
>it should still work; shouldn't it ?

debatable, you have bought two client devices. An access point and a
client device would have been a better bet.

http://www.dsl-warehouse.co.uk/support/WGE111-ds.pdf does talk of it
working in ad-hoc mode to interconnect two devices, so there may be
some hope.


Phil

In message <(E-Mail Removed)>, Phil Thompson
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:51:19 +0000, {R} <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>I have read a lot and it just confuses me. Yes I know I am an old fart but
>>it should still work; shouldn't it ?
>
>debatable, you have bought two client devices. An access point and a
>client device would have been a better bet.
>
>http://www.dsl-warehouse.co.uk/support/WGE111-ds.pdf does talk of it
>working in ad-hoc mode to interconnect two devices, so there may be
>some hope.

As I understand it if you have two client devices you have to use ad
hoc, and it's limited to 11Mb/s.



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"{R}" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>I thought I was cleverer than I am
>
> I have a Telewest (Actually analog from Eurobell) ADSL line and Modem. It
> is provided by a Surfboard Model SB5101E and sits in the front room on the
> floor by the incoming Eurobell socket and is connected to the Eurobell
> wall
> box by a .5m coax cable.
>
> This is an Ethernet box. It is currently connected via a 10 Meter RG45
> Ethernet cable to a Twincom Dual WAN router, and this works well.
>
> I am under pressure from SWMBO to get rid of the cable
>
> So I bought two WGE111's with a view to providing a Wireless link over the
> 10m. Whatever I do I cannot get the Twincom Firewall to "see" the SB510E
> over these two WGE111's.
>
> I have read a lot and it just confuses me. Yes I know I am an old fart but
> it should still work; shouldn't it ?
>
> The first question is do I set the WGE111's to be Adhoc or Ethernet ?
>
> In addition I have 3 computers [and a Laptop with WiFi connection] and a
> Draytek 2800VG connected via Metronet which also feeds into the back of
> the
> TwinCom. This all works; but I cannot get the short distance WGW111 link
> to
> work.
>
> Any ideas very welcome.
>
> {R}

Try this...

Reset both WGE111's to defaults, using the recessed button on the back.
Set the switch on the back to Ad-Hoc

Connect one of the WGE111's to your PC via an Ethernet cable
set the IP address of your PC to 192.168.0.200

UNPLUG the other WGE111 from the mains.

DON'T use the CD the WGE111's came with.

In a web browser, go to http://192.168.0.202
It will then ask for a username and password
leave the username blank
type in "password" (without the quotes!) in the password box and press OK

Somewhere there is a link to view available wireless networks - find this
and see if there any wireless networks around, and see if there is any spare
channels (you really should use 1,6 or 11)

Somewhere there is a link to the Ad-Hoc settings.
In here, set the country to where you are
Set the Data Rate to Auto
Change the SSID to something other than Netgear (I will use swmbo in this
example)
Leave the channel on 11, unless you have other wireless equipment using that
channel nearby (Select either 1, 6 or 11)

Set the WEP encryption to 128 bit, and type in a key (and make a note of
it!)
I always manually type in a 26 digit key (Number 0-9 and letters A-F)

Press Apply.

Now you need to change the IP address of this WGE111
Somewhere there is a link to the IP Settings of this device.
Change the IP address to 192.168.0.10
Subnet to 255.255.255.0
Default gateway is irrelevant here, if you can delete it, all the better.

After you change the IP you will loose connection to the WGE111 - this is
normal.

Now this adaptor is setup, I always stick a label on my network equipment
with the IP address on, so I know what it is later.

Unplug this adaptor and plug the other one in. (after setting the switch to
Ad-Hoc)

Again, go to the same address as before in a web browser
http://192.168.0.202

Log into it as before

Set the Ad-Hoc settings all EXACTLY the same as the first one

Set the IP Address to be 192.168.0.11
Subnet Mask to 255.255.255.0
and delete the default gateway if you can.

After you change the IP you will loose connection to the WGE111 - this is
normal.

Now, plug both WEG111's into the mains (Leaving one connected to the PC)

Hopefully the little house light on the front of both WGE111's will go solid
blue.
If it does a continuous slow flash, then it hasn't found the other one.
If it does fast flashes, there is traffic between the two.

Assuming you get a solid blue light on both, open a command prompt (Start,
Run type CMD and press OK) on the PC and type

ping 192.168.0.11

you should get four replies

this confirms the connection between the PC and the WGE111 directly
connected to it is working.

Now the moment of truth!
Type ping 192.168.0.10
If you get four replies, then you are now pinging the wirelessly connected
WGE111 :-)

If this all works, then connect one of the WGE111's to your Surfboard (After
powering it off)

Connect the other to the WAN port of your router (after powering it off)

Change the IP address on your PC back to what it was before (or set it back
to Auto, if that is how it was) and plug you normal network cable in.

Hope and prey it all works as it should!

Sparks...

In uk.comp.home-networking on Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:09:42 -0000, "Sparks"
<postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote:

}Try this...
}
}Reset both WGE111's to defaults, using the recessed button on the back.
}Set the switch on the back to Ad-Hoc
}
}Connect one of the WGE111's to your PC via an Ethernet cable
}set the IP address of your PC to 192.168.0.200
}
}UNPLUG the other WGE111 from the mains.
}
}DON'T use the CD the WGE111's came with.

Yes I worked that out, and I have reset them, I will give you instructions
a try. I was trying to be clever and changed one IP address to .203

Thanks for the effort, I will let you know how I get on.

{R}

In uk.comp.home-networking on Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:09:42 -0000, "Sparks"
<postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote:

}Reset both WGE111's to defaults, using the recessed button on the back.
}Set the switch on the back to Ad-Hoc

I followed all your instruction carefully, and more than once

However it seems that one of the WGE111's is very reluctant to work
properly, sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.

I think it will have to go back If I can be bothered

It could of course be a problem with the laptop I was using to drive the
WGE111's; I will get an older one out and try with that.

I never did get the ping to work across the WiFi link

Thanks indeed for the instructions, it seems a great shame that I cannot
simply replace a few yards of wire across the floor with a simple wireless
link.

However I did try - really hard - so SWMBO is going to not get what she
wants Well - tough

{R}

On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:41:15 +0000, {R} <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Thanks indeed for the instructions, it seems a great shame that I cannot
>simply replace a few yards of wire across the floor with a simple wireless
>link.
>

you can if you pick the right kit :-)

Phil

In MsgID<(E-Mail Removed)> on Fri, 26 Jan 2007
14:41:15 +0000, in uk.comp.home-networking, '{R}' wrote:

>However I did try - really hard - so SWMBO is going to not get what she
>wants Well - tough

A common suggestion around these parts, as an alternative to 'wifi', is
gadgetry which will send ethernet packets via the mains loop. If all else
fails, perhaps you could investigate that as a simple solution?

Unfortunately the two units you'd require might cost you slightly more
than the single extra wireless router, though the prices are currently
falling. However, if the two sockets are on a single ring main, it's
guaranteed to be a simple and rapid patchup for your network.

On re-reading your OP, I'm actually not that clear on your network. If you
get around to answering this post, is the Twincom FW/router responsible
for load balancing between Telewest and Metronet ADSL feeds? Not relevant,
just my idle curiousity.

Dave J.
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In uk.comp.home-networking on Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:04:22 +0000, Dave J.
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

}In MsgID<(E-Mail Removed)> on Fri, 26 Jan 2007
}14:41:15 +0000, in uk.comp.home-networking, '{R}' wrote:
}
}>However I did try - really hard - so SWMBO is going to not get what she
}>wants Well - tough
}
}A common suggestion around these parts, as an alternative to 'wifi', is
}gadgetry which will send ethernet packets via the mains loop. If all else
}fails, perhaps you could investigate that as a simple solution?

I had thought about "mains" Ethernet.

}Unfortunately the two units you'd require might cost you slightly more
}than the single extra wireless router, though the prices are currently
}falling. However, if the two sockets are on a single ring main, it's
}guaranteed to be a simple and rapid patchup for your network.

Any recommendations ?

}On re-reading your OP, I'm actually not that clear on your network. If you
}get around to answering this post, is the Twincom FW/router responsible
}for load balancing between Telewest and Metronet ADSL feeds?

Yes.

I have a Draytek Vigor2800VG on the Metronet (BT) Telephone ADSL feed
And I have a Surfboard SB5101E on the Telewest cable feed.

The Xincom DPG502 is used to balance the load between Telewest and
Metronet, in fact it sends 90% up Telewest as they down have a download cap
charge at the moment so it only costs 13.75 a month.

It is not he best device as there is no real flexibility on routing on
message types but it is more reliable than the Netgear FS124G that I used
to use.

{R}

On 27 Jan 2007 19:17, {R} <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>on Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:04, Dave J. <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>}Unfortunately the two units you'd require might cost you slightly more
>}than the single extra wireless router, though the prices are currently
>}falling. However, if the two sockets are on a single ring main, it's
>}guaranteed to be a simple and rapid patchup for your network.
>
>Any recommendations ?

You could look at Solwise (www.solwise.co.uk) which has a number of them
( 14 Mbps, 85 Mbps and up, and for others, perhaps, there are also some
ADSL modem/routers using this type of connection ). I've not looked
too hard but have seen second hand kit on Ebay (including some unit
from Netgear, and the Solwise units are not the only ones on the
market, but I forget the name of the other model I've seen... I did
notice that with one brand the mains pins are at the bottom of the
unit, so a wall socket can be very close to the floor, but with
the other brand, it needed an inch or two below the socket,
and that was a problem in my friend's home, as his were pretty
much flush with the floor mounted 'on' the skirting and several
inches above (are there any guidelines on wall sockets?) so for them
to work we needed to use multi-socket extension units, which are not
recommended... Something to consider before spending 50+ quid.



>I have a Draytek Vigor2800VG on the Metronet (BT) Telephone ADSL feed
>And I have a Surfboard SB5101E on the Telewest cable feed.
>
>The Xincom DPG502 is used to balance the load ...

Thanks, I will look out for that. There's an Edimax unit I saw mentioned
some time back which looked interesting, but worth comparing them...

Of course (depending on how you need to connect the Xincom to your LAN)
it might be possible for you to direct certain traffic direct to one or
other WAN link using 'route add': eg force DNS lookups, streaming audio
or whatever, for particular IP ranges, onto one or other WAN connection