Bulldog and active/unactive exchanges

The following site suggests bulldog llu services aren't available on
my exchange. However, when I go to the bulldog site, put in my phone
number it allows me to order the 4mb service. What's going wrong here
then? What will happen if I do sign up to Bulldog? Do I just have to
wait it out till the exchange is bulldog LLU enabled?!?

All a bit peculiar if you ask me. Don't see how they can sell
something they can't provide.

"tHatDudeUK" <tHatDudeUK.spamtrap.@rapidplay.com> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> The following site suggests bulldog llu services aren't available on
> my exchange.

Which site is the "following site"? If you mean
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/ then that site has been out of date for a
while..

>However, when I go to the bulldog site, put in my phone
> number it allows me to order the 4mb service. What's going wrong here
> then? What will happen if I do sign up to Bulldog? Do I just have to
> wait it out till the exchange is bulldog LLU enabled?!?

If Bulldog's site is offering you the 4MB service rather than their 1MB or
2MB services, it sounds as if your exchange has now been LLU'ed by them.

As such, if you sign up to them, they should provide you with LLU ADSL..

If you are interested in migrating to them, their advice is *not* to
cancel/cease your existing service and let Bulldog do that for you.
If you are interested in paying for a new line, then installation times
partly depend on BT as they will have to install a new line.

If you do sign up with Bulldog would you mind quoting my referral code -just
quote "bdol 87431" when signing up online (under "How did you hear about
Bulldog?/Referred by a Friend") or just mention it while ordering by
telephone.

Regards
Sunil

On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 08:04:32 +0100, "Sunil Sood"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>Which site is the "following site"? If you mean
>http://www.samknows.com/broadband/ then that site has been out of date for a
>while..

Ooops forgot to paste it and yes you are right, but it says updated
12th march suggesting it's reasonably up to date

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/ex...hp?ecode=MYHHL


>If Bulldog's site is offering you the 4MB service rather than their 1MB or
>2MB services, it sounds as if your exchange has now been LLU'ed by them.
>
>As such, if you sign up to them, they should provide you with LLU ADSL..

Sounds good Although it doesn't appear to be listed in the active
areas in the bulldog site.

>If you are interested in migrating to them, their advice is *not* to
>cancel/cease your existing service and let Bulldog do that for you.
>If you are interested in paying for a new line, then installation times
>partly depend on BT as they will have to install a new line.

Will be migrating from Fast24 to Bulldog 4mb (I hope). I assume if
there's a "migrate to" service then a "migrate from" should be
possible?!

>If you do sign up with Bulldog would you mind quoting my referral code -just
>quote "bdol 87431" when signing up online (under "How did you hear about
>Bulldog?/Referred by a Friend") or just mention it while ordering by
>telephone.

Are there any downsides to bulldog that are known? Just so I'm aware
of them before I signup Am I right in thinking upload speeds are
twice that of my current 1mb line (256kb I think)

Many thanks.

tHatDudeUK wrote on Mon, 04 Apr 2005 08:40:02 +0100:

> of them before I signup Am I right in thinking upload speeds are
> twice that of my current 1mb line (256kb I think)

Their site says "up to 400kbps", so you might get 1.5x your current line if
you're lucky.

Dan

tHatDudeUK wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 08:04:32 +0100, "Sunil Sood"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >Which site is the "following site"? If you mean
> >http://www.samknows.com/broadband/ then that site has been out of
date for a
> >while..
>
> Ooops forgot to paste it and yes you are right, but it says updated
> 12th march suggesting it's reasonably up to date

Sadly not - on the front page Sam even says that his web site is out of
date as he hasn't been able to devote as much time to it as he had in
the past.

If you look at
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/ll...on=ASC&type=bd
which is a list of all Bulldog exchanges that Sam lists (110 in total)
you will see that their are hardly any listed outside London.

Bulldog on the other hand claim to offer some sort of LLU service in
the following locations:
http://www.bulldogbroadband.com/support/locations.asp <-- a lot more
outside London and I don't believe that list has been updated for a
month or longer - which is probably why they don't mention Leeds,
though it is irrating for many people as they will then quote "Leeds"
on that page - only for people to discover that only a handful of the
exchanges in Leeds (like your's) will have been LLU'ed and not the
entire area (when they try and enter their number in the checker)

> >If you are interested in migrating to them, their advice is *not* to

> >cancel/cease your existing service and let Bulldog do that for you.
> >If you are interested in paying for a new line, then installation
times
> >partly depend on BT as they will have to install a new line.
>
> Will be migrating from Fast24 to Bulldog 4mb (I hope). I assume if
> there's a "migrate to" service then a "migrate from" should be
> possible?!

Well its possible to "migrate" your telephone number back to BT and
then apply for another ADSL service.

BT/LLU operators are/will be trialling LLU-->LLU Migrations and
LLU-->IPStream/DataStream migrations in due course..

IPStream/DataStream-->LLU migrations are already possible.

> >If you do sign up with Bulldog would you mind quoting my referral
code -just
> >quote "bdol 87431" when signing up online (under "How did you hear
about
> >Bulldog?/Referred by a Friend") or just mention it while ordering by

> >telephone.
>
> Are there any downsides to bulldog that are known? Just so I'm aware
> of them before I signup Am I right in thinking upload speeds are
> twice that of my current 1mb line (256kb I think)

The biggest gripe is that on a handful of exchanges (seemingly some of
the ones they 1st LLU'ed years ago) new installations take a long time
as Bulldog encounter capacity issues - so shoudn't affect you as your
exchange has just been LLU'ed. However because of this Bulldog quote
long lead times, even if they actually do the installs much quicker in
the majority of cases.

Other than that a few people have reported being switched to Bulldog
(and with the ADSL working), only to hear a voice message on their
line, saying call 150 to activate their voice line but when they do,
they just hear the same message repeated again and again - I believe
this is easily fixed though.

As for upload speeds, your current upload speed will be 256K, Bulldog's
will be 400K *but* their business LLU services offer 512K upload and
many people have recently found (new installations) that they are
provisioned as 512K upload on home services as well (no guarantee mind
you)

Bulldog have appartantly also started sync'ing the download speed to
the fastest your line can handle (including up to 8MB) and then
trottling you down to the promised 4MB.

This is being taken as an indication that they are looking to launch
faster services soon and they have already said they are looking at
ADSL2+ services as well (which run upto 18-24MB)

Regards
Sunil

Sunil - It's interesting that you quote a user name for reference /
referral for Bulldog but you appear to use a Freeserve email account
- you wouldn't happen to work for Bulldog by any chance ???


Hence all the plugs






Sunil Sood wrote:
> tHatDudeUK wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 08:04:32 +0100, "Sunil Sood"
>><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>Which site is the "following site"? If you mean
>>>http://www.samknows.com/broadband/ then that site has been out of
>
> date for a
>
>>>while..
>>
>>Ooops forgot to paste it and yes you are right, but it says updated
>>12th march suggesting it's reasonably up to date
>
>
> Sadly not - on the front page Sam even says that his web site is out of
> date as he hasn't been able to devote as much time to it as he had in
> the past.
>
> If you look at
> http://www.samknows.com/broadband/ll...on=ASC&type=bd
> which is a list of all Bulldog exchanges that Sam lists (110 in total)
> you will see that their are hardly any listed outside London.
>
> Bulldog on the other hand claim to offer some sort of LLU service in
> the following locations:
> http://www.bulldogbroadband.com/support/locations.asp <-- a lot more
> outside London and I don't believe that list has been updated for a
> month or longer - which is probably why they don't mention Leeds,
> though it is irrating for many people as they will then quote "Leeds"
> on that page - only for people to discover that only a handful of the
> exchanges in Leeds (like your's) will have been LLU'ed and not the
> entire area (when they try and enter their number in the checker)
>
>
>>>If you are interested in migrating to them, their advice is *not* to
>
>
>>>cancel/cease your existing service and let Bulldog do that for you.
>>>If you are interested in paying for a new line, then installation
>
> times
>
>>>partly depend on BT as they will have to install a new line.
>>
>>Will be migrating from Fast24 to Bulldog 4mb (I hope). I assume if
>>there's a "migrate to" service then a "migrate from" should be
>>possible?!
>
>
> Well its possible to "migrate" your telephone number back to BT and
> then apply for another ADSL service.
>
> BT/LLU operators are/will be trialling LLU-->LLU Migrations and
> LLU-->IPStream/DataStream migrations in due course..
>
> IPStream/DataStream-->LLU migrations are already possible.
>
>
>>>If you do sign up with Bulldog would you mind quoting my referral
>
> code -just
>
>>>quote "bdol 87431" when signing up online (under "How did you hear
>
> about
>
>>>Bulldog?/Referred by a Friend") or just mention it while ordering by
>
>
>>>telephone.
>>
>>Are there any downsides to bulldog that are known? Just so I'm aware
>>of them before I signup Am I right in thinking upload speeds are
>>twice that of my current 1mb line (256kb I think)
>
>
> The biggest gripe is that on a handful of exchanges (seemingly some of
> the ones they 1st LLU'ed years ago) new installations take a long time
> as Bulldog encounter capacity issues - so shoudn't affect you as your
> exchange has just been LLU'ed. However because of this Bulldog quote
> long lead times, even if they actually do the installs much quicker in
> the majority of cases.
>
> Other than that a few people have reported being switched to Bulldog
> (and with the ADSL working), only to hear a voice message on their
> line, saying call 150 to activate their voice line but when they do,
> they just hear the same message repeated again and again - I believe
> this is easily fixed though.
>
> As for upload speeds, your current upload speed will be 256K, Bulldog's
> will be 400K *but* their business LLU services offer 512K upload and
> many people have recently found (new installations) that they are
> provisioned as 512K upload on home services as well (no guarantee mind
> you)
>
> Bulldog have appartantly also started sync'ing the download speed to
> the fastest your line can handle (including up to 8MB) and then
> trottling you down to the promised 4MB.
>
> This is being taken as an indication that they are looking to launch
> faster services soon and they have already said they are looking at
> ADSL2+ services as well (which run upto 18-24MB)
>
> Regards
> Sunil
>

"jacko" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:42518c46$0$63422$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Sunil - It's interesting that you quote a user name for reference /
> referral for Bulldog but you appear to use a Freeserve email account

I think you will find that lots of people including me, use email address
that doesn't "belong" to their ISP (which isn't difficult in my case as my
ISP(bulldog) doesn't actually provide me with an email account anyway)

> - you wouldn't happen to work for Bulldog by any chance ???

I don't work for them but like several other ISP's they run a referral
scheme for existing customers to refer new ones - though I do post about
other things to Usenet and not just them....

Regards
Sunil

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed)
says...
>
> "jacko" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:42518c46$0$63422$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Sunil - It's interesting that you quote a user name for reference /
> > referral for Bulldog but you appear to use a Freeserve email account
>
> I think you will find that lots of people including me, use email address
> that doesn't "belong" to their ISP (which isn't difficult in my case as my
> ISP(bulldog) doesn't actually provide me with an email account anyway)
>
> > - you wouldn't happen to work for Bulldog by any chance ???
>
> I don't work for them but like several other ISP's they run a referral
> scheme for existing customers to refer new ones - though I do post about
> other things to Usenet and not just them....
>
> Regards
> Sunil
>
>
>
Well I ordered my Super@ctive account with them mid/end March.
Got an email stating between 20-30 days.

Got a phone call today saying go live date is 12 April.
Looking forward to Vfast internet again. Will be like the first day my
512k was activated.
Sorry Sunil, didn't see your referer number when I signed up.
--
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The poster formerly known as Skodapilot.
http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 08:40:02 +0100, tHatDudeUK
<tHatDudeUK.spamtrap.@rapidplay.com> wrote:


>Are there any downsides to bulldog that are known? Just so I'm aware
>of them before I signup Am I right in thinking upload speeds are
>twice that of my current 1mb line (256kb I think)

The biggest gripe is the customer (lack of) service. When I originally
migrated last year, I was in the middle of the process, when they
decided they wernt going to honour the service they had signed me up
for. I eventually had to settle for their 2MB offering at £40 per
month. Im now in the process of attempting to upgrade to their 4mb
service. Whilst I dont want their phone lines, paying half what I am
now is preferable. Plus their is only a £1 upgrade fee and also means
I can disconnect without any tie in.

Their sales drones told me that from mid April, I could do so
transparently. (ie the change takes place on the same day.) (I had
over a 3 week wait last time - and Im not prepared to accept that
again.

I get their email confirmation a few days later....telling me it will
be completed shortly and expect a 10 day loss of service! I email
their CS and get no reply, so I phone and speak to a manager. He tells
me not to worry, I will be migrated as they had suggested... and then
emailed me for something else. It still suggested that I would have
that wait. So I email him back and also their CS. I get a reply from
no one. I resend. Still no reply.

So I phone again and speak to the same guy. This time he tells me, I
will have to wait until July! Since my contract expires then - giving
me 2 months free as part of my sign on, I suggest he cancels the new
order and I will look to migrate again at a later date.

A day later, I get an email asking what they have done wrong and are
sorry to lose me as a customer. he has processed a full cancellation
of my account with them! Needless to say, I have emailed them back and
needless to say, I have had no reply.

This is pretty typical of the way this company operates. They are
pretty clueless and it mirrors the problems I had when I joined. its
not a one off.

Im not suggesting to ignore them - but making you aware so if you do
go ahead, your eyes are fully open to the potential regrets you may
have afterwards!



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