BTHH+ADSL with dialup still available?

Presently I access Clara via BTHH via a Cisco 803 router. The router
took an awful lot of config to make it work properly in the fact of
constant Blaster etc attacks (mainly from other Clara customers). So I
don't want to reinvent the wheel.

Given I want to keep the BTHH (for ISDN, 2 lines, 1 phone, 1 fax,
useful linking to the ISDN PBX at the office) what would be the
simplest way to get internet access via ADSL?

Presumably I could just buy another Cisco router but with an ethernet
port into which I would connect the ADSL modem. I know there are many
combined routers now but I would like to be able to re-use the config
I have as much as poss.

Will BT provide me with ADSL without losing the BTHH? And if ADSL
failed, how could I revert back to the dialup via BTHH? I don't know
if any ISPs offer a dialup access into a BB account. Ideally a single
router would attempt to connect via BB and if it cannot for say 10
secs, then dial out via ISDN.

And then I would have a duplicate system at the office (where we have
ISDN2). On top of that I need access home <-> office (running PC
Anywhere); presumably if this was to run over BB then I would need a
fixed IP at both ends.

We will also run a www server at the office end (yes I know this isn't
a great idea over ADSL but it's a very small website).

Any suggestions would be very interesting!


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Peter wrote:
> Presently I access Clara via BTHH via a Cisco 803 router. The router
> took an awful lot of config to make it work properly in the fact of
> constant Blaster etc attacks (mainly from other Clara customers).
> So I don't want to reinvent the wheel.
>
> Given I want to keep the BTHH (for ISDN, 2 lines, 1 phone, 1 fax,
> useful linking to the ISDN PBX at the office) what would be the
> simplest way to get internet access via ADSL?

Ordering another line...

>
> Presumably I could just buy another Cisco router but with an
> ethernet port into which I would connect the ADSL modem. I know
> there are many combined routers now but I would like to be able to
> re-use the config I have as much as poss.

Why not get a Cisco DSL router, or should that be get a DSL card to put into
another Cisco router. (I have met up with Cisco DSL routers anyway)

>
> Will BT provide me with ADSL without losing the BTHH?

Yes if you order another line, BT (or indeed any UK telco) do not offer DSL
over ISDN, unlike in other countries..



And if ADSL
> failed, how could I revert back to the dialup via BTHH? I don't know
> if any ISPs offer a dialup access into a BB account. Ideally a
> single router would attempt to connect via BB and if it cannot for
> say 10 secs, then dial out via ISDN.

You wouldn't be reverting back as you wouldn't be losing the HH..

On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 21:40:22 +0100, (E-Mail Removed) (Peter) wrote:

>Will BT provide me with ADSL without losing the BTHH? And if ADSL
>failed, how could I revert back to the dialup via BTHH?

if you get a new analogue line to supply the ADSL and put an ethernet
based router on that (1 port will be enough) you can flip from ADSL to
your current HH by changing the default gateway on client PCs from
ADSL router to ISDN router

Phil

Phil Thompson <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote

>>Will BT provide me with ADSL without losing the BTHH? And if ADSL
>>failed, how could I revert back to the dialup via BTHH?
>
>if you get a new analogue line to supply the ADSL and put an ethernet
>based router on that (1 port will be enough) you can flip from ADSL to
>your current HH by changing the default gateway on client PCs from
>ADSL router to ISDN router

Yes, excellent!

So I have to order another BT line, which means I will have three
voice/fax/analog lines... almost as quick as ADSL


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"Peter" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> Phil Thompson <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>
> >>Will BT provide me with ADSL without losing the BTHH? And if ADSL
> >>failed, how could I revert back to the dialup via BTHH?
> >
> >if you get a new analogue line to supply the ADSL and put an ethernet
> >based router on that (1 port will be enough) you can flip from ADSL to
> >your current HH by changing the default gateway on client PCs from
> >ADSL router to ISDN router
>
> Yes, excellent!
>
> So I have to order another BT line, which means I will have three
> voice/fax/analog lines... almost as quick as ADSL
>

No, HH provides two concurent circuits over a single line. That is there is
only one copper pair to the exchange, but it can handle two calls at once.
The difference becomes apparent when you order the second line. Most feeds
from the local junction box to the "house" contrain two pairs. With HH you
should have a pair free and can have abother line. If you had two LINES you
would need and extra drop cable from the box, which might be tricky.

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David Wade <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> "Peter" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>> Phil Thompson <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>>
>> >>Will BT provide me with ADSL without losing the BTHH? And if ADSL
>> >>failed, how could I revert back to the dialup via BTHH?
>> >
>> >if you get a new analogue line to supply the ADSL and put an ethernet
>> >based router on that (1 port will be enough) you can flip from ADSL to
>> >your current HH by changing the default gateway on client PCs from
>> >ADSL router to ISDN router
>>
>> Yes, excellent!
>>
>> So I have to order another BT line, which means I will have three
>> voice/fax/analog lines... almost as quick as ADSL
>>
>
> No, HH provides two concurent circuits over a single line. That is there is
> only one copper pair to the exchange, but it can handle two calls at once.
> The difference becomes apparent when you order the second line. Most feeds
> from the local junction box to the "house" contrain two pairs. With HH you
> should have a pair free and can have abother line. If you had two LINES you
> would need and extra drop cable from the box, which might be tricky.

Not through the magic of DACS...

"Ian Stirling" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:JvAbc.29715$Y%(E-Mail Removed)...
> David Wade <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > "Peter" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news(E-Mail Removed)...
> >>
> >> Phil Thompson <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
> >>
> >> >>Will BT provide me with ADSL without losing the BTHH? And if ADSL
> >> >>failed, how could I revert back to the dialup via BTHH?
> >> >
> >> >if you get a new analogue line to supply the ADSL and put an ethernet
> >> >based router on that (1 port will be enough) you can flip from ADSL to
> >> >your current HH by changing the default gateway on client PCs from
> >> >ADSL router to ISDN router
> >>
> >> Yes, excellent!
> >>
> >> So I have to order another BT line, which means I will have three
> >> voice/fax/analog lines... almost as quick as ADSL
> >>
> >
> > No, HH provides two concurent circuits over a single line. That is there
is
> > only one copper pair to the exchange, but it can handle two calls at
once.
> > The difference becomes apparent when you order the second line. Most
feeds
> > from the local junction box to the "house" contrain two pairs. With HH
you
> > should have a pair free and can have abother line. If you had two LINES
you
> > would need and extra drop cable from the box, which might be tricky.
>
> Not through the magic of DACS...

Of course you can't DACS HH which was I "forgot" that wonderful solution :-)

On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 09:03:32 +0100, (E-Mail Removed) (Peter) wrote:

>So I have to order another BT line, which means I will have three
>voice/fax/analog lines... almost as quick as ADSL

no, you will have one analog line and one digital line which provides
up to 2 digital and 2 analog circuits. Without the analog *line* you
can't have ADSL.

Phil