BT slash LLU pricing

BT has today announced plans to reduce the cost of its charges to rival
companies for access to the telcos loop. Prices are set to fall by as
much as 70%, but this figure will only be achieved by significant volume
discounting the telco operates for some of its larger rivals.

http://snipurl.com/6cij

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Andy M Jenkins

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On Thu, 13 May 2004 08:24:41 +0100, Andy M Jenkins
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>BT has today announced plans to reduce the cost of its charges to rival
>companies for access to the telcos loop. Prices are set to fall by as
>much as 70%, but this figure will only be achieved by significant volume
>discounting the telco operates for some of its larger rivals.
>
>http://snipurl.com/6cij

I'm with AOL - I wonder if this will affect there prices ?

An upgrade to 1 mbit may be on the cards...

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Mark Morrison wrote:

> I'm with AOL - I wonder if this will affect there prices ?

Nope. AOL are not an LLU operator

> An upgrade to 1 mbit may be on the cards...

How do you make that out ?

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On Thu, 13 May 2004 12:31:48 UTC, Mark Morrison <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

> On Thu, 13 May 2004 08:24:41 +0100, Andy M Jenkins
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >BT has today announced plans to reduce the cost of its charges to rival
> >companies for access to the telcos loop. Prices are set to fall by as
> >much as 70%, but this figure will only be achieved by significant volume
> >discounting the telco operates for some of its larger rivals.
> >
> >http://snipurl.com/6cij
>
> I'm with AOL - I wonder if this will affect there prices ?
>
> An upgrade to 1 mbit may be on the cards...

LLU has nothing to do with what AOL charge you.

Mind, you're an AOL user so I can understand how you got confused! :-)

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On Thu, 13 May 2004 14:08:09 +0100, Andy M Jenkins
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Mark Morrison wrote:
>
>> I'm with AOL - I wonder if this will affect there prices ?
>
>Nope. AOL are not an LLU operator

LLU ?

Anyway = bah !

Then again - if they want to remain competitive...

After all - I only pay £20 a month at the moment after phoning up to
cancel my dialup AOL account, and told them I was switching to Pipex
ADSL. I told them Pipex were cheaper than AOL's £28 a month. After a
pause, the operator told me I "qualified for a special rate" of £20 a
month.

They were lying to keep my custom, but God Bless 'em, anyway.

>> An upgrade to 1 mbit may be on the cards...
>
>How do you make that out ?

At the moment, 1 mbit is around £35, but that should drop when the
price of 512k drops. Then maybe I can justify the expense...

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Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes !
They got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses !
And what's with all the carrots ?
What do they need such good eyesight for anyway ?
Bunnies ! Bunnies ! It must be BUNNIES !

On 13 May 2004 14:30:40 GMT, "Bob Eager" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>On Thu, 13 May 2004 12:31:48 UTC, Mark Morrison <(E-Mail Removed)>
>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 13 May 2004 08:24:41 +0100, Andy M Jenkins
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>> >BT has today announced plans to reduce the cost of its charges to rival
>> >companies for access to the telcos loop. Prices are set to fall by as
>> >much as 70%, but this figure will only be achieved by significant volume
>> >discounting the telco operates for some of its larger rivals.
>> >
>> >http://snipurl.com/6cij
>>
>> I'm with AOL - I wonder if this will affect there prices ?
>>
>> An upgrade to 1 mbit may be on the cards...
>
>LLU has nothing to do with what AOL charge you.
>
>Mind, you're an AOL user so I can understand how you got confused! :-)

Love those AOL jokes ! ;-)

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Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes !
They got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses !
And what's with all the carrots ?
What do they need such good eyesight for anyway ?
Bunnies ! Bunnies ! It must be BUNNIES !

"Mark Morrison" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news(E-Mail Removed)...
> I'm with AOL - I wonder if this will affect there prices ?

AOL are also known as Arseholes On Line.

AOL is the biggest pile of crap on earth. For heavens sake get a proper ISP.
It's unlikely to affect AOL's prices until they feel the pressure of other
companies reducing their prices. It's called being greedy.

BTW I have 1mb for 27.50 a month. Fantastic service and no sh**e AOL
software on my machine. Bet you can't say that can u.

"Bob Eager" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:176uZD2KcidF-pn2-(E-Mail Removed)...
> LLU has nothing to do with what AOL charge you.
>
> Mind, you're an AOL user so I can understand how you got confused! :-)

Mind telling us how LLU works what it does etc etc and which ISP's may be
affected?!

This anything to do with the datastream IP stream thing?

On Thu, 13 May 2004 21:53:55 UTC, "tHatDudeUK"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Mind telling us how LLU works what it does etc etc and which ISP's may be
> affected?!

I'm not a telecoms expert (more of a computer systems person), although
I did once sell BT some software!

Local Loop Unbundling is where the local loop (the bit between you and
the exchange) is rented from a third party (it is 'unbundled' from BT
control although they still maintain it). You might or might not get a
better price. AIUI it does not affect ADSL.

The Datastream/IPstream bit is the 'other' side of the exchange and a
separate issue.

No doubt plenty of people will be along in a minute to correct/augment
my rather sloppy definition....!

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Bob Eager
begin a new life...dump Windows!

> Mind telling us how LLU works what it does etc etc and which ISP's may be
> affected?!

Simply, LLU is when ISP's rent space from BT in their exchanges and install
their own DSL equipment there.

This allows them to sell their own "specialist" DSL services and not just
resell the products that BT Wholesale offer nationally.

ISP's which are currently involved in LLU:

Easynet currently have 138 exchange like this around the UK
Homechoice have around 80 LLU exchanges (all in london) on which they offer
Video On Demand Services
Bulldog have 35 LLU exchanges - all in Central London (the ones which offer
400K upload)
http://www.node4.co.uk/ also have some around Derby.

The "hope" is that the above ISP's will expand their services to other
exchanges and other ISP's (like Freeserve) may start LLU'ing some exchnages
as well.

> This anything to do with the datastream IP stream thing?

LLU is different from DataStream and IPStream - the key difference between
all 3 is how much involement BT have in the process.

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Sunil