BT repackaged consumer service to businesses exposed

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/31/bt_altohiway/

Commenting on BT's speed increase, altoHiway exec Chris Wood said that far
from being a customer benefit, BT's offer was a "repackaging of mainly
consumer grade ADSL offerings, dressed up as a business service".

Considering consumers can get 2mbit for less than 2 quid a month
in third world countries, and with Bulldog relauching its complaint
for poor service, its better to send the BT execs
to third world with cap in hand to beg them to teach them something
about operating a telco business.

Additionally, it would be better it was broken up
and each bit like exchanges and local loop were operated
by separate operators after putting in competitive tenders
for each section of the telecommunications delivery
and infrastructure components.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:02:11 GMT, 7
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Additionally, it would be better it was broken up
>and each bit like exchanges and local loop were operated
>by separate operators after putting in competitive tenders
>for each section of the telecommunications delivery
>and infrastructure components.

How exactly is that supposed to help ?

If you sold different exchanges off to different companies that
wouldn't increase the competition in any meaningful way to the
customers. If you can't choose between two different suppliers then
there is in effect no competition (exactly what happened with the
British Rail sell off).
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http://www.norman.cx/
Replace the fish with my first name to reply

uni-berlin.de!individual.net sock puppet wrote:

> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:02:11 GMT, 7
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Additionally, it would be better it was broken up
>>and each bit like exchanges and local loop were operated
>>by separate operators after putting in competitive tenders
>>for each section of the telecommunications delivery
>>and infrastructure components.
>
> How exactly is that supposed to help ?

You mean you don't know?


> If you sold different exchanges off to different companies that
> wouldn't increase the competition in any meaningful way to the
> customers. If you can't choose between two different suppliers then
> there is in effect no competition (exactly what happened with the
> British Rail sell off).


Like with all sell offs, there are regulatory
performance targets to meet. If you can't meet it, you lose the
license and investment as government appointed administrators
take over and put it up for competitive tender again to different
parties.


Hey guys working for BT$ here, I'm doing this up...
Comments please...


Legalise astro turfing now!
---------------------------

The rights of astro turfers are in danger because
cola is a place where they are continually bashed for fun.
This is not fair on the bashees and the bashers
because of nym shifting and other issues that are
making life difficult for point scoring to stick.
Astro turfing now is a big industry and part of
the landscape of the services industry.
Obviously employees must now be given extra rights.


The Engines of Democracy Astro Turfing Rights Bill
--------------------------------------------------
1. All astro turfers must register for employment and obtain employee ID.

2. Clients are nice people too, and deserve every contract to be
***to*be*displayed*openly*with*a*contract*ID*so*that*everyone*may*know
***astroturfing*company*/*client*relationship*and*how*much*money
***has*parted*hands.*Particularly*important*for*politicos*who
***are*worried*of*excessive*spending*by*the*other*side.

3. All astro turfers must show their employer registration ID, and client
***contract*ID*with*any*works*of*art*and*fiction*they*produce.
***In*return*legal*immunity*is*provided*to*the*astro*turfer,
***the*client*and*astroturfing*from*any*prosecution*for*opionins
***expressed,*except*for*anything*that*falls*under*existing*libel*laws.

4. Failure to do so can net unlimited liability for its employers
***and*the*clients*who*use*the*services.

5. This allows all astro turfed hooting tooting votes and opinions
***to*be*counted*as*just*one*vote*and*make*democracy*work*fairly.

6. Bring astro turfing in line with current advertising rules
***i.e.*a.*they*must*be*factual
********b.*they*have*been*refereed
********c.*they*have*paid*tax

7. Any mis information reported by astro turfers is subject
***to*laws*of*libel,*and*through*use*of*employee*ID,*can
***render*the*employee,*the*employer*and*the*client*liable.

8. All astro turfers have the right to snitch on their employers
***and*clients*with*legal*protection*from*the*law*if*they
***choose*to*do*so.*That*is*employers and clients*must*not*compel
***employees*into*signing*any*agreements*that*prohibit*their
***god*given*rights*of*freedom*of*speech.

9. Public companies must register transactions with astro turfing
***companies*and*make*available*to*investors*and*the*SEC*the*full
***nature*of*the*contract*between*them*and*their*astro*turfing
***companies*so*that*investors*can*be*confident*of*the*investments
***they*are*making,*and*that*it*is*not*based*on*faked*misinformation
***inadvertently*supplied*by*astro*turfers.

Client and Employer Misconduct
------------------------------

10. Should the employer or the Client is found to be in misconduct
***when*hiring*astro*turfers*to*put*out*incorrect*information,
***the*client*and*the*employer*gurantees*to*indemnify*the*employee
***from*any*cost*arising*out*of*litigation.

Disabilities allowance
----------------------

11. Its widely accepted that disabled people and housewives
***are*used*for*astro*turfing*as*they*are*likely*to*sit
***in*front*of*a*computer*and*type*out*nonsense*all*day.
***For*those*disabled*people*that*are*housewives*or*that*have*to
***operate*a*computer*without*an*arm,*or*a*leg,*or*a*brain,
***we*demand*that*pay*is*equal*to*that*of*fit*and*lifeless
***colleagues.

Career progression
------------------

12. No astro turd likes being called an idiot. Its un-winnable to argue
***a*point*when*you*are*an*astro*turd*and*have*no*qualifications.
***So*we*need*an*astro*turfing*institute*where*we*can*hoof*and*poof
***and*gain*merits*for*our*nefarious*activities.
***All*qualifications*shall*be*cited*with*employee*ID*and*client
***contract*ID*as*part*of*the*legal*requirement*to*become
***a*qualified*astro*turfer.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:02:11 UTC, 7
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Considering consumers can get 2mbit for less than 2 quid a month
> in third world countries, and with Bulldog relauching its complaint
> for poor service, its better to send the BT execs
> to third world with cap in hand to beg them to teach them something
> about operating a telco business.

Oh God...he's off again.

--
[ 7'ism - a condition by which the sufferer experiences an inability
to give concise answers, express reasoned argument or opinion.
Usually accompanied by silly noises and gestures - incurable, early
euthanasia recommended. ]

"7" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:tCV2e.860$(E-Mail Removed).. .
> uni-berlin.de!individual.net sock puppet wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:02:11 GMT, 7
> > <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >
> >>Additionally, it would be better it was broken up
> >>and each bit like exchanges and local loop were operated
> >>by separate operators after putting in competitive tenders
> >>for each section of the telecommunications delivery
> >>and infrastructure components.
> >
> > How exactly is that supposed to help ?
>
> You mean you don't know?

Well, other than making money for someone other than BT you don't seem
to have the first clue as to how this might or might not help !

>
>
> > If you sold different exchanges off to different companies that
> > wouldn't increase the competition in any meaningful way to the
> > customers. If you can't choose between two different suppliers
then
> > there is in effect no competition (exactly what happened with the
> > British Rail sell off).
>
>
> Like with all sell offs, there are regulatory
> performance targets to meet. If you can't meet it, you lose the
> license and investment as government appointed administrators
> take over and put it up for competitive tender again to different
> parties.
>

Like what didn't happen with Railtrack and all the other TOC's that
failed in their contracts of service etc., it took two serious
failings of the infrastructure the collapse of the network to force a
change of name, but nothing else really changed. Will it take the
collapse of the 999 system before people see what a fuc**rse idea
breaking up an integrated network is ?

>
> Hey guys working for BT$ here, <snip rant>

And no doubt you are really one of those 'want-a-be' TnOC
(Telecoms-network Operating Companies) who want to make their own $$$$
whilst asset-stripping the old BT network that was funded in the main
by HMG Tax payers...

On 31 Mar 2005 17:04:12 GMT, "Bob Eager" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:02:11 UTC, 7
><(E-Mail Removed) > wrote:
>
>> Considering consumers can get 2mbit for less than 2 quid a month
>> in third world countries, and with Bulldog relauching its complaint
>> for poor service, its better to send the BT execs
>> to third world with cap in hand to beg them to teach them something
>> about operating a telco business.
>
>Oh God...he's off again.

I can't wait to see the uk-wide "t-roll out" of the "7" network!

Probably called "7" because it will only serve 7 of the UK's major
city centres with its short reach technology.

Oh, hang on, that sounds a bit like LLU...

uni-berlin.de!individual.net sock puppet wrote:

>
> "7" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:tCV2e.860$(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> uni-berlin.de!individual.net sock puppet wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:02:11 GMT, 7
>> > <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Additionally, it would be better it was broken up
>> >>and each bit like exchanges and local loop were operated
>> >>by separate operators after putting in competitive tenders
>> >>for each section of the telecommunications delivery
>> >>and infrastructure components.
>> >
>> > How exactly is that supposed to help ?
>>
>> You mean you don't know?
>
> Well, other than making money for someone other than BT you don't seem
> to have the first clue as to how this might or might not help !


But a sock puppet like you do of course!


>> > If you sold different exchanges off to different companies that
>> > wouldn't increase the competition in any meaningful way to the
>> > customers. If you can't choose between two different suppliers
> then
>> > there is in effect no competition (exactly what happened with the
>> > British Rail sell off).
>>
>>
>> Like with all sell offs, there are regulatory
>> performance targets to meet. If you can't meet it, you lose the
>> license and investment as government appointed administrators
>> take over and put it up for competitive tender again to different
>> parties.
>>
>
> Like what didn't happen with Railtrack and all the other TOC's that
> failed in their contracts of service etc., it took two serious
> failings of the infrastructure the collapse of the network to force a
> change of name, but nothing else really changed. Will it take the
> collapse of the 999 system before people see what a fuc**rse idea
> breaking up an integrated network is ?


BWAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAH!!!
So what you are doing sniffing up their fuc**rse for guidance?
If you came to me with this you will be sacked.
Tell me what works boy, not whose ass you been sniffing!



>> Hey guys working for BT$ here, <snip rant>
>
> And no doubt you are really one of those 'want-a-be' TnOC
> (Telecoms-network Operating Companies) who want to make their own $$$$
> whilst asset-stripping the old BT network that was funded in the main
> by HMG Tax payers...


BWAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAH!!!
You telling me what BT$ does all day means you work for them.


TTFN

"7" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:KoX2e.953$(E-Mail Removed)...
> uni-berlin.de!individual.net sock puppet wrote:
>
> >

Well, seeing that you started this reply with an attempted troll I
would suggest that you have lost your argument....

uni-berlin.de!individual.net sock puppet wrote:

>
> "7" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:KoX2e.953$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> uni-berlin.de!individual.net sock puppet wrote:
>>
>> >
>
> Well, seeing that you started this reply with an attempted troll I
> would suggest that you have lost your argument....


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAHAHA!!
You little internet terrorist you.

Have you informed The Department of Homoland Security of your activities?

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:28:42 GMT, 7
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>uni-berlin.de!individual.net sock puppet wrote:
>
>>
>> "7" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:KoX2e.953$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> uni-berlin.de!individual.net sock puppet wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>
>> Well, seeing that you started this reply with an attempted troll I
>> would suggest that you have lost your argument....
>
>
>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAHAHA!!
>You little internet terrorist you.
>
>Have you informed The Department of Homoland Security of your activities?
>

Insightful and witty comeback.

As usual.

In previous posts you've said you're looking for a job. Seriously, I
urge you to submit your CV to us. We're really busy looking after
customers, taking on new ones, enjoying their company, and generally
enjoying the fact that they're recommending us to new customers. so
what we need right now is an uninformed troll to bring us back down to
earth. And you are the perfect candidate.

People with a normal IQ need not apply. Sorry.