BT out of the picture for fast broadband?

Has BT lost te race to be a fast broadband provider? Seeing as they have
not got an infrastructure in place to provide fast broadband (I am talking
50~100 mbit or more), and looking at what they have not done to make this
happen, it looks increasingly unlikely that BT will ever be able to provide
such high speeds needed to progress the digital age any further.

My question is, when will the cable providers start to expand their cable
networks to areas that are not already covered.

The street I live in has BT wires waterlogged every time it rains heavy
(which loses me and others their broadband connection). They have done
nothing about it in several years and every time it rains, my connection
either drops or slows down considerably.

I have given up on BT ever being able to provide fast broadband as they
don't appear to be doing anything to improve their network which has been in
place for more that 30 years and well past its sell by date.

Am I right or wrong on this? Does anyone know of anything that BT are doing
to offer faster broadband in the future?

Bob Smith wrote:
> Has BT lost te race to be a fast broadband provider? Seeing as they have
> not got an infrastructure in place to provide fast broadband (I am talking
> 50~100 mbit or more), and looking at what they have not done to make this
> happen, it looks increasingly unlikely that BT will ever be able to provide
> such high speeds needed to progress the digital age any further.
>
> My question is, when will the cable providers start to expand their cable
> networks to areas that are not already covered.
>

when customers are prepared to pay sensible sums of money to repay the
massive investments, not to mention the massive debts, they have already
incurred?


> The street I live in has BT wires waterlogged every time it rains heavy
> (which loses me and others their broadband connection). They have done
> nothing about it in several years and every time it rains, my connection
> either drops or slows down considerably.
>
> I have given up on BT ever being able to provide fast broadband as they
> don't appear to be doing anything to improve their network which has been in
> place for more that 30 years and well past its sell by date.
>
> Am I right or wrong on this? Does anyone know of anything that BT are doing
> to offer faster broadband in the future?
>

Waiting to see where the money comes from.

Which ultimately will be a political issue

If some future government e.g. decides that spending a few billion on
fibering up Britain is a better payback than spending a few billion on
making jobs for stupid useless NHS middle management pen pushers, then
it might happen.

Currently BT is in no mind to invest money in infrastructure, and then
have OFCOM come along and declare they are charging too much for it.

Having other operators run cables or fibres in parallel is
inefficient.De facto, the last half mile will always be a monopoly of
one sort or another: The problem is how to manage a monopoly in the best
interest of its user base, whilst still leaving some profit in it so the
government doesnt have to pay for it out of the public purse.



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On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:11:15 +0100, Bob Smith wrote:

>Am I right or wrong on this? Does anyone know of anything that BT are doing
>to offer faster broadband in the future?

Yes but it depends on where you are. BT are rolling out fibre to the
cabinet to bring faster speeds to people by shortening the length of
their copper line. You can also get fibre to the building in some
places but it's not a fiver a month! They are also busy upgrading their
whole network to 21CN so that people can get ADSL2+.

When your line is waterlogged does voice suffer? If so you can raise a
fault and they will fix it and your ADSL will benefit from that.

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Regards - Rodney Pont
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"Bob Smith" <nospam@nospam.00> wrote in message
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> My question is, when will the cable providers start to expand their cable
> networks to areas that are not already covered.

"Never" is the short but realistic answer to that one.
NTL/Virgin have now consolidated themselves as the de-facto monopoly
suppliers of cable and have gone on record as saying that they do not
propose (can't afford?) to expand their network to other towns or cities
(let alone villages, which were never in the equation) that aren't already
covered.
They are under no obligation to do so either.

George

Mark wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:48:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Bob Smith wrote:
>>> Has BT lost te race to be a fast broadband provider? Seeing as they have
>>> not got an infrastructure in place to provide fast broadband (I am talking
>>> 50~100 mbit or more), and looking at what they have not done to make this
>>> happen, it looks increasingly unlikely that BT will ever be able to provide
>>> such high speeds needed to progress the digital age any further.
>>>
>>> My question is, when will the cable providers start to expand their cable
>>> networks to areas that are not already covered.
>>>
>> when customers are prepared to pay sensible sums of money to repay the
>> massive investments, not to mention the massive debts, they have already
>> incurred?
>>
>>
>>> The street I live in has BT wires waterlogged every time it rains heavy
>>> (which loses me and others their broadband connection). They have done
>>> nothing about it in several years and every time it rains, my connection
>>> either drops or slows down considerably.
>>>
>>> I have given up on BT ever being able to provide fast broadband as they
>>> don't appear to be doing anything to improve their network which has been in
>>> place for more that 30 years and well past its sell by date.
>>>
>>> Am I right or wrong on this? Does anyone know of anything that BT are doing
>>> to offer faster broadband in the future?
>>>
>> Waiting to see where the money comes from.
>>
>> Which ultimately will be a political issue
>>
>> If some future government e.g. decides that spending a few billion on
>> fibering up Britain is a better payback than spending a few billion on
>> making jobs for stupid useless NHS middle management pen pushers, then
>> it might happen.
>>
>> Currently BT is in no mind to invest money in infrastructure, and then
>> have OFCOM come along and declare they are charging too much for it.
>>
>> Having other operators run cables or fibres in parallel is
>> inefficient.De facto, the last half mile will always be a monopoly of
>> one sort or another: The problem is how to manage a monopoly in the best
>> interest of its user base, whilst still leaving some profit in it so the
>> government doesnt have to pay for it out of the public purse.
>
> There are rumours that Openreach will be nationalised. This could
> make it easier to have a major investment in infrastructure.
>
No, it will make it harder.

Because instead of money coming from investors, it will come from
taxpayers. Instead of being purely assessed on a return of investment
basis, you will find that only in marginal political seats will fast
broadband magically appear.

Its a perennially hard nut to crack: How to get an across the board
infrastructure that's good for the country as a whole, without paying
for it.

NHS, education, railtrack, national grid..all are a mess really.

Frankly I suspect the best way to do it, is to do it locally via local
council taxes. As roads are largely done. But that requires a radical
rethink in the way the whole political system operates.

If local planning authorities made provision of publicly accessible
ducting part of every new build, and if councils themselves spent money
on digging fiber in, rather than drop in day centres for one legged
Lesbian Afro Caribbeans*, we might get somewhere. Especially if their
success at the local elections depended more on the fibre, than the
latter ethnic and gender specific groupings.

As it were.

*No offence to One legged Lesbian Afro-Caribbeans, whom I of course have
many as best friends, but you are a minority, dears..

"Bob Smith" <nospam@nospam.00> wrote in message
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> Has BT lost te race to be a fast broadband provider? Seeing as they have
> not got an infrastructure in place to provide fast broadband (I am talking
> 50~100 mbit or more), and looking at what they have not done to make this
> happen, it looks increasingly unlikely that BT will ever be able to
> provide
> such high speeds needed to progress the digital age any further.
>
> My question is, when will the cable providers start to expand their cable
> networks to areas that are not already covered.
>


never - laying them in the first place left them with a horrible debt that
they have yet to get over - they dont want to do any more.



--
Gareth.

that fly...... is your magic wand....

"Bob Smith" <nospam@nospam.00> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Has BT lost te race to be a fast broadband provider? Seeing as they have
> not got an infrastructure in place to provide fast broadband (I am talking
> 50~100 mbit or more), and looking at what they have not done to make this
> happen, it looks increasingly unlikely that BT will ever be able to
provide
> such high speeds needed to progress the digital age any further.
>
> My question is, when will the cable providers start to expand their cable
> networks to areas that are not already covered.
>
> The street I live in has BT wires waterlogged every time it rains heavy
> (which loses me and others their broadband connection). They have done
> nothing about it in several years and every time it rains, my connection
> either drops or slows down considerably.
>
> I have given up on BT ever being able to provide fast broadband as they
> don't appear to be doing anything to improve their network which has been
in
> place for more that 30 years and well past its sell by date.
>
> Am I right or wrong on this? Does anyone know of anything that BT are
doing
> to offer faster broadband in the future?

Forget wires or optic cable.

The future of broadband is wireless.

Just watch the wired providers quirm as the mobile providers put the
pressure on.

"Clive" <457568658678@546867779569568.34> wrote in message
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> Forget wires or optic cable.
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> The future of broadband is wireless.
>
> Just watch the wired providers quirm as the mobile providers put the
> pressure on.
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they've been doing tests on that in japan - if you can get 100mbit wireless
full duplex the case for fibre optic is delayed for a few years at least.



--
Gareth.

that fly...... is your magic wand....

"The dog from that film you saw" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> they've been doing tests on that in japan - if you can get 100mbit
wireless
> full duplex the case for fibre optic is delayed for a few years at least.


I dont believe many users want 100mbit connections. Want they are proving
to want is internet without being tied to a BT line or cable box.
As long as the mobile providers can keep up, they will take much of the
business from fixed services.

"Pete Zahut" <dont@bother> wrote in message
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> You do know, don't you, that "mobile" (whether broadband or just voice
> phone) is only "mobile" to the nearest transmitter site, then it just
joins
> the "ordinary" phone network on the same copper cables/fibre as everything
> else?


Err Yes.
But you do know, dont you?.... that it doesn't need a fixed BT or cable line
or a contract / line rental to use it.