When BT do FTTC ?

If and when BT put fibre cable in do we automatically get connected for some
of the way to the BT exchange?
Or do we stay on copper all the way?
As it happened to anyone?
I'm wanting to know if they will be after more line rental money and a
connection charge.
Regards
David

Mark wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:42:51 +0100, "David" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>> If and when BT put fibre cable in do we automatically get connected for some
>> of the way to the BT exchange?
>
> No.
>
Maybe. Depending.

>> I'm wanting to know if they will be after more line rental money and a
>> connection charge.
>
> Yes.
Maybe not, depending.

BT would be daft NOT to make use of installed fibre to replace trunk
copper from an exchange to a given location (e.g. street box). If they
run out of copper pairs on new installation why are likely to use that
fibre no matter what service the customer is on. If they still sell
lower speed ADSL, they would be fdact not to move that out to the
streetboxes as well.

How they pay fir it, will of course be in increased prices, but whether
they can charge these for EXISTING services when LLU customers may not
and thereby undercut them, is a moot point.

"Mark" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:42:51 +0100, "David" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>>If and when BT put fibre cable in do we automatically get connected for
>>some
>>of the way to the BT exchange?
>
> No.
>
>>I'm wanting to know if they will be after more line rental money and a
>>connection charge.
>
> Yes.
> --

Will stick with copper to cabinet from my house and copper to Exchange then,
hope they will continue to maintain the copper network..
Regards
David

"David" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Mark" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:42:51 +0100, "David" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>If and when BT put fibre cable in do we automatically get connected for
>>>some
>>>of the way to the BT exchange?
>>
>> No.
>>
>>>I'm wanting to know if they will be after more line rental money and a
>>>connection charge.
>>
>> Yes.
>> --
>
> Will stick with copper to cabinet from my house and copper to Exchange
> then, hope they will continue to maintain the copper network..


Is there any truth in the rumour that BT could replace all their copper with
fibre and make a net profit through the sale of the scrap copper?

--
Graham J

"Peter Crosland" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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As for the FTTC I rather doubt BT will
> maintain the copper network to the new cabinets. They will probably just
> cap the speed for those that don't want to pay more.
>
Would that be to BT customers only?
What about those of us with LLU opperators?
Regards
David

>>> As for the FTTC I rather doubt BT will
>>> maintain the copper network to the new cabinets. They will probably just
>>> cap the speed for those that don't want to pay more.

The last slides I saw had the BT DSLAM/MSAN in their street cabinet,
with the ADSL sent down fibre, but the POTS still copper back to
the exchange.

>> Would that be to BT customers only?
>> What about those of us with LLU operators?

LLU operators would be allowed to install a DSLAM/MSAN in a second
cabinet, adjacent to BT's cabinet (so there's a BT cabinet, and an
'other operators' shared cabinet). Clearly that's only going to
happen where their are enough customers of a particular LLU operator
cabled through that cabinet.

I know that Be Broadband are looking at using the BT Wholesale
product in order to have a FTTC offering.

Graham J wrote:
> "David" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> "Mark" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:42:51 +0100, "David" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If and when BT put fibre cable in do we automatically get connected for
>>>> some
>>>> of the way to the BT exchange?
>>> No.
>>>
>>>> I'm wanting to know if they will be after more line rental money and a
>>>> connection charge.
>>> Yes.
>>> --
>> Will stick with copper to cabinet from my house and copper to Exchange
>> then, hope they will continue to maintain the copper network..
>
>
> Is there any truth in the rumour that BT could replace all their copper with
> fibre and make a net profit through the sale of the scrap copper?
>
No.

Last time I looked it was about 30,000 quid a kilometre to lay anything,
be it fiber or copper, unless the ducts already exist. Even then I am
not sure that a mile of 50 pair covers a couple of blokes for a couple
of days heaving fibre and repeaters down tubes..


never mind the termination kit that is now so much scrap and NOT worth
selling.

m wrote:
>
>
> David wrote:
>> If and when BT put fibre cable in do we automatically get connected
>> for some of the way to the BT exchange?
>> Or do we stay on copper all the way?
>> As it happened to anyone?
>> I'm wanting to know if they will be after more line rental money and a
>> connection charge.
>> Regards
>> David
>
> Talking to a BT (Openreach of course actually) man only yesterday, he
> says the initial plan is to leave the PSTN on copper from the exchange
> to the cabinet and put the ADSL/PSTN multiplexing filter in the cabinet
> to do the last bit.
> This has the obvious advantage of being able to still use the phone if
> power to the cabinet fails (local mains without the battery backup
> available in an exchange) and reduces equipment and power/cooling
> requirements in the cabinet.

Hmm. I can see the rationale, but it increases complexity and total copper.


> Of course when (if?) BT get around to FTTH, there will have to be
> powered conversion equipment in the house to get back to proper
> telephone equivalents.

I suspect we will end up with VOIP phones in due course..maybe powered
from the exchange or street cabs. If they have a bit of battery, the
peak requirements of Making A Sound could be handled on a very low
average draw.



> Will BT do individual fibres exchange all the way to home or do like
> Virgin where the phone is often derived in a cabinet (well telewest was
> done like this around here - Ealing)
> This is a bit like Virgin who get the BB to the cabinets by fibre (?)
> and then multiplex onto the co-ax to the home.
>

I cant see any reason for fibre to the premises at speeds that copper
can handle, really.

A coax cable must be capable of gigabit performance. Even a twisted
pair can do 100Mbps over a few hundred meters.

Unless fibre actually becomes cheaper than copper, of course.

> Mike
>

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:20:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Mark wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:42:51 +0100, "David" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If and when BT put fibre cable in do we automatically get connected for some
>>> of the way to the BT exchange?
>>
>> No.
>>
>Maybe. Depending.
>
>>> I'm wanting to know if they will be after more line rental money and a
>>> connection charge.
>>
>> Yes.
>Maybe not, depending.
>
>BT would be daft NOT to make use of installed fibre to replace trunk
>copper from an exchange to a given location (e.g. street box). If they
>run out of copper pairs on new installation why are likely to use that
>fibre no matter what service the customer is on. If they still sell
>lower speed ADSL, they would be fdact not to move that out to the
>streetboxes as well.
>
>How they pay fir it, will of course be in increased prices, but whether
>they can charge these for EXISTING services when LLU customers may not
>and thereby undercut them, is a moot point.
>
>
>

There will of course be a benefit to BT of reduced maintenance costs.
Although over time hydrogen ingress MAY be a problem for fibre, it is
certainly not as susceptible to damage from water ingress. There will
also be less theft as the thieves discover that the scrap value of
processed sand is nil. BT will also receive a one off benefit as they
free up duct space by recovering the copper cables and selling them
for scrap
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Cheers

Peter

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:17:05 +0100, "Peter Crosland"
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>"Graham J" <graham@invalid> wrote in message
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>> "David" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Mark" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:42:51 +0100, "David" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>If and when BT put fibre cable in do we automatically get connected for
>>>>>some
>>>>>of the way to the BT exchange?
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>>>I'm wanting to know if they will be after more line rental money and a
>>>>>connection charge.
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>> --
>>>
>>> Will stick with copper to cabinet from my house and copper to Exchange
>>> then, hope they will continue to maintain the copper network..
>>
>>
>> Is there any truth in the rumour that BT could replace all their copper
>> with fibre and make a net profit through the sale of the scrap copper?
>
>
>That particular rumour has been doing the rounds for at least twenty years.
>I rather doubt there would be a net profit but BT certainly have a lot of
>copper in the ground and the air. As for the FTTC I rather doubt BT will
>maintain the copper network to the new cabinets. They will probably just cap
>the speed for those that don't want to pay more.
>
>Peter Crosland
>

Of course the cost of the kit in the street furniture will have an
effect on BT's decision, but I find it hard to believe they will want
to maintain both copper and fibre networks. Surely there will be the
option of using the fibre to carry POTS?
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Cheers

Peter