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six-toes
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      04-27-2004, 06:47 PM
BT set to fight any move by Ofcom to ring the changes

SCRUTINEER

MARTIN FLANAGAN
CITY EDITOR

IT SEEMS almost another era when British Telecom was strutting around
the globe via joint ventures, trying to become a worldwide force
rather than just a dominant player on home soil facing upstarts like
Vodafone.

That strategy of lebensraum came unstuck in a mountain of debt, a
massive rescue rights issue under new chairman Sir Christopher Bland,
and a sell-off or flotation of businesses no longer seen as core, such
as Yell, the yellow pages business, and mm02, the mobiles operation.

The wheel turns farther, with new UK telecoms regulator Ofcom saying
that a break-up of BT's remaining fixed-line dominance is one of a
number of options under consideration. At first blush, one would have
expected this to send BT's shares crashing. But there was only a
nominal retreat yesterday, suggesting that the market could actually
see advantages for shareholders in such a dismantling of BT's wires
hegemony.

For one thing, a separation of BT's retail and wholesale arms could
allow more aggressive cost-cutting.

And, being a little more cynical, a break-up could also prompt bids
from the rejuvenated venture capital sector (the private equity boys
are everywhere again these days), for BT's network assets.

Expect BT to fight this tooth and nail, and even Ofcom admits break-up
is only one of the hypothetical possibilities being looked at.

Debt-reduced BT looks to have to run the regulatory gauntlet again
But it does not sit well with the government's deregulatory instincts
that two decades after privatisation, BT still controls more than 70
per cent of Britain's home phone market amid disputed allegations that
its wholesale division gives it preferential treatment against other
retail competitors.

BT no doubt hoped this issue was dead, after previous regulatory
investigations have allowed it to stay as a composite retailer and
wholesaler.

Despite Ofcom's protestations that nothing is yet decided, it is
obvious the issue is not dead. Slimmed-down, debt-reduced BT looks to
have to run the regulatory gauntlet again.

Positive signs

THE software and financial services sectors have had a difficult few
years, from which they began emerging in 2003.

Most of software's problems began with the bursting of the dotcom
bubble, while financial services providers have suffered as clients
pulled in their horns as business demand declined amid three years of
plunging stock markets.

But there has been evidence that the worst is over for both sectors
and two little news items yesterday contributed to the drip-drip flow
of more positive information.

US software company Fair Isaac Corp has agreed to buy UK counterpart
London Bridge for £116 million.

That is not only an indicator that prospects look better for the
sector generally, but the hefty 54 per cent premium paid over London
Bridge's share price shows that the Americans believe there is real
value out there again.

Meanwhile, financial industry data provider Dealogic is going ahead
with a stock market flotation that will value the company at £119m to
£154m. Interestingly, Dealogic is not raising any new cash via the
listing on London's junior Alternative Investment Market, so it is
hardly a rescue float, either.

It looks more a way of one of the three founding directors, Simon
Hessel, realising some cash, while the other two founders, Peter Ogden
and Philip Hulme, retain their full 25 per cent stakes each and seek a
listing to enhance Dealogic's brand and motivate staff in a better
business climate.

Taken with the London Bridge deal, they are just two more small
examples of embattled sectors gradually sloughing off difficult times.

False dawn

THEY say the darkest hour comes before the dawn. But it is a kick in
the teeth when that dawn then may have proved false.

An unofficial vigil will now be kept over the next three trading
months after latest figures showed that the fledgling recovery in
Scottish manufacturing at the start of the 2004 has seemingly petered
out with the one exception of exports.

Orders, output and optimism are all down compared with a stronger
performance in the wider UK.

It is possible the latter benefited more from the global upturn than
Scottish manufacturers, whose three main markets remain the US,
Germany and France - the latter two virtually stagnant.

But the real truth is that both the UK and Scottish figures needs to
be put in perspective.

Upward moves, big or small, are from low bases and are likely to
remain so for a while.
 
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      04-27-2004, 07:41 PM

"six-toes" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
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> And, being a little more cynical, a break-up could also prompt bids
> from the rejuvenated venture capital sector (the private equity boys
> are everywhere again these days), for BT's network assets.


We have all seen what has happened to the railways since it was broken up, a
total disaster.


 
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      04-27-2004, 08:12 PM
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:41:57 +0100, "Informer" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>We have all seen what has happened to the railways since it was broken up, a
>total disaster.


but my most measures a roaring success - huge increases in passenger
numbers carried and freight tonneage. Victim of its own success ?

Phil
 
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      04-27-2004, 09:52 PM
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:43:27 +0000, K <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>The telephone system
>is in a lot better shape.


it is now, after two decades of investment by BT in the private
sector. Would be some heavy duty legal actions if breakup was proposed
- compensation etc. 2p on income tax to pay for it ?

Phil
 
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      04-27-2004, 10:43 PM
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:41:57 +0100, Informer wrote:

>
> We have all seen what has happened to the railways since it was broken up, a
> total disaster.


The railway companies inherited an infrastructure that still needs
billions invested to get it into any sort of order. The telephone system
is in a lot better shape.

You also have a short memory regarding how things were under British Rail.

K

 
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Gareth :-\) voom
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      04-28-2004, 04:18 AM
Leave it alone I say....an excellent quality service at an affordable price.
I would hate to see the quality of BT deterioritre like NTL has over the
past few years.

"six-toes" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> BT set to fight any move by Ofcom to ring the changes
>
> SCRUTINEER
>
> MARTIN FLANAGAN
> CITY EDITOR
>
> IT SEEMS almost another era when British Telecom was strutting around
> the globe via joint ventures, trying to become a worldwide force
> rather than just a dominant player on home soil facing upstarts like
> Vodafone.
>
> That strategy of lebensraum came unstuck in a mountain of debt, a
> massive rescue rights issue under new chairman Sir Christopher Bland,
> and a sell-off or flotation of businesses no longer seen as core, such
> as Yell, the yellow pages business, and mm02, the mobiles operation.
>
> The wheel turns farther, with new UK telecoms regulator Ofcom saying
> that a break-up of BT's remaining fixed-line dominance is one of a
> number of options under consideration. At first blush, one would have
> expected this to send BT's shares crashing. But there was only a
> nominal retreat yesterday, suggesting that the market could actually
> see advantages for shareholders in such a dismantling of BT's wires
> hegemony.
>
> For one thing, a separation of BT's retail and wholesale arms could
> allow more aggressive cost-cutting.
>
> And, being a little more cynical, a break-up could also prompt bids
> from the rejuvenated venture capital sector (the private equity boys
> are everywhere again these days), for BT's network assets.
>
> Expect BT to fight this tooth and nail, and even Ofcom admits break-up
> is only one of the hypothetical possibilities being looked at.
>
> Debt-reduced BT looks to have to run the regulatory gauntlet again
> But it does not sit well with the government's deregulatory instincts
> that two decades after privatisation, BT still controls more than 70
> per cent of Britain's home phone market amid disputed allegations that
> its wholesale division gives it preferential treatment against other
> retail competitors.
>
> BT no doubt hoped this issue was dead, after previous regulatory
> investigations have allowed it to stay as a composite retailer and
> wholesaler.
>
> Despite Ofcom's protestations that nothing is yet decided, it is
> obvious the issue is not dead. Slimmed-down, debt-reduced BT looks to
> have to run the regulatory gauntlet again.
>
> Positive signs
>
> THE software and financial services sectors have had a difficult few
> years, from which they began emerging in 2003.
>
> Most of software's problems began with the bursting of the dotcom
> bubble, while financial services providers have suffered as clients
> pulled in their horns as business demand declined amid three years of
> plunging stock markets.
>
> But there has been evidence that the worst is over for both sectors
> and two little news items yesterday contributed to the drip-drip flow
> of more positive information.
>
> US software company Fair Isaac Corp has agreed to buy UK counterpart
> London Bridge for £116 million.
>
> That is not only an indicator that prospects look better for the
> sector generally, but the hefty 54 per cent premium paid over London
> Bridge's share price shows that the Americans believe there is real
> value out there again.
>
> Meanwhile, financial industry data provider Dealogic is going ahead
> with a stock market flotation that will value the company at £119m to
> £154m. Interestingly, Dealogic is not raising any new cash via the
> listing on London's junior Alternative Investment Market, so it is
> hardly a rescue float, either.
>
> It looks more a way of one of the three founding directors, Simon
> Hessel, realising some cash, while the other two founders, Peter Ogden
> and Philip Hulme, retain their full 25 per cent stakes each and seek a
> listing to enhance Dealogic's brand and motivate staff in a better
> business climate.
>
> Taken with the London Bridge deal, they are just two more small
> examples of embattled sectors gradually sloughing off difficult times.
>
> False dawn
>
> THEY say the darkest hour comes before the dawn. But it is a kick in
> the teeth when that dawn then may have proved false.
>
> An unofficial vigil will now be kept over the next three trading
> months after latest figures showed that the fledgling recovery in
> Scottish manufacturing at the start of the 2004 has seemingly petered
> out with the one exception of exports.
>
> Orders, output and optimism are all down compared with a stronger
> performance in the wider UK.
>
> It is possible the latter benefited more from the global upturn than
> Scottish manufacturers, whose three main markets remain the US,
> Germany and France - the latter two virtually stagnant.
>
> But the real truth is that both the UK and Scottish figures needs to
> be put in perspective.
>
> Upward moves, big or small, are from low bases and are likely to
> remain so for a while.



 
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      04-28-2004, 09:31 AM
"Informer" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "six-toes" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
> >

>
> > And, being a little more cynical, a break-up could also prompt bids
> > from the rejuvenated venture capital sector (the private equity boys
> > are everywhere again these days), for BT's network assets.

>
> We have all seen what has happened to the railways since it was broken up,

a
> total disaster.


No to mention the disaster with the break up of AT&T in the USA into little
Bell companies for each state. Look at them now and checkout the situation
of their pay phones now - total chaos.


 
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      05-02-2004, 01:48 PM
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:12:12 +0100, Phil Thompson
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:41:57 +0100, "Informer" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>wrote:
>
>>We have all seen what has happened to the railways since it was broken up, a
>>total disaster.

>
>but my most measures a roaring success


That'd be funny if it wasn't sick.

>- huge increases in passenger numbers carried and freight tonneage. Victim of its own success ?


Dunno where you get those numbers from, but passenger numbers have not
risen that much, and quality of service is through the floor. AND the
govt is still having to subsidise most of the lines to a higher level
than pre-privatisation.


 
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      05-02-2004, 04:12 PM
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:52:43 +0100, Phil Thompson wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:43:27 +0000, K <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>The telephone system
>>is in a lot better shape.

>
> it is now, after two decades of investment by BT in the private
> sector.

When has BT ever gone to the markets to raise private sector to upgrade
the network, this is one of the ironies of the privatisation - the revenue
funded the upgrade.

> Would be some heavy duty legal actions if breakup was proposed
> - compensation etc. 2p on income tax to pay for it ?


Where do you get your figure from, show your workings.


 
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      05-02-2004, 05:15 PM
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Steve
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:52:43 +0100, Phil Thompson wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:43:27 +0000, K <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>The telephone system
>>>is in a lot better shape.

>>
>> it is now, after two decades of investment by BT in the private
>> sector.

>When has BT ever gone to the markets to raise private sector to upgrade
>the network, this is one of the ironies of the privatisation - the revenue
>funded the upgrade.
>
>> Would be some heavy duty legal actions if breakup was proposed
>> - compensation etc. 2p on income tax to pay for it ?

>
>Where do you get your figure from, show your workings.
>
>

A more relevant example may be the split up of Transco from British Gas.
I remember with frustration trying to get BG to take a gas supply
(brought 2 miles down a road at someone else's expense) the remaining
200 yards into a small Severnside community. Because Transco was about
to be hived off, they wouldn't play ball, because they couldn't
guarantee a payback

Or to spell it out, once the retail and common carrier are separate,
what price broadband in, say, Thorpe Cloud?
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robert w hall
 
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