Broadband, POTS and VOIP question

Hi,

I have broadband and a BT telephone line (with a number ported from
NTL)

If I were to use a VOIP provider for my telephone (such as Vonage)
could I cease my BT telephone service but still retain my broadband
access?

Would there be a reduction in line rental ? (i.e. no more BT option 2)

Is there an element of my line rental that covers the broadband bit of
the service BT supplies me, or does none/some/all of the rental
disappear?


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> Hi,
>
> I have broadband and a BT telephone line (with a number ported from
> NTL)
>
> If I were to use a VOIP provider for my telephone (such as Vonage)
> could I cease my BT telephone service but still retain my broadband
> access?
>
> Would there be a reduction in line rental ? (i.e. no more BT option 2)
>
> Is there an element of my line rental that covers the broadband bit of
> the service BT supplies me, or does none/some/all of the rental
> disappear?
>
>
> --
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>
> Remove the INVALID to reply

No BT won't do this.

You have to pay line rental, If you choose not to make (or recieve) calls
its your buisness, they still want the same line rental.

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Peter wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have broadband and a BT telephone line (with a number ported from
> NTL)
>
> If I were to use a VOIP provider for my telephone (such as Vonage)
> could I cease my BT telephone service but still retain my broadband
> access?

No. How would you maintain a broadband connection without a phone line..?
It is possible to do it with a cable provider (with lots of haggling and
hassle) but not if your ADSL is over BT.

> Would there be a reduction in line rental ? (i.e. no more BT option
> 2)
>
> Is there an element of my line rental that covers the broadband bit
> of the service BT supplies me, or does none/some/all of the rental
> disappear?

Your line rental is for the line. Your broadband rental is for broadband.
The two are separate. Whether you use the phone line for calls is
irrelevant, you need the connection to the exchange to get broadband..!

Re. VoIP, I'd be very wary of relying on it completely, it's still
relatively new technology and will not be 100% reliable for a while yet I
think. Also AFAIK most systems don't (yet) permit 999 calls, but I may be
wrong. Certainly the service I use (Sipgate) doesn't as yet, although they
do plan to introduce it.

Ivor

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Peter <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have broadband and a BT telephone line (with a number ported from
> NTL)
>
> If I were to use a VOIP provider for my telephone (such as Vonage)
> could I cease my BT telephone service but still retain my broadband
> access?
>
> Would there be a reduction in line rental ? (i.e. no more BT option 2)
>
> Is there an element of my line rental that covers the broadband bit of
> the service BT supplies me, or does none/some/all of the rental
> disappear?

The BT line basic rental (incuding the now non-optional Together Option1)
covers the physical copper wire between your house and the exchange. Without
this, you can't have broadband - so you have to pay the rental even if you
don't use the line for any voice traffic.

*On top of* the line rental, you have to pay your ISP for the ADSL service.

*On top of* that, you have to pay your VOIP provider for any non-free VOIP
calls you might make.

Does this answer the question?
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Peter wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have broadband and a BT telephone line (with a number ported from
> NTL)
>
> If I were to use a VOIP provider for my telephone (such as Vonage)
> could I cease my BT telephone service but still retain my broadband
> access?
>
> Would there be a reduction in line rental ? (i.e. no more BT option 2)
>
> Is there an element of my line rental that covers the broadband bit of
> the service BT supplies me, or does none/some/all of the rental
> disappear?

You could change to option 1.

Whatever you do you still need to pay BT for the network to carry your ADSL
(i.e line rental)

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 20:29:53 -0000, "Tiscali Tim" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
>Peter <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have broadband and a BT telephone line (with a number ported from
>> NTL)
>>
>> If I were to use a VOIP provider for my telephone (such as Vonage)
>> could I cease my BT telephone service but still retain my broadband
>> access?
>>
>> Would there be a reduction in line rental ? (i.e. no more BT option 2)
>>
>> Is there an element of my line rental that covers the broadband bit of
>> the service BT supplies me, or does none/some/all of the rental
>> disappear?
>
>The BT line basic rental (incuding the now non-optional Together Option1)
>covers the physical copper wire between your house and the exchange. Without
>this, you can't have broadband - so you have to pay the rental even if you
>don't use the line for any voice traffic.

OK, I understand that - Do BT's terms & conditions of service make any
reference to renting the copper only?
>
>*On top of* the line rental, you have to pay your ISP for the ADSL service.

I do that now - no problem there
>
>*On top of* that, you have to pay your VOIP provider for any non-free VOIP
>calls you might make.

No problem there either
>
>Does this answer the question?

I think so - except I'm still unclear as to what the savings are if I
decided not to take a POTs from BT - surely there must be a saving,
after all I'm not occupying any of their switch equipment am I?

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Peter

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"Peter" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 20:29:53 -0000, "Tiscali Tim" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
> >In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> >Peter <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I have broadband and a BT telephone line (with a number ported from
> >> NTL)
> >>
> >> If I were to use a VOIP provider for my telephone (such as Vonage)
> >> could I cease my BT telephone service but still retain my broadband
> >> access?
> >>
> >> Would there be a reduction in line rental ? (i.e. no more BT option 2)
> >>
> >> Is there an element of my line rental that covers the broadband bit of
> >> the service BT supplies me, or does none/some/all of the rental
> >> disappear?
> >
> >The BT line basic rental (incuding the now non-optional Together Option1)
> >covers the physical copper wire between your house and the exchange.
Without
> >this, you can't have broadband - so you have to pay the rental even if
you
> >don't use the line for any voice traffic.
>
> OK, I understand that - Do BT's terms & conditions of service make any
> reference to renting the copper only?
> >
> >*On top of* the line rental, you have to pay your ISP for the ADSL
service.
>
> I do that now - no problem there
> >
> >*On top of* that, you have to pay your VOIP provider for any non-free
VOIP
> >calls you might make.
>
> No problem there either
> >
> >Does this answer the question?
>
> I think so - except I'm still unclear as to what the savings are if I
> decided not to take a POTs from BT - surely there must be a saving,
> after all I'm not occupying any of their switch equipment am I?
>
> --
> Cheers
>
> Peter

Perhaps so,
but as BT do not and, (unless OFCOM forced them to), will not, give you that
option, the argument is academic.


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Peter wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 20:29:53 -0000, "Tiscali Tim" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:

[snip]

> I think so - except I'm still unclear as to what the savings are if
> I decided not to take a POTs from BT - surely there must be a
> saving, after all I'm not occupying any of their switch equipment
> am I?

You *can't* opt not to have a POTS as you call it - you *have* to rent the
line, that line comes with a phone service, whether you like it/use it or
not.

Ivor

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:58:38 +0000, Peter
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I think so - except I'm still unclear as to what the savings are if I
>decided not to take a POTs from BT - surely there must be a saving,
>after all I'm not occupying any of their switch equipment am I?

There's no saving. You pay BT

1) a line rental. They rent you the line. You can use it for DSL,
voice or a 48v power source if you want. Or nothing at all. They don't
care much.

2) a usage-based charge to make phone calls. Make zero calls = save
money.

Additionally you pay your ISP for DSL provision. Some of this goes
back to BT for the cost of the DSLAMs etc.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Peter <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
> I think so - except I'm still unclear as to what the savings are if I
> decided not to take a POTs from BT - surely there must be a saving,
> after all I'm not occupying any of their switch equipment am I?

The simple fact is that you choose not to have a POTS, you can't have ADSL
either!

ADSL needs *wires* - it doesn't travel through the ether!

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