Broadband Petition

Check out this e-petition. I think it is worth sigining, ISP's does
catch some people out especially those who are new to upto 8 meg
packages and so on.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Crystalclear/?showall=1

On 4 Oct, 22:15, naza <naza...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Check out this e-petition. I think it is worth sigining, ISP's does
> catch some people out especially those who are new to upto 8 meg
> packages and so on.
>
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Crystalclear/?showall=1

signed..

Though my beef is more to do with bandwidth throttling during peak
times and FUP

I've just got my MAC through from VM.

I'm footloose and fancy free !

Not sure where I'm going..

Jim.

In article <(E-Mail Removed) .com>, naza
<(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>Check out this e-petition. I think it is worth sigining, ISP's does
>catch some people out especially those who are new to upto 8 meg
>packages and so on.
>
>http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Crystalclear/?showall=1

It should say 'We, the undersigned, are too stupid to understand that
"up to 8Mb/s" means we might get less than 8Mb/s'.

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Ian G8ILZ
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~Ansel Adams

> It should say 'We, the undersigned, are too stupid to understand that
> "up to 8Mb/s" means we might get less than 8Mb/s'.
~Ansel Adams

Yeah, like when ISP's say that you can have unlimited downloads...or
course that means "unlimited" ...doesn't it ?

More to the point...I fully understand that up to 8Mbps means just
that..

I can get up to 6Mbps..in the mornings and daytime...then during the
evening Virgin Media start marshalling things..

Then I'm down to 100-200Kbps..sometimes as much as 1Mbps..hardly my
usual 6Mbps..

If I stay up over midnight then it shoots back up again.

Can't quite see how that works can you ?

How about they word it: Up to 8Mbps unless we actually see evidence
that you are using it and then we'll take most of it away..

Jim.

In news: (E-Mail Removed). com -
(E-Mail Removed) wrote :
>> On 4 Oct, 22:15, naza <naza...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> Check out this e-petition. I think it is worth sigining, ISP's does
>>> catch some people out especially those who are new to upto 8 meg
>>> packages and so on.
>>>
>>> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Crystalclear/?showall=1
>>
>> signed..
>>
>> Though my beef is more to do with bandwidth throttling during peak
>> times and FUP
>>
>> I've just got my MAC through from VM.
>>
>> I'm footloose and fancy free !
>>
>> Not sure where I'm going..
>>
>> Jim.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/broadbandripoff/

Chris

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naza wrote:

> Check out this e-petition. I think it is worth sigining, ISP's does
> catch some people out especially those who are new to upto 8 meg
> packages and so on.
>
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Crystalclear/?showall=1

Pointless. 'Up to 8 meg' is actually accurate as far as it goes. Up to 7.15 meg
would be more truthful as far as the operating system's concerend though.

Of far, far more value would be to know how much damn 'backbone' capacity an ISP
has per user.

Graham

> Of far, far more value would be to know how much damn 'backbone' capacity an ISP
> has per user.
>
> Graham


I agree with that 100% and also if they got to the point that it was
saturated then they'd pop their hands in their pockets and provision
some more capacity.

Surely someone who works for them (VM) would know how much they've got

Jim.

(E-Mail Removed) wrote:

> I can get up to 6Mbps..in the mornings and daytime...then during the
> evening Virgin Media start marshalling things..
>
> Then I'm down to 100-200Kbps..sometimes as much as 1Mbps..hardly my
> usual 6Mbps..
>
> If I stay up over midnight then it shoots back up again.
>
> Can't quite see how that works can you ?

Where I used to work we had an NTL:telewest business broadband line. We used
several different monitoring systems to monitor our customers systems [I
suspect most of our customers traffic was us monitoring them, but never
mind], one of which was Smokeping [oss.oetiker.ch/smokeping/]. This is a
great little bit of software that pings whatever you want to monitor and
then plots a graph of the latency and packet loss vs time. One thing I
noticed on the graph for every host on the internet we monitor, every day
at 1800, the latency showed a marked increase, and the drop off after 0000
was equally marked. This cannot have been an accident, so VM must be doing
something on their network for these six hours that causes an increase in
latency, even for their business broadband customers. The thing that
brought it home to me was that one day before 1800, our cable broadband
went off and the firewall failed traffic over to a backup DSL circuit. The
graphs for that night didn't show the increase in latency between
1800-0000.

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news:q3nNi.221064$(E-Mail Removed)...
> In news: (E-Mail Removed). com -
> (E-Mail Removed) wrote :
>>> On 4 Oct, 22:15, naza <naza...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> Check out this e-petition. I think it is worth sigining, ISP's does
>>>> catch some people out especially those who are new to upto 8 meg
>>>> packages and so on.
>>>>
>>>> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Crystalclear/?showall=1
>>>
>>> signed..
>>>
>>> Though my beef is more to do with bandwidth throttling during peak
>>> times and FUP
>>>
>>> I've just got my MAC through from VM.
>>>
>>> I'm footloose and fancy free !
>>>
>>> Not sure where I'm going..
>>>
>>> Jim.
>
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/broadbandripoff/

I agree with what is said, but these 'government' petitions really are a
waste of time.
The 'government' really couldn't give a shit about a vast majority of
the petitions on that site.
I'd actually feel very small using it to start my own petition on
something.
I'd probly start goin Baaa Baaa Baaa, after I had.

"naza" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) oups.com...
> Check out this e-petition. I think it is worth sigining, ISP's does
> catch some people out especially those who are new to upto 8 meg
> packages and so on.
>
> http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Crystalclear/?showall=1
>


Given that actual line speeds vary by customer largely according to the
quality of their exchange lines, how would you expect ISPs to word their
adverts.

The BT and other web sites give a good indication of the maximum lines speed
you can expect to receive. www.thinkbroadband.com publish ISP comparisons.


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Michael Chare