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P. Totaro
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      11-11-2005, 09:46 PM
Just purchased a new 6db omni to boost the signal to my outdoor deck on one
side of my house and to the garage on the other side.Set it up and didn't
see any improvement over the stock 3db. Went to google to look for a better
antenna and found this comment on another thread, tried it, and it made all
the difference in the world.

Orient the antenna so that the
radiation pattern is along the long axis of your house... In your case
that means the antenna would point across to the shortest side of the
house... You should be able to get link anywhere in the house...


 
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Jeff Liebermann
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      11-12-2005, 04:49 PM
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:46:23 -0500, "P. Totaro" <(E-Mail Removed)>
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>Just purchased a new 6db omni to boost the signal to my outdoor deck on one
>side of my house and to the garage on the other side.Set it up and didn't
>see any improvement over the stock 3db.


Sigh. The stock antenna is probably a 2dBi antenna. The replacement
"6dBi" vertical colinear antennas are more like 5dBi gain. The 3dB
difference in gain will yield about a 40% increase in range or twice
the coverage area. (assuming line of sight, no obstructions, no
reflections, etc). Range doubles for every 6dB increase in gain.
Gain Range Coverage
dB increase increase
6 2x 4x
12 4x 16x
18 8x 64x
24 16x 256x
Note that the coverage increase only applies to omnidirectional
antennas.

>Went to google to look for a better
>antenna and found this comment on another thread, tried it, and it made all
>the difference in the world.
>
> Orient the antenna so that the
>radiation pattern is along the long axis of your house... In your case
>that means the antenna would point across to the shortest side of the
>house... You should be able to get link anywhere in the house...


I don't understand what you're saying. The radiation pattern is
essentially a flat torus and cannot really be "pointed" at anything.
Was this in reference to going between floors in the house, where the
antenna would need to be positioned horizontally so that the radiation
pattern is mostly up and down?

If the omni is positioned vertically and located along the long side
of the house, it has fewer walls and internal obstructions to
penetrate before arriving at the wireless client. Houses also tend to
have more glass on the long sides, which is transparent to RF, while
walls are not. I think this advice really reduces to "avoid going
through obstructions". Is this antenna inside the house or outside?

If you're trying to "illuminate" a building from the outside, it is
best to use a directional antenna with a beamwidth matched to the area
you're trying to illuminate. For example, if the building is 100ft
long, and you're 100ft away from the building, the angle is:
angle = 2 * arctan (50/100) = 53 degrees.
That's roughly what you would get with an 10dBi biquad or 8dBi coffee
can antenna.

You can also use refector type antennas to redirect the signal:
http://www.freeantennas.com

Genric rant:
1. What are you trying to accompolish?
2. What do you have to work with?
Kinda vague on both points.
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      11-12-2005, 06:48 PM
Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> You can also use reflector type antennas to redirect the signal:
> http://www.freeantennas.com


I was going to suggest that, but:

> 1. What are you trying to accomplish?
> 2. What do you have to work with?
> Kinda vague on both points.


I don't think this was a question, but a solution.
The poster indicated that the had a problem, and had solved it by
re-orienting the antenna, and wanted to share that tidbit.

Re-orienting is a good trick, and since he still has an omni antenna, a
reflector from freeantennas.com would still be a good addition.
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Jeff Liebermann
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      11-13-2005, 01:14 AM
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:48:58 +0000 (UTC),
(E-Mail Removed) wrote:

>Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> You can also use reflector type antennas to redirect the signal:
>> http://www.freeantennas.com

>
>I was going to suggest that, but:
>
>> 1. What are you trying to accomplish?
>> 2. What do you have to work with?
>> Kinda vague on both points.


>I don't think this was a question, but a solution.


Agreed. I'm just asking for clarification. I couldn't figure out
what to do with the omni antenna in accordance to:
"Orient the antenna so that the radiation pattern is along the long
axis of your house... In your case that means the antenna would
point across to the shortest side of the house... You should be
able to get link anywhere in the house..."
Specifically, how does one "point" an omnidirectional antenna?

>The poster indicated that the had a problem, and had solved it by
>re-orienting the antenna, and wanted to share that tidbit.


Yep. I didn't understand what problem he was trying to solve and what
he had to work with (equipment, antenna types, topology, size of
house, type of construction, etc). Such solutions such as to "point"
an omnidirectional antenna do not work with all configuration and
topology. Similarly, the solution was quite vague.

>Re-orienting is a good trick, and since he still has an omni antenna, a
>reflector from freeantennas.com would still be a good addition.


Re-orienting, pointing, aiming, or whatever.... how does one do that
with an omni antenna? Does one point the tip of the antenna, or the
donut pattern?


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Rico
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      11-13-2005, 05:41 PM
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:48:58 +0000 (UTC),
>(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>
>>Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>> You can also use reflector type antennas to redirect the signal:
>>> http://www.freeantennas.com

>>
>>I was going to suggest that, but:
>>
>>> 1. What are you trying to accomplish?
>>> 2. What do you have to work with?
>>> Kinda vague on both points.

>
>>I don't think this was a question, but a solution.

>
>Agreed. I'm just asking for clarification. I couldn't figure out
>what to do with the omni antenna in accordance to:
> "Orient the antenna so that the radiation pattern is along the long
> axis of your house... In your case that means the antenna would
> point across to the shortest side of the house... You should be
> able to get link anywhere in the house..."
>Specifically, how does one "point" an omnidirectional antenna?
>
>>The poster indicated that the had a problem, and had solved it by
>>re-orienting the antenna, and wanted to share that tidbit.

>
>Yep. I didn't understand what problem he was trying to solve and what
>he had to work with (equipment, antenna types, topology, size of
>house, type of construction, etc). Such solutions such as to "point"
>an omnidirectional antenna do not work with all configuration and
>topology. Similarly, the solution was quite vague.


Sounded to me like he set up his AP in about the middle (length wise) of
his house but closer to one of the walls on the long side (my house as an
example is more of a rectangle then a square - more frontage then depth,
I'm guessing his is too). What he is trying to do is light a room on one
end of the house and his deck which is on the opposite end of the house.
Again picture a rectangle not a square.
The orientation I suspect at least this is what it soumds like to me
regarding the antenna when he says point it. Most omnis that come out of
the box with APs are 'sticks' you can point them up, vertically or point
them in some direction, horizontally with the end (away from the back of
the AP where it attaches) in whatever direction the user desires.

Please note here I am not saying this is a good idea, a bad idea or
anything else icluding that it would have some big impact on radiation
pattern. I am simply trying to help you understand what I suspect he is
saying. Personally I don't see how orinetung the antenna horizontally would
help in this situation, but in his case, it worked. I imagine it worked
because frequnetly simply moving the antenna a few inches can often have
profound effects on the signal going where you want in a house full of
walls, windows, and metal appliances.
I moved the antenna and AP itself on my little linksys (G) an inch to the
left as I was looking at it the other day and my signal level on my laptop
in another room according to the little Windows display added two bars.
Best guess on my part I moved out of line with some wiring or conduit in
one of the intervening walls. Who knows, but the results are clear to see
(until the next time someone dusts the table the AP is on <grin>)

>
>>Re-orienting is a good trick, and since he still has an omni antenna, a
>>reflector from freeantennas.com would still be a good addition.

>
>Re-orienting, pointing, aiming, or whatever.... how does one do that
>with an omni antenna? Does one point the tip of the antenna, or the
>donut pattern?


Again alter the antenna from vertical to horizontal is what I'm betting he
meant. Not saying this is a good idea, just sharing my 'translation'.

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