Best G Router for Home

Lem wrote:
> (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>> Sounds pretty impressive. I think I will get it. Never heard of it
>> before and it is in none of my stores.
>>
>> To get a wider range does it need special adapters ("super G" or
>> "extreme") or should I get a wider range with plain G adapters?
>>
>> Thank you Jack.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> Jack (MVP-Networking). wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> Zyxel 550 -
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...pk=zyxel%2b550
>>> ----------
>>> Disclaimer: I have No connection with any of the Hardware
>>> providers, or and, the vendors that I mentioned above.
>>> Jack (MS, MVP-Networking)
>>>
>>>
>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> I am having range problems with my home router (Trendnet 432BRP B1)
>>>> when WPA is implemented. WPA seems to greatly reduce the effective
>>>> range. So I am considering replacing the router if another router
>>>> will give me better range with WPA.
>>>>
>>>> Is that a reasonable option or would a Range Expander (WRE54G) be a
>>>> better option? My PCs have G adapters.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>
>>
>
> In general, products that basically are wireless-G but claim to have
> better range or throughput use proprietary modifications to the IEEE
> 802.11g standard. As such, they generally require the use of products
> in the same make and model line in order to achieve the claimed
> benefits. Usually, using such products with standard wireless-G
> adapter will get you standard wireless-G performance. However, ZyXEL
> claims otherwise:
>
> "When the X-550 connects with non XtremeMIMO products, it extends the
> range and raises the throughput."
>
> I assume those enhancements would be less than what you would get if
> you used the X-550 with ZyXEL's own XTremeMIMO adapters. I don't
> know what would happen if you took a chance and used adapters from
> Linksys, D-Link, or someone else that had "MIMO" or "RangeBoost" or a
> similar enhancement.

Thanks for the sage advice. I hear you.

Jeff

The Seabat wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:10:11 -0400, "(E-Mail Removed)"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>> The Seabat wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:29:59 -0400, Barb Bowman <(E-Mail Removed)>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I would still suggest you pick from that list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:59:48 -0400, "(E-Mail Removed)"
>>>>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am on XP SP3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am looking for a G type router which would have better range
>>>>>>> than the one I now have. I assume some have better range than
>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Barb Bowman wrote:
>>>>>>>> while you don't specify operating systems, if you want a new
>>>>>>>> router that will work with Vista, start at
>>>>>>>> http://winqual.microsoft.com/HCL/Pro...=v&cid=712&g=d
>>>>>>>> and pick something from the list there.
>>>>
>>>> "Windows Logo'd Products List
>>>> The Windows Logo'd Products List is currently only compatible with
>>>> Internet Explorer 6 and above. We apologize for the inconvenience."
>>>>
>>>> ?????? Kinda freakin' rude, ain't it?
>>>
>>> It is rude. I accessed it using Firefox ;-)
>
> That's the browser of choice that I was using! Maybe I should have
> turned on all the scripts I have blocked and then it would have
> displayed properly? Naaawwwww, I'll pass.

Or just click on the IE Tab addin and live dangerously ;-)

HI
While in general Lem's notion are true. MIMO or not, the Zyxel mentioned
above has a good radio and it is in general better than most of the current
802.11g Wireless Router.
Jack (MS, MVP-Networking)

"Lem" <lemp40@unknownhost> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>> Sounds pretty impressive. I think I will get it. Never heard of it
>> before and it is in none of my stores.
>>
>> To get a wider range does it need special adapters ("super G" or
>> "extreme") or should I get a wider range with plain G adapters?
>>
>> Thank you Jack.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> Jack (MVP-Networking). wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> Zyxel 550 -
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...pk=zyxel%2b550
>>> ----------
>>> Disclaimer: I have No connection with any of the Hardware providers,
>>> or and, the vendors that I mentioned above.
>>> Jack (MS, MVP-Networking)
>>>
>>>
>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> I am having range problems with my home router (Trendnet 432BRP B1)
>>>> when WPA is implemented. WPA seems to greatly reduce the effective
>>>> range. So I am considering replacing the router if another router
>>>> will give me better range with WPA.
>>>>
>>>> Is that a reasonable option or would a Range Expander (WRE54G) be a
>>>> better option? My PCs have G adapters.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>
>>
>
> In general, products that basically are wireless-G but claim to have
> better range or throughput use proprietary modifications to the IEEE
> 802.11g standard. As such, they generally require the use of products in
> the same make and model line in order to achieve the claimed benefits.
> Usually, using such products with standard wireless-G adapter will get you
> standard wireless-G performance. However, ZyXEL claims otherwise:
>
> "When the X-550 connects with non XtremeMIMO products, it extends the
> range and raises the throughput."
>
> I assume those enhancements would be less than what you would get if you
> used the X-550 with ZyXEL's own XTremeMIMO adapters. I don't know what
> would happen if you took a chance and used adapters from Linksys, D-Link,
> or someone else that had "MIMO" or "RangeBoost" or a similar enhancement.
>
> --
> Lem -- MS-MVP
>
> To the moon and back with 2K words of RAM and 36K words of ROM.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
> http://history.nasa.gov/afj/compessay.htm

Thanks. On the other hand it seems to have had a problem with power burning
out. Has that problem been resolved?

Jeff

Jack (MVP-Networking). wrote:
> HI
> While in general Lem's notion are true. MIMO or not, the Zyxel
> mentioned above has a good radio and it is in general better than
> most of the current 802.11g Wireless Router.
> Jack (MS, MVP-Networking)
>
> "Lem" <lemp40@unknownhost> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>>> Sounds pretty impressive. I think I will get it. Never heard of it
>>> before and it is in none of my stores.
>>>
>>> To get a wider range does it need special adapters ("super G" or
>>> "extreme") or should I get a wider range with plain G adapters?
>>>
>>> Thank you Jack.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> Jack (MVP-Networking). wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>> Zyxel 550 -
>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...pk=zyxel%2b550
>>>> ----------
>>>> Disclaimer: I have No connection with any of the Hardware
>>>> providers, or and, the vendors that I mentioned above.
>>>> Jack (MS, MVP-Networking)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>> I am having range problems with my home router (Trendnet 432BRP
>>>>> B1) when WPA is implemented. WPA seems to greatly reduce the
>>>>> effective range. So I am considering replacing the router if
>>>>> another router will give me better range with WPA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that a reasonable option or would a Range Expander (WRE54G) be
>>>>> a better option? My PCs have G adapters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>
>> In general, products that basically are wireless-G but claim to have
>> better range or throughput use proprietary modifications to the IEEE
>> 802.11g standard. As such, they generally require the use of
>> products in the same make and model line in order to achieve the
>> claimed benefits. Usually, using such products with standard
>> wireless-G adapter will get you standard wireless-G performance. However,
>> ZyXEL claims otherwise: "When the X-550 connects with non XtremeMIMO
>> products, it extends the
>> range and raises the throughput."
>>
>> I assume those enhancements would be less than what you would get if
>> you used the X-550 with ZyXEL's own XTremeMIMO adapters. I don't
>> know what would happen if you took a chance and used adapters from
>> Linksys, D-Link, or someone else that had "MIMO" or "RangeBoost" or
>> a similar enhancement. --
>> Lem -- MS-MVP
>>
>> To the moon and back with 2K words of RAM and 36K words of ROM.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
>> http://history.nasa.gov/afj/compessay.htm

FCC sets the power specs so all brands of G do the same thing. Higher gain
antennas may help only a little

G devices have a maximum range of around 350 feet or so *horizontally*. But
a good usable range is only around 150 feet *horizontally*. Distance
effects signal strength, signal strength effects speed, speed effects
usefulness. Some building materials and other EM producing equipment can
hinder it further. Don't forget that the Nic in the PC has to connect BACK
to the Wireless device as well. It is not just the "router" getting out to
the PCs,...it is also the PCs "getting out" to the "router".

Repeaters will cut the speed in half for devices that have to use the
repeater.

To cover large areas, instead of repeaters or extenders just forget about
the "wireless" firewall all-to-gether. Use a cabled-only firewal and run
cables out from it in different directions from the firewall up to but not
over 300 feet. Buy Wireless Access Points (not "routers") and put them on
the cables. Users then use the WAP that they are the closest to.

The idea of Wireless is to replace the *Patch Cables* between a PC and the
Switch with a radio signal,...it isn't meant to replace the whole entire
network. So you position Wireless Access Points in stategic postions just
like you would stategically position Switches in a wired system.


--
Phillip Windell
www.wandtv.com

The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft,
or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
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"John" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:2e0c8f3b-bb1e-4637-995e-(E-Mail Removed)...
I would get a range expander or repeter as they are called. I don't
find any router on the consumer market to have over 30 feet of range.
I got the range max Netgear because it was supposed to have better
range, not. If you use their NIC card maybe but you don't have that
option with your PDA. I can barely get a connection fom my bedroom to
the livingroom and this is a small house.

John

On Jul 23, 2:25 am, <J...@unknown.com> wrote:
> I am having range problems with my homerouter(Trendnet 432BRP B1) when WPA
> is implemented. WPA seems to greatly reduce the effective range. So I am
> considering replacing therouterif anotherrouterwill give me better range
> with WPA.
>
> Is that a reasonable option or would a Range Expander (WRE54G) be a better
> option? My PCs have G adapters.
>
> Jeff

wireless signal strength depends on lots of things, type and
construction of walls, obstacles (HVAC ducts) even the angle of the
walls where signal goes through. not to mention 2.4GHz interference.
Appliances, mirrors and lots of other obstacles can degrade
performance.

what is your environment like?

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:19:44 -0700 (PDT), John <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>I would get a range expander or repeter as they are called. I don't
>find any router on the consumer market to have over 30 feet of range.
>I got the range max Netgear because it was supposed to have better
>range, not. If you use their NIC card maybe but you don't have that
>option with your PDA. I can barely get a connection fom my bedroom to
>the livingroom and this is a small house.
>
>John
>
>On Jul 23, 2:25*am, <J...@unknown.com> wrote:
>> I am having range problems with my homerouter(Trendnet 432BRP B1) when WPA
>> is implemented. *WPA seems to greatly reduce the effective range. *So I am
>> considering replacing therouterif anotherrouterwill give me better range
>> with WPA.
>>
>> Is that a reasonable option or would a Range Expander (WRE54G) be a better
>> option? *My PCs have G adapters.
>>
>> Jeff
--

Barb Bowman
MS-MVP
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