Before we begin

Trying to do as much pre-thinking as I can before starting with a wireless
home network then broadband.

Plans are to set up a network first, using a combo router, broadband modem,
access point. Then get a broadband account.

Latest question - at present I have a dial-up account with Claranet. One of
the good things about that is that we use the Claranet email address for all
personal email. But my wife also has a home-based business with her own
domain name. She connects via Claranet, and then uses her own email server
to send and receive business emails. Not all dial-up ISPs allow that. It's
something to do with allowing some port or other to be open. Does anyone
know if Broadband providers will allow her to connect to her business server
and contnue as at present, or would the business need to change email
addresses (Claranet's broadband service is madly expensive)

Many thanks

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:09:47 +0100, "Me" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Trying to do as much pre-thinking as I can before starting with a wireless
>home network then broadband.
>
>Plans are to set up a network first, using a combo router, broadband modem,
>access point. Then get a broadband account.

Prior Preparation and Planning ... I like it.

> Not all dial-up ISPs allow that. It's
>something to do with allowing some port or other to be open.

Correct. Port 25 outgoing, to allow the sending of email.

> Does anyone
>know if Broadband providers will allow her to connect to her business server
>and contnue as at present, or would the business need to change email
>addresses (Claranet's broadband service is madly expensive)

As far as I know, most don't (BT/Yahoo stick in my mind as an
exception, but that may be outdated information).

You'll probably get better information in uk.telecom.broadband, and,
at <http://www.adslguide.org.uk>

Derek
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"OK! LET'S GET ONE THING STRAIGHT. I'M IN CHARGE OF THE CPU FOR THE NEXT 40
MILLISECONDS!" -- Commment from the Space Shuttle IPL code, power failure
handling.

Derek wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:09:47 +0100, "Me" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Trying to do as much pre-thinking as I can before starting with a
>> wireless home network then broadband.
>>
>> Plans are to set up a network first, using a combo router, broadband
>> modem, access point. Then get a broadband account.
>
> Prior Preparation and Planning ... I like it.
>
>> Not all dial-up ISPs allow
>> that. It's something to do with allowing some port or other to be
>> open.
>
> Correct. Port 25 outgoing, to allow the sending of email.
>
>> Does
>> anyone know if Broadband providers will allow her to connect to her
>> business server and contnue as at present, or would the business
>> need to change email addresses (Claranet's broadband service is
>> madly expensive)
>
> As far as I know, most don't (BT/Yahoo stick in my mind as an
> exception, but that may be outdated information).
>
> You'll probably get better information in uk.telecom.broadband, and,
> at <http://www.adslguide.org.uk>
>
> Derek

thanks Derek, will pursue those suggestions

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:09:47 +0100, Me wrote:

> Trying to do as much pre-thinking as I can before starting with a wireless
> home network then broadband.
>
> Plans are to set up a network first, using a combo router, broadband modem,
> access point. Then get a broadband account.
>
> Latest question - at present I have a dial-up account with Claranet. One of
> the good things about that is that we use the Claranet email address for all
> personal email. But my wife also has a home-based business with her own
> domain name. She connects via Claranet, and then uses her own email server
> to send and receive business emails. Not all dial-up ISPs allow that. It's
> something to do with allowing some port or other to be open. Does anyone
> know if Broadband providers will allow her to connect to her business server
> and contnue as at present, or would the business need to change email
> addresses (Claranet's broadband service is madly expensive)
>
> Many thanks

If this is a web based email service, Ie. used via a browser, there will
be no problem from any ISP. If you are happy with Clara as a dial-up
service why not use their broadbamd service. Usually if port blocking is
not applied to ther dial-up, their broadband service should not be blocked
either.
I use Demon as my broadband ISP all ports (both send and receive) are open.

Graham.

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:09:47 +0100, "Me" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Trying to do as much pre-thinking as I can before starting with a wireless
>home network then broadband.

When you get yer wireless up .. I'd change the SSID from default,
enable 128bit WEP and turn off SSID broadcast, disable DHCP and use
static IP addresses and limit i/p address range. (not totally secure
but better than nothing). ;-)
>
>Plans are to set up a network first, using a combo router, broadband modem,
>access point. Then get a broadband account.

Are you sure you will not get ADSL? If you go for a router with just a
WAN port you can get whatever modem is suitable (cable / ADSL).
>
>Latest question - at present I have a dial-up account with Claranet. One of
>the good things about that is that we use the Claranet email address for all
>personal email. But my wife also has a home-based business with her own
>domain name.

Just a note: Will you be requesting a 'Business service' ? (I believe
you are supposed to and of course you pay more?).

She connects via Claranet, and then uses her own email server
>to send and receive business emails.

As mentioned elesewhere that WILL be fine if it's a WEB base email
service (but it sounds like you would know that).


Not all dial-up ISPs allow that.

The only ISP I'd avoid like the plague is AOL. They don't seem to
allow anything (and screws up yer IE in the processes)

It's
>something to do with allowing some port or other to be open. Does anyone
>know if Broadband providers will allow her to connect to her business server
>and contnue as at present, or would the business need to change email
>addresses (Claranet's broadband service is madly expensive)

Are we talking about accessing one ISP's SMTP (outgoing) mail server
from a different ISP? (is this the Port 23 thing?) Getting to the POP
server should be straight forward but you (I think) normally have to
send mail via your local ISP's server ("I am not a relay" etc)

All the best ..

T i m

No, it's a PO3 email account/process.

Claranets broadband seems very expensive, which is why I'm looking
elsewhere - which is part of why I'm doing this whole thing in stages - if
my wife lost her email facility through her own domain ........ well, it
just doesn't bear thinking about!!!!

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:39:44 +0100, "Me" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>No, it's a PO3 email account/process.

Is that in both directions?

*Normally*, it's POP for received mail and SMTP for transmitted mail?

I put my in-laws on broadband recently and they gained an extra 15 NTL
email addresses.

They were using Freeserve dial-up on a pay-as-you-go account using
Freeserves POP / SMTP servers.

When I setup their new NTL accounts I had to use NTL's SMTP server to
transmit (smtp.ntlworld.com) and could use Freeserve's POP
(pop.freeserve.net) ato allow them to collect mail from their old
account (till the account times out in 90 days or whatever (it can be
reset)) and pop.ntlworld.com for thier new accounts.

When they have migrated everyone onto the NTL account they can forget
the Freeserve one?

I'm not sure if this is what you are suggesting / asking though?

All the best ..

T i m

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:09:47 +0100, "Me" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>One of
>the good things about that is that we use the Claranet email address for all
>personal email. But my wife also has a home-based business with her own
>domain name. She connects via Claranet, and then uses her own email server
>to send and receive business emails. Not all dial-up ISPs allow that. It's
>something to do with allowing some port or other to be open. Does anyone
>know if Broadband providers will allow her to connect to her business server
>and contnue as at present, or would the business need to change email
>addresses (Claranet's broadband service is madly expensive)

she should be able to use the new broadband ISPs SMTP server to send
mail without changing email address, the latter is just set in the
mail client and you send with a different server, that's all. Griffin
and Demon ADSL accounts allow you to run your own SMTP server, to use
their SMTP server for mail from/to any address and to use 3rd prty
SMTP servers. Can't comment on others from experience but in the past
most restrictions have just made you use thier server for sending even
if you were trying to use a 3rd party.

So she should be able to collect with POP3 from the current server and
send with new ISP's SMTP for definite, and most likely use existing
SMTP server too.

Phil

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:39:44 +0100, Me wrote:

> No, it's a PO3 email account/process.
>
> Claranets broadband seems very expensive, which is why I'm looking
> elsewhere - which is part of why I'm doing this whole thing in stages - if
> my wife lost her email facility through her own domain ........ well, it
> just doesn't bear thinking about!!!!

You can normally arrange for your wife's domain host to forward the mail
to another ISP's mail service. If that is the case there is no need to
access the mail directly from their server.

Your outgoing mail will be SMTP this can be sent via your new ISP with
your wife's domain address for replies.

Graham.

"Me" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Trying to do as much pre-thinking as I can before starting with a
wireless
> home network then broadband.
>
> Plans are to set up a network first, using a combo router, broadband
modem,
> access point. Then get a broadband account.
>
> Latest question - at present I have a dial-up account with Claranet.
One of
> the good things about that is that we use the Claranet email address
for all
> personal email. But my wife also has a home-based business with her
own
> domain name. She connects via Claranet, and then uses her own email
server
> to send and receive business emails.

Is this service provided by Clara? If so, you need to stay with them
(probably). Otherwise you should be fine.

> Not all dial-up ISPs allow that. It's
> something to do with allowing some port or other to be open. Does
anyone
> know if Broadband providers will allow her to connect to her business
server
> and contnue as at present, or would the business need to change email
> addresses (Claranet's broadband service is madly expensive)

*normally* the problem with email crossing ISPs is that the ISP who runs
the sending server restricts access to customers connected through
themself. eg, BTyahoo won't let you send emails when dialled up to
Virgin. This is partly to prevent spam, and partly to increase revenue
from PAYG customers.

HTH
G