BB ISP for (1) one fixed IP and (2) two fixed IPs

I am after the above. I have contacted the main players and they seem
to offer this only on "business" accounts that range from £50/month
upwards. It is for very light usage, but there is no way around the
need for the fixed IPs, they are for a specific purpose.


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Peter wrote:
> I am after the above. I have contacted the main players and they seem
> to offer this only on "business" accounts that range from £50/month
> upwards. It is for very light usage, but there is no way around the
> need for the fixed IPs, they are for a specific purpose.

It's unlikely you'll get two fixed IPs. Even if you got a block of 4
three would instantly 'disappear' leaving you with one usable.

Try Zen, they will give you a block of 8, leaving 5 usable, this is on
both home and business packages.

Unless my clients have very strong preferences, I always try to point
them towards Zen, you get very good service from them

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Martin <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>It's unlikely you'll get two fixed IPs. Even if you got a block of 4
>three would instantly 'disappear' leaving you with one usable.
>
>Try Zen, they will give you a block of 8, leaving 5 usable, this is on
>both home and business packages.
>
>Unless my clients have very strong preferences, I always try to point
>them towards Zen, you get very good service from them

Why do some IPs disappear?

This is for an application where no www or ftp hosting will be
required, and I find that the ISPs that offer fixed IPs tend to do
them as "business" packages with loads of webspace, free domains and
such.


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> Martin <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>It's unlikely you'll get two fixed IPs. Even if you got a block of 4
>>three would instantly 'disappear' leaving you with one usable.
>>
>>Try Zen, they will give you a block of 8, leaving 5 usable, this is on
>>both home and business packages.
>
> Why do some IPs disappear?

Network address (all 0 subnet), broadcast address (all 1 subnet), and
router each eat an address. [The need for a network address is
debatable, but it's historical (from a bug in BSD3), and is now the
accepted practice.]

> This is for an application where no www or ftp hosting will be
> required, and I find that the ISPs that offer fixed IPs tend to do
> them as "business" packages with loads of webspace, free domains and
> such.

Vispa (my ISP) provide fixed IP. As does Metronet, I believe.

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Peter wrote:

> Martin <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>
>>It's unlikely you'll get two fixed IPs. Even if you got a block of 4
>>three would instantly 'disappear' leaving you with one usable.
>>
>>Try Zen, they will give you a block of 8, leaving 5 usable, this is on
>>both home and business packages.
>>
>>Unless my clients have very strong preferences, I always try to point
>>them towards Zen, you get very good service from them
>
>
> Why do some IPs disappear?
>
> This is for an application where no www or ftp hosting will be
> required, and I find that the ISPs that offer fixed IPs tend to do
> them as "business" packages with loads of webspace, free domains and
> such.

yes, but check out Zen, they will do a block of 8 IPs on home and
business packages.

3 IPs 'disappear' well not really disappear, but are not usable for
devices. They'll be Network, Broadcast and Gateway. If you have a
network of say 192.168.3.0/24 then 192.168.3.0 is Network, 3.255
Broadcast and you'll have a Gateway as well 3.x where x isn't 0 or 255.
Hence 3 IPs disappear from your usable block.

If it's commercial, email me and we can discuss rates I don't munge
my address

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>If it's commercial, email me and we can discuss rates I don't munge
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I did

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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, Peter wrote:

> I am after the above. I have contacted the main players and they seem
> to offer this only on "business" accounts that range from £50/month
> upwards. It is for very light usage, but there is no way around the
> need for the fixed IPs, they are for a specific purpose.

We offer static IPs with our ADSL offerings. We'll provide a block of 8
which gives you 6 usable IPs - one of which will automatically be assigned
to your modem or router.

Our price for 512K with static IPs is £25/month.

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will kemp <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:27:17 +0000, Martin wrote:
>
>> 3 IPs 'disappear' well not really disappear, but are not usable for
>> devices. They'll be Network, Broadcast and Gateway. If you have a
>> network of say 192.168.3.0/24 then 192.168.3.0 is Network, 3.255
>> Broadcast and you'll have a Gateway as well 3.x where x isn't 0 or 255.
>> Hence 3 IPs disappear from your usable block.
>
> there's no real reason why you have to have a special "gateway" address
> that doesn't do anything else. if you're using a usb modem, the gateway
> can be one of the two servers (or both of them, of course). if you're

Is there any reason that I couldn't simply setup my router so that
it thinks I have a /24 (though I only have a /30) (other than not being
able to access the other 248 or so addresses) so I can use all 4?

(the other addresses would of course be firewalled off, to stop
any confused machines trying to touch anything they shouldn't)

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:27:17 +0000, Martin wrote:

> 3 IPs 'disappear' well not really disappear, but are not usable for
> devices. They'll be Network, Broadcast and Gateway. If you have a
> network of say 192.168.3.0/24 then 192.168.3.0 is Network, 3.255
> Broadcast and you'll have a Gateway as well 3.x where x isn't 0 or 255.
> Hence 3 IPs disappear from your usable block.

there's no real reason why you have to have a special "gateway" address
that doesn't do anything else. if you're using a usb modem, the gateway
can be one of the two servers (or both of them, of course). if you're
using a router and the router does NAT, then you can forward all incoming
connections on the gateway ip address to one of the servers and route the
other ip address to the other server. if you're using a router that
doesn't do NAT, then throw it away! ;-)

by the way, a "/24" ip address block has 254 usable adresses! a "/30"
block has 2. (a "/29" has 6 and a theoretical "/31" would have 0!) ;-)

will

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> will kemp <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:27:17 +0000, Martin wrote:
> >
> >> 3 IPs 'disappear' well not really disappear, but are not usable for
> >> devices. They'll be Network, Broadcast and Gateway. If you have a
> >> network of say 192.168.3.0/24 then 192.168.3.0 is Network, 3.255
> >> Broadcast and you'll have a Gateway as well 3.x where x isn't 0 or 255.
> >> Hence 3 IPs disappear from your usable block.
> >
> > there's no real reason why you have to have a special "gateway" address
> > that doesn't do anything else. if you're using a usb modem, the gateway
> > can be one of the two servers (or both of them, of course). if you're
>
> Is there any reason that I couldn't simply setup my router so that
> it thinks I have a /24 (though I only have a /30) (other than not being
> able to access the other 248 or so addresses) so I can use all 4?
>
> (the other addresses would of course be firewalled off, to stop
> any confused machines trying to touch anything they shouldn't)

You would not be able to exchange data with owners of the other 248
addresses.