Baffled

I have a laptop and a desktop networked via a router. Laptop is wireless,
desktop is wired. Verizon DSL comes to both via the router.

Problem: Internet access is fine. I can access the laptop files from the
desktop fine. I can use the desktop's printer from the laptop fine. I CAN'T
access the desktop's files from the laptop. I get the 'you may not have
permission...access denied'message.

Details:
Desktop is running XP Pro. Network connect is static IP - I had trouble with
DHCP but that's a whole 'nuther story.
Laptop is running XP Media Edition. There are two connections - one
wireless-DHCP. The other (I don't fully understand this one) that is labeled
1394 connection - also DHCP.
Router is from Verizon - Westell Versalink

I can ping the desktop from the laptop
I turned off all firewalls
I took off the WEP security
file sharing is on
I turned everything off and went to make coffee. Then turned everything on,
router first.

Any ideas?

Life was so simple before I started networking...

Almost Same Problem for me...
....except, my desktop recognizes my laptop and can access files on my laptop
in the shared documents folder. But, my laptop can't access any documents on
my pc and can't access any printers connected to the pc.

Performed essentially the same steps as you outlined: turned off firewalls,
ran the network setup and wireless network wizards multiple times, but laptop
still can't access the pc. I'm using SBC DSL, instead of Verizon, so I don't
believe the ISP matters.

--
Mark


"Pam" wrote:

> I have a laptop and a desktop networked via a router. Laptop is wireless,
> desktop is wired. Verizon DSL comes to both via the router.
>
> Problem: Internet access is fine. I can access the laptop files from the
> desktop fine. I can use the desktop's printer from the laptop fine. I CAN'T
> access the desktop's files from the laptop. I get the 'you may not have
> permission...access denied'message.
>
> Details:
> Desktop is running XP Pro. Network connect is static IP - I had trouble with
> DHCP but that's a whole 'nuther story.
> Laptop is running XP Media Edition. There are two connections - one
> wireless-DHCP. The other (I don't fully understand this one) that is labeled
> 1394 connection - also DHCP.
> Router is from Verizon - Westell Versalink
>
> I can ping the desktop from the laptop
> I turned off all firewalls
> I took off the WEP security
> file sharing is on
> I turned everything off and went to make coffee. Then turned everything on,
> router first.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Life was so simple before I started networking...
>

You'll find this on another post, but I thought I'd post it here as well.

I found something that works. Don't know if this will help others, but might
be worth a try.

Using the computer that CAN'T access the shared files (a laptop in my case):
I Clicked on the Start Menu, Clicked on "Run" then typed
\\NameofComputer\SharedDocs
with Name of Computer being the name I gave the computer I wanted to access.
And, SharedDocs was the shared documents folder that I wanted to access.

(Finding the correct name of the computer was tricky -- Go to explorer and
right click the "my computer" icon to go to "properties" under properties
you'll get a "System Properties" dialog box. Click the tab that says
"Computer Name" you want the FULL COMPUTER NAME not the COMPUTER DESCRIPTION!)

After I typed in the address, I hit okay, the hourglass icon came up and
then "presto!" my desktop shared documents files suddenly appeared on my
notebook. And, I could access them!

Once I was confident it worked, I was able to use the "add a network place"
wizard to add an icon to my local network list under My Network Places by
manually typing in the same address \\nameofcomputer\shareddocs

After that, I added printers by using the address \\nameofcomputer\printer1
(or two or three, depending on what printer I was adding) To find out what
your printer is called, go to your printers and faxes section of Control
Panel, open your printers and right click on the printer you want to share.
click on properties and then pick the "sharing" tab. Enable sharing that
printer and write down the name shown (it will likely be different from the
name you use -- mine was printer3) Once you know its name and address you can
use the add printers wizard to add it to your other computer.

Not very pretty, but it worked and I am now networked, wirelessly with the
ability to access files and print documents from my laptop.

Mark


"Diamontina Cocktail" wrote:

>
> "Pam" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:282D19EF-FD1D-457F-A82C-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I have a laptop and a desktop networked via a router. Laptop is wireless,
> > desktop is wired. Verizon DSL comes to both via the router.
> >
>
> Frankster, later in this thread, mentioned a way to make it all easier but
> it also depends on which XP you are using on each machine. I had XP Home all
> through the house and it made no difference. I changed this machine to Pro
> and had problems. If you have home and pro mixture, the answer is here:
>
> http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article04-109
>
>
>
>

You had me going with this one, Frankster - because the other part of my
puzzle is 'what is different?' because the lan worked fine before and now it
doesn't - and one thing that I did was change the name on the user account
for the laptop ('Pam' just seemed so much friendlier than my whole name).

So I changed it back but - alas - to no avail. By 'userid' you did mean the
name that I see on the welcome screen, right? There are no passwords on these
machines.

"Frankster" wrote:

> You MUST have the exact same userID/password combination on BOTH computers
> for this to work both ways. From your message it sounds like you need to
> create the exact same userID and Password on your desktop as you are using
> on your laptop and all should be well.
>
> -Frank
>
> "Pam" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:282D19EF-FD1D-457F-A82C-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I have a laptop and a desktop networked via a router. Laptop is wireless,
> > desktop is wired. Verizon DSL comes to both via the router.
> >
> > Problem: Internet access is fine. I can access the laptop files from the
> > desktop fine. I can use the desktop's printer from the laptop fine. I
> > CAN'T
> > access the desktop's files from the laptop. I get the 'you may not have
> > permission...access denied'message.
> >
> > Details:
> > Desktop is running XP Pro. Network connect is static IP - I had trouble
> > with
> > DHCP but that's a whole 'nuther story.
> > Laptop is running XP Media Edition. There are two connections - one
> > wireless-DHCP. The other (I don't fully understand this one) that is
> > labeled
> > 1394 connection - also DHCP.
> > Router is from Verizon - Westell Versalink
> >
> > I can ping the desktop from the laptop
> > I turned off all firewalls
> > I took off the WEP security
> > file sharing is on
> > I turned everything off and went to make coffee. Then turned everything
> > on,
> > router first.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Life was so simple before I started networking...
> >
>
>
>

Diamontina, I followed the annoyances link - but I'm not seeing how it can be
the issue - it says if the problem happens w/ the firewalls off then it won't
help - and the firewalls are off. Am I missing something?

"Diamontina Cocktail" wrote:

>
> "Pam" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:282D19EF-FD1D-457F-A82C-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I have a laptop and a desktop networked via a router. Laptop is wireless,
> > desktop is wired. Verizon DSL comes to both via the router.
> >
>
> Frankster, later in this thread, mentioned a way to make it all easier but
> it also depends on which XP you are using on each machine. I had XP Home all
> through the house and it made no difference. I changed this machine to Pro
> and had problems. If you have home and pro mixture, the answer is here:
>
> http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article04-109
>
>
>
>

Done, Frankster - but still no dice. Thanks for trying though - if you have
any other ideas I'm all ears!

"Frankster" wrote:

> Put in passwords on each. The exact same password.
>
> -Frank
>
> "Pam" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:0A217965-C428-4084-95F0-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > You had me going with this one, Frankster - because the other part of my
> > puzzle is 'what is different?' because the lan worked fine before and now
> > it
> > doesn't - and one thing that I did was change the name on the user account
> > for the laptop ('Pam' just seemed so much friendlier than my whole name).
> >
> > So I changed it back but - alas - to no avail. By 'userid' you did mean
> > the
> > name that I see on the welcome screen, right? There are no passwords on
> > these
> > machines.
> >
> > "Frankster" wrote:
> >
> >> You MUST have the exact same userID/password combination on BOTH
> >> computers
> >> for this to work both ways. From your message it sounds like you need to
> >> create the exact same userID and Password on your desktop as you are
> >> using
> >> on your laptop and all should be well.
> >>
> >> -Frank
> >>
> >> "Pam" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> news:282D19EF-FD1D-457F-A82C-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> >I have a laptop and a desktop networked via a router. Laptop is
> >> >wireless,
> >> > desktop is wired. Verizon DSL comes to both via the router.
> >> >
> >> > Problem: Internet access is fine. I can access the laptop files from
> >> > the
> >> > desktop fine. I can use the desktop's printer from the laptop fine. I
> >> > CAN'T
> >> > access the desktop's files from the laptop. I get the 'you may not have
> >> > permission...access denied'message.
> >> >
> >> > Details:
> >> > Desktop is running XP Pro. Network connect is static IP - I had trouble
> >> > with
> >> > DHCP but that's a whole 'nuther story.
> >> > Laptop is running XP Media Edition. There are two connections - one
> >> > wireless-DHCP. The other (I don't fully understand this one) that is
> >> > labeled
> >> > 1394 connection - also DHCP.
> >> > Router is from Verizon - Westell Versalink
> >> >
> >> > I can ping the desktop from the laptop
> >> > I turned off all firewalls
> >> > I took off the WEP security
> >> > file sharing is on
> >> > I turned everything off and went to make coffee. Then turned everything
> >> > on,
> >> > router first.
> >> >
> >> > Any ideas?
> >> >
> >> > Life was so simple before I started networking...
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Oh, no I'm not offended - I've been hanging around computers long enough to
know that usually the solution is something staring you right in the face...

So, to answer your question: the router has a hardware firewall which is
off. The laptop has only th windows firewall which is off. And the desktop
has Norton Internet Security - it tells me that the firewall is off and the
windows firewall says that it's off and I get warnings on both machines.

I do keep going back to the firewall question - because it does seem like
is should be a firewall conflict somehow - even maybe I somehow have a
firewall that I'm not aware of (I know, you get paranoid after a while...).

I'm going to go through the routine in the annoyances article - just 'cuz I
can't think of what else to try...will post back result


"Diamontina Cocktail" wrote:

>
> "Pam" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:3A26D150-22E0-498F-A898-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Diamontina, I followed the annoyances link - but I'm not seeing how it can
> > be
> > the issue - it says if the problem happens w/ the firewalls off then it
> > won't
> > help - and the firewalls are off. Am I missing something?
> >
>
> Yes possibly. I don't know what YOU mean when you say they are off. Eg, do
> you have Nortons or Zone Alarm or are you using only the XP firewall and if
> that is the case are you using XP firewall on one machine and something else
> on another? See, just turning off a third party firewall isn't enough.
> Reputable 3rd party firewalls, when turning off, turn on the XP firewall so
> though you THINK the firewalls are all off, they aren't.
>
> Not sure about your level of knowledge there and don't mean to be rude so
> apologies if you are offended.
>
>
>

I get the message when I am in Windows Explorer - I can see my folder called
'Shareddocs' in the treee - but when I click on it to view the files I get
the permission message.

When I check the properties on the folder (from the desktop, of course) I
see that file sharing is set properly.

I realize that I posted to the wrong forum - because I added another wired
computer to the network - from it I can access the files on the wireless
laptop just fine - but still can't access files on the original desktop.


"Frankster" wrote:

> Perhaps it would help if you would tell us how you are attempting to access
> the desktop files when you get the "you may not have permission...access
> denied" message? Is this when you map a drive? Are you able to map the
> drive but then not open the file? What kind of file?
>
> -Frank
>
> "Pam" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:EB18B2D2-2A11-4310-AC08-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Done, Frankster - but still no dice. Thanks for trying though - if you
> > have
> > any other ideas I'm all ears!
> >
> > "Frankster" wrote:
> >
> >> Put in passwords on each. The exact same password.
> >>
> >> -Frank
> >>
> >> "Pam" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> news:0A217965-C428-4084-95F0-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> > You had me going with this one, Frankster - because the other part of
> >> > my
> >> > puzzle is 'what is different?' because the lan worked fine before and
> >> > now
> >> > it
> >> > doesn't - and one thing that I did was change the name on the user
> >> > account
> >> > for the laptop ('Pam' just seemed so much friendlier than my whole
> >> > name).
> >> >
> >> > So I changed it back but - alas - to no avail. By 'userid' you did mean
> >> > the
> >> > name that I see on the welcome screen, right? There are no passwords on
> >> > these
> >> > machines.
> >> >
> >> > "Frankster" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> You MUST have the exact same userID/password combination on BOTH
> >> >> computers
> >> >> for this to work both ways. From your message it sounds like you need
> >> >> to
> >> >> create the exact same userID and Password on your desktop as you are
> >> >> using
> >> >> on your laptop and all should be well.
> >> >>
> >> >> -Frank
> >> >>
> >> >> "Pam" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> >> news:282D19EF-FD1D-457F-A82C-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> >> >I have a laptop and a desktop networked via a router. Laptop is
> >> >> >wireless,
> >> >> > desktop is wired. Verizon DSL comes to both via the router.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Problem: Internet access is fine. I can access the laptop files from
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > desktop fine. I can use the desktop's printer from the laptop fine.
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > CAN'T
> >> >> > access the desktop's files from the laptop. I get the 'you may not
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > permission...access denied'message.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Details:
> >> >> > Desktop is running XP Pro. Network connect is static IP - I had
> >> >> > trouble
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > DHCP but that's a whole 'nuther story.
> >> >> > Laptop is running XP Media Edition. There are two connections - one
> >> >> > wireless-DHCP. The other (I don't fully understand this one) that is
> >> >> > labeled
> >> >> > 1394 connection - also DHCP.
> >> >> > Router is from Verizon - Westell Versalink
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I can ping the desktop from the laptop
> >> >> > I turned off all firewalls
> >> >> > I took off the WEP security
> >> >> > file sharing is on
> >> >> > I turned everything off and went to make coffee. Then turned
> >> >> > everything
> >> >> > on,
> >> >> > router first.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Any ideas?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Life was so simple before I started networking...
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
>

"Frankster" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) ...
> Put in passwords on each. The exact same password.
>
> -Frank

File sharing has always been a hit-or-miss thing for me on my home network
of 3 desktops and one laptop. Each system did not use the welcome screen.
I set each system to use it and added unique users and passwords to each
system and that solved the problem. All four systems can now share files
but none of them uses the same user id and password as another.

"Frankster" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:de2dnf76eucfHfLeRVn-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> All four systems can now share files but none of them uses the same user
>> id and password as another.
>
> The fact that you can do this means that you have not instituted NTFS file
> permissions. Possibly you're running FAT file system or possibly you left
> XP Home at the default of "everybody" has access. Or, possibly, you are
> logging onto each box as Administrator using the same Administrator
> password.
>
> In any case, if you have instituted NTFS file permissions (assuming an
> "open" share already exists), when you connect to another computer by
> mapping a drive, you HAVE to pass authentication before you can connect.
> That authentication happens automatically as long as you are coming from
> another box using credentials that exist on the target box. That's how it
> works.
>
> Share permissions and File permissions are two distinctly different
> things. The most restrictive of either will determine access, ultimately.
>
> -Frank

Well Frank, it's still baffling to me, not that I'm as well versed in this
as you and many others. I can say that all drives, including external, are
NTFS and not FAT. Only one system runs XP Home (the laptop) while the three
desktops run XP Pro. Each system is not logged on as an admin nor do they
share the same password. I think I'm more confused now, LOL.