AP aboard Ship

Has anyone successfully deployed A, B or G AP aboard a steel
oceangoing ship?
I'm thinking Cisco 1310 with POE as possible solution. Maybe Proxim
too?
Access would be for mix of stationary systems and notebook(s) located
in wheelhouse and various other quarters/locations etc.
Yes, I know that reflection and multipath could be an issue and site
survey will be required.
Any thoughts?

Thanks in Advance. DP

DonP wrote:

> Has anyone successfully deployed A, B or G AP aboard a steel
> oceangoing ship?
> I'm thinking Cisco 1310 with POE as possible solution. Maybe Proxim
> too?
> Access would be for mix of stationary systems and notebook(s) located
> in wheelhouse and various other quarters/locations etc.
> Yes, I know that reflection and multipath could be an issue and site
> survey will be required.
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks in Advance. DP

Buy some cat5e cable and a drill bit.

"Rôgêr" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:UIGdnZ-2ZI1D8IPfRVn-(E-Mail Removed)...
| DonP wrote:
|
| > Has anyone successfully deployed A, B or G AP aboard a steel
| > oceangoing ship?
| > I'm thinking Cisco 1310 with POE as possible solution. Maybe Proxim
| > too?
| > Access would be for mix of stationary systems and notebook(s) located
| > in wheelhouse and various other quarters/locations etc.
| > Yes, I know that reflection and multipath could be an issue and site
| > survey will be required.
| > Any thoughts?
| >
| > Thanks in Advance. DP
|
| Buy some cat5e cable and a drill bit.

Depending on the vessel and what regulations apply that could be a) illegal
b) very dangerous.

I'd look into Radix (coax that is a cross between a transmission system and
an antenna) another alternative would be RF over fiber.

Not Me wrote:
> "Rôgêr" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:UIGdnZ-2ZI1D8IPfRVn-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> DonP wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone successfully deployed A, B or G AP aboard a steel
>>> oceangoing ship?
>>> I'm thinking Cisco 1310 with POE as possible solution. Maybe Proxim
>>> too?
>>> Access would be for mix of stationary systems and notebook(s)
>>> located in wheelhouse and various other quarters/locations etc.
>>> Yes, I know that reflection and multipath could be an issue and site
>>> survey will be required.
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Thanks in Advance. DP
>>
>> Buy some cat5e cable and a drill bit.
>
> Depending on the vessel and what regulations apply that could be a)
> illegal b) very dangerous.
>
> I'd look into Radix (coax that is a cross between a transmission
> system and an antenna) another alternative would be RF over fiber.

Consider a power line network. A bit slower than Wireless, runs at 14Mb, but
cheap, and seems to work very well on multi deck ships With one generator at
least). If you do an online search, you get Metasearch results 1 - 10 of
about 1,630,030 for power line networking

But below is one of the best starts for reading about it....

Howstuffworks "How Power-line Networking Works"

No new wires! Power-line networking uses the wiring already in your house to
connect your computers.
Learn about the pros and cons of a power-line network and how to set one up.
....

URL: computer.howstuffworks.com/power-network.htm

From my experience:

Powerline seldom works as far as specified - i've never seen it cover more
than 30m with a reasonable signal level.

As for wireles - get a 200mW(23dB) output at least; The dipole antennas are
fairly good - from dipole to usb adapters we easily cover 500m at 11MBit.
Also, same setup, we've penetrated up to 3 thick (60cm) concrete walls - but
no more.

I don't know how a concrete wall and a metal plate relate - but what I do
find is that the USB adapter's signal is more than double if it's located in
front of any metal-ish plate.

The gear we've used were Senao 802.11b Long Range AP's and their mini usb
adapters - see www.miro.co.za for the model numbers+specs.

Good luck, let us know what worked!

Coenraad
Also, check this out: http://www.wish.org.za/802.11b

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:29:42 +0200, in alt.internet.wireless , "Coenraad
Loubser" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I don't know how a concrete wall and a metal plate relate -

A metal hulled ship would act as a pretty good faraday cage. In fact, each
metal-walled compartment would be one. Its very possible you'd get zero
signal from one compartment to the next.


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Mark McIntyre wrote:

> A metal hulled ship would act as a pretty good faraday cage. In fact, each
> metal-walled compartment would be one. Its very possible you'd get zero
> signal from one compartment to the next.

People in this group worry about whether or not a pane of window glass
has a metalicized coating but seem to think wireless is going to work
okay through several metal cubicles.

Okay, I withdraw the smart comment about cat5e, but if someone gets an
access point to work through several metal bulkheads and metal decks,
I'd like to hear more about it. Who knows, maybe the the whole ship will
work as some sort of an antenna ... (or not)

Rôgêr wrote:
> Mark McIntyre wrote:
>
>> A metal hulled ship would act as a pretty good faraday cage. In
>> fact, each metal-walled compartment would be one. Its very possible
>> you'd get zero signal from one compartment to the next.
>
> People in this group worry about whether or not a pane of window glass
> has a metalicized coating but seem to think wireless is going to work
> okay through several metal cubicles.
>
> Okay, I withdraw the smart comment about cat5e, but if someone gets an
> access point to work through several metal bulkheads and metal decks,
> I'd like to hear more about it. Who knows, maybe the the whole ship
> will work as some sort of an antenna ... (or not)

Just out of curiosity, ever try and use a cellphone on a metal hulled ship?
Both Mine (CDMA) and others in the group (GSM) would only work on the
outside deck, or in rooms with portholes.
As for the laptop (with built in WiFi), at some of the places we docked,
there were WiFi networks that would show a signal, and be usable on deck,
but not inside.
While I do have a portable AP for use when I travel, fraid I never tried it
in the metal ship.. I have used it on wood and composite hull ships.
Interestingly enuf it does work both inside airplanes and from outside (when
on the ground), but those are usually aluminum and have lots of windows.
If someone wants to send me on a cruise, I'd be happy to try the AP and
report

Yes, just run the antenna cable into the hull somewhere.. maybe stick a 1W
amplifier inbetween the AP and the hull. I'm sure we'll pick the signal up
halfway around the planet...

Hah. This may seem funny, but I think it'll actually work - for one-way
communication. The client adapter will get a signal from the ap, but not be
able to talk back

Just put an AP in every room Or make smart use of sector-antennas and
outdoor masts/ship corners!

"Peter Pan" <
| >
| > Depending on the vessel and what regulations apply that could be a)
| > illegal b) very dangerous.
| >
| > I'd look into Radix (coax that is a cross between a transmission
| > system and an antenna) another alternative would be RF over fiber.
|
| Consider a power line network. A bit slower than Wireless, runs at 14Mb,
but
| cheap, and seems to work very well on multi deck ships With one generator
at
| least). If you do an online search, you get Metasearch results 1 - 10 of
| about 1,630,030 for power line networking

If the vessel is built to ABS standards the power is distributed via armored
cable and employ stuffing tubes for bulk head penetrations. I doubt very
seriously that a useable signal would get very far in the enviorment.