Anyone know if Belkin Pre-n router offers advantage to people with 802.11g connections?

What if I get a new laptop that has a built in 802.11G and then buy
one of these Belkin pre-n routers. Is there any difference to be had?
I would think not since the pre-n would have to fall back to 802.11g
but perhaps there is some gain.
Would like to know.

Thanks, Patty

Per Belkin, there is an advantage in a mixed b and g environment, as
apparently the pre-n does not fall back to lower speeds like the g does in
similar situations. Best to read the Belink Pre-n documents.

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> What if I get a new laptop that has a built in 802.11G and then buy
> one of these Belkin pre-n routers. Is there any difference to be had?
> I would think not since the pre-n would have to fall back to 802.11g
> but perhaps there is some gain.
> Would like to know.
>
> Thanks, Patty


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Thanks. Wish some real users who bought this would chime in.
Thanks
Patty

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> Per Belkin, there is an advantage in a mixed b and g environment, as
> apparently the pre-n does not fall back to lower speeds like the g does in
> similar situations. Best to read the Belink Pre-n documents.
>
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>
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> "Patty Amas" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> > What if I get a new laptop that has a built in 802.11G and then buy
> > one of these Belkin pre-n routers. Is there any difference to be had?
> > I would think not since the pre-n would have to fall back to 802.11g
> > but perhaps there is some gain.
> > Would like to know.
> >
> > Thanks, Patty
>
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Patty Amas Wrote:
> Thanks. Wish some real users who bought this would chime in.
> Thanks
> Patty
>

Patty -

After months of tinkering with DLink super G (DI-624, dwl-g650 an
dwl-g520) with varying degrees of success, I just today bought a Belki
F5d8230-4 along with a notebood and PC version of their pre-N NIC's.

In a word: superb! Range, speed and signal strength all blow away th
best I've ever seen with D-Link's super G. Also - the router tested ou
to be very compatible with my D-Link dwl-g520 and dwl-g650 in "norma
G" mode, with an excellent signal and good bandwidth.

Overall, this appears to be a well thought out and well execute
product, despite being brand new

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Patty -

Just realized that I didn't address your question directly. I probabl
should have tested actual throughput with the DLink router talking t
the DLink pc card vs. the Belkin pre-n router talking to the DLink p
card - but I didn't.

A couple of issues involved here:

If you're actually getting better-than-G throughput due to
proprietary mechanism such as Atheros "super g" or Broadco
"afterburner", then it's quite possible that throughput between a ne
Belkin pre-n router and your legacy "g" card will be slower than it wa
with the proprietary technology.

If, however, you're using "standard G", at 54 mbps signaling rate, the
I believe you'll actually see better results with the new Belkin route
than you would with your old standard G router talking to your legacy
card -- although I can't swear to it. It would have been interesting t
try that out.

When I first installed the Belkin pre-N router, I left my old D-Lin
"super g" cards in my wireless pc's. Everything connected up ver
quickly, and it felt - subjectively - that the connection wa
significantly quicker than it had been with the DLink di-624 running a
a claimed 108 mbps signalling rate. But it was when I installed th
Belkin "pre-N" card in the pc that I saw the really dramati
improvement in speed that's promised by the Airgo mimo "pre-N
technology in the Belkin router.

I know this probably won't talk to the 802.11n standard that will b
finalized in the next 18 to 24 months. But as far as I'm concerned, a
the minimum, it's a souped-up proprietary "super G", no different i
the compatibility issue than Broadcom's afterburner or Atheros super g
None of the proprietary speed-boosting G technologies will "talk" t
the eventual "n" standard at anything other than standard "g" rates
Belkin's version is somewhat pricier than the others -- but it's muc
faster and has better range -- and the difference in performance i
worth the difference in price for me, and the compatibility issues ar
NO different than you'd see with ANY proprietary enhanced "g
technology.

Last note - more directly in answer to your question about improvemen
with legacy network adapters:

The Belkin wireless connection to my old Dlink dwl-g520 wireless car
proved to be more stable than the Dlink di-624 connection to the sam
card

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Glad to hear that you have good result from your pre-N wireless
router. May I ask you one question:

- Have you ever tried the reset button at the bottom of the router?

- Do you need to use a pin or a paper clip to press down the reset
bottom?

- Was this easy for you to press down the reset button with a paper
clip?

- What did the router respond when you hit the reset button? Did the
LCD start blinking?

I am having trouble with my Belkin pre-N wireless router. For some
reason, using a paper clip to press down the reset button doesn't seem
to do anything. Therefore, I want to see if mine is a lemon or
something. Unfortunately, the tech support didn't know much about how
the reset button works because the router is too new and they don't
have a picture on it on files. I am still waiting for a replacement
unit from Belkin. While I am waiting for the replacement, I would like
to learn how to reset button works and what I should expect when I
press down the reset button.

Thanks in advance for any info.

Jay Chan

Jay -

I haven't tried the reset button yet, but I'm guessing that this is
pretty basic microswitch. I looked at the hole on the bottom labeled
"reset". In my experience, sometimes if you use something as thin as
paperclip, it might actually slip alongside the microswitch when yo
insert it in the hole, instead of depressing it.

If you have an oversized paperclip (about twice the size of a norma
one), or a thin nail or brad, that might work better. Be sure to inser
it *straight* into the hole so it can't slip to the side of th
recessed button.

Also - from what I read in the Belkin documentation, pressing th
switch momentarily will do a simple reset - probably the same effect a
if you simply selected Reboot in the web-based configuration utility
If you want to reset to factory settings, you're supposed to depres
the switch for at least 10 seconds before releasing it

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> ... In my experience, sometimes if you use something as thin as a
> paperclip, it might actually slip alongside the microswitch when you
> insert it in the hole, instead of depressing it.
>
> If you have an oversized paperclip (about twice the size of a normal
> one), or a thin nail or brad, that might work better. Be sure to insert
> it *straight* into the hole so it can't slip to the side of the
> recessed button.

Thanks for the suggestion.

I am almost ready to return it today. The Belkin tech support losed
the record of the conversation; therefore, they don't know that they
are supposed to send me a replacement unit.

I will try your tip to reset the router one more time with a brad nail
when I get back home. If this still doesn't work, I will have to
return it tomorrow.

Jay Chan

> If you have an oversized paperclip (about twice the size of a normal
> one), or a thin nail or brad, that might work better. Be sure to insert
> it *straight* into the hole so it can't slip to the side of the
> recessed button.

No luck. Last evening I used a finish-nail to press down the reset
button, and I surely felt the button toggling down. But the router
still didn't work (the installation program no longer recognize the
router).

I will return the router today before the refund period expires.

Thanks for the suggestion anyway.

Jay Chan

Jay Chan Wrote:
> > No luck. Last evening I used a finish-nail to press down the reset
> button, and I surely felt the button toggling down. But the router
> still didn't work (the installation program no longer recognize the
> router).
>
> Jay Chan

Sorry to hear that it didn't work. I know that having a positive
experience with SOHO WiFi equipment is largely a matter of luck. So far
(only 3 days), my Belkin pre-n equipment has been working perfectly.
Got my fingers crossed, hoping that it will prove to be more stable in
the long run than my DLink setup was.

Good luck Jay.


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