another ADSL question - connection speeds

i know theres 512, 1mb and 2mb connections around, but what determines the
speed? is it kit/adsl tariff, or is it ISP tariff.

ie - i get btbroadband 500 plug & go, can i then use a 1mb tariff supplied
by xxxx ISP?

--
tim

if i wanted to hear from an asshole, i`d fart!

Yeah sure, nobody bothers to check and they leave the system open to trust.

Everyone just upgrades them selves to 2Mbit of course

Its determined at the DSLAM end, by some means or other - probably hard
wired or switch activated afaik


On 14/7/03 5:21 pm, in article beula3$9tv$(E-Mail Removed), "Tim
Draper" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> i know theres 512, 1mb and 2mb connections around, but what determines the
> speed? is it kit/adsl tariff, or is it ISP tariff.
>
> ie - i get btbroadband 500 plug & go, can i then use a 1mb tariff supplied
> by xxxx ISP?
>
> --
> tim
>
> if i wanted to hear from an asshole, i`d fart!
>
>

AOn Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:38:25 +0100, Graham in Melton
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Yeah sure, nobody bothers to check and they leave the system open to trust.
>
>Everyone just upgrades them selves to 2Mbit of course
>
>Its determined at the DSLAM end, by some means or other - probably hard
>wired or switch activated afaik
>
>
>On 14/7/03 5:21 pm, in article beula3$9tv$(E-Mail Removed), "Tim
>Draper" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> i know theres 512, 1mb and 2mb connections around, but what determines the
>> speed? is it kit/adsl tariff, or is it ISP tariff.
>>
>> ie - i get btbroadband 500 plug & go, can i then use a 1mb tariff supplied
>> by xxxx ISP?
>>
>> --
>> tim
>>
>> if i wanted to hear from an asshole, i`d fart!
>>
>>
Better just farting than posting comments that are guaranteed to
generate sarcastic replies. I assume your original post was in the
"humorous" vein


Jasper

no actually......

i ask this cuz with ISDN (that i have now) i have a choice between 64k and
128k, which is determined by what number i dial to my ISP. obviously
incuring a higher charge.

i wondered if ADSL worked in a similar fashion, but it depended on what ISP
number/tariff you were on.


--
tim

if i wanted to hear from an asshole, i`d fart!
"Jasper" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> AOn Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:38:25 +0100, Graham in Melton
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >Yeah sure, nobody bothers to check and they leave the system open to
trust.
> >
> >Everyone just upgrades them selves to 2Mbit of course
> >
> >Its determined at the DSLAM end, by some means or other - probably hard
> >wired or switch activated afaik
> >
> >
> >On 14/7/03 5:21 pm, in article beula3$9tv$(E-Mail Removed), "Tim
> >Draper" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >
> >> i know theres 512, 1mb and 2mb connections around, but what determines
the
> >> speed? is it kit/adsl tariff, or is it ISP tariff.
> >>
> >> ie - i get btbroadband 500 plug & go, can i then use a 1mb tariff
supplied
> >> by xxxx ISP?
> >>
> >> --
> >> tim
> >>
> >> if i wanted to hear from an asshole, i`d fart!
> >>
> >>
> Better just farting than posting comments that are guaranteed to
> generate sarcastic replies. I assume your original post was in the
> "humorous" vein
>
>
> Jasper
>
>

Tim Draper wrote:
> no actually......
>
> i ask this cuz with ISDN (that i have now) i have a choice between 64k and
> 128k, which is determined by what number i dial to my ISP. obviously
> incuring a higher charge.
>
> i wondered if ADSL worked in a similar fashion, but it depended on what ISP
> number/tariff you were on.
>
>
> --
> tim
>
> if i wanted to hear from an asshole, i`d fart!
> "Jasper" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>>AOn Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:38:25 +0100, Graham in Melton
>><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yeah sure, nobody bothers to check and they leave the system open to
>
> trust.
>
>>>Everyone just upgrades them selves to 2Mbit of course
>>>
>>>Its determined at the DSLAM end, by some means or other - probably hard
>>>wired or switch activated afaik
>>>
>>>
>>>On 14/7/03 5:21 pm, in article beula3$9tv$(E-Mail Removed), "Tim
>>>Draper" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>i know theres 512, 1mb and 2mb connections around, but what determines
>
> the
>
>>>>speed? is it kit/adsl tariff, or is it ISP tariff.
>>>>
>>>>ie - i get btbroadband 500 plug & go, can i then use a 1mb tariff
>
> supplied
>
>>>>by xxxx ISP?
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>tim
>>>>
>>>>if i wanted to hear from an asshole, i`d fart!
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>Better just farting than posting comments that are guaranteed to
>>generate sarcastic replies. I assume your original post was in the
>>"humorous" vein
>>
>>
>>Jasper
>>
>>
>
>
>

you dont dial its hard-wired. the dial-up paradigm is used for
authentication only.

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:21:23 UTC, "Tim Draper"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> ie - i get btbroadband 500 plug & go, can i then use a 1mb tariff supplied
> by xxxx ISP?

(a) it wouldn't work and (b) you'd be paying twice. Just go straight to
xxxx ISP and leave BT Broadband out of it.

--
Bob Eager
rde at tavi.co.uk
PC Server 325*4; PS/2s 9585, 8595, 9595*2, 8580*3,
P70, PC/AT..

i know that too......but does it have some sort of speed varification? to
determine weather it's 512/1024/2048?

it has to have SOMETHING that determins line speed or else using a peice of
wire, we`d all be downloading like a T3 line.

this is what i`m trying to find out, what determines the line speed; is it
hardware kit, or is it the ISP tariff?

--
tim

if i wanted to hear from an asshole, i`d fart!
"Mark&Lisa" <markandlisa@*undies*postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Tim Draper wrote:
> > no actually......
> >
> > i ask this cuz with ISDN (that i have now) i have a choice between 64k
and
> > 128k, which is determined by what number i dial to my ISP. obviously
> > incuring a higher charge.
> >
> > i wondered if ADSL worked in a similar fashion, but it depended on what
ISP
> > number/tariff you were on.
> >
> >
> > --
> > tim
> >
> > if i wanted to hear from an asshole, i`d fart!
> > "Jasper" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> >>AOn Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:38:25 +0100, Graham in Melton
> >><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Yeah sure, nobody bothers to check and they leave the system open to
> >
> > trust.
> >
> >>>Everyone just upgrades them selves to 2Mbit of course
> >>>
> >>>Its determined at the DSLAM end, by some means or other - probably hard
> >>>wired or switch activated afaik
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On 14/7/03 5:21 pm, in article beula3$9tv$(E-Mail Removed),
"Tim
> >>>Draper" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>i know theres 512, 1mb and 2mb connections around, but what determines
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>>speed? is it kit/adsl tariff, or is it ISP tariff.
> >>>>
> >>>>ie - i get btbroadband 500 plug & go, can i then use a 1mb tariff
> >
> > supplied
> >
> >>>>by xxxx ISP?
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>tim
> >>>>
> >>>>if i wanted to hear from an asshole, i`d fart!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>Better just farting than posting comments that are guaranteed to
> >>generate sarcastic replies. I assume your original post was in the
> >>"humorous" vein
> >>
> >>
> >>Jasper
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> you dont dial its hard-wired. the dial-up paradigm is used for
> authentication only.
>

In an article dated Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:35:33 +0000 (UTC),
Tim Draper made the earth move by saying......

> i know that too......but does it have some sort of speed varification? to
> determine weather it's 512/1024/2048?
>
> it has to have SOMETHING that determins line speed or else using a peice of
> wire, we`d all be downloading like a T3 line.
>
> this is what i`m trying to find out, what determines the line speed; is it
> hardware kit, or is it the ISP tariff?
>
The vast majority of ISPs (all?) use BT's IPstream500 service for
domestic connections (50:1 contention). This is set at 576Kb/s down and
288Kb/s up (Firmware in the DSLAM?).
The business products use IPStreamS which allows up to 2Mb/s (Different
DSLAM to IPStream500, hence the requirement to 'cease & provide) if you
want to change from 50:1 to 20:1).
There is also DataStream which some ISPs are using/planning to use for
consumer 1Mb &2Mb. This requires some extra kit in the exchange I
believe and only becomes cost effective (for the ISP) if 10 or more
people on an exchange get it.


In a nutshell, your speed is decided by which bit of kit you terminate
to at an exchange.

That is my understanding of the situation. I may be wrong and am open to
correction.
--
Mugwump

To reply, replace INVALID with pipex{dot}com

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:35:33 +0000 (UTC), "Tim Draper"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>this is what i`m trying to find out, what determines the line speed; is it
>hardware kit, or is it the ISP tariff?

H Tim,

Just to clear this up, your connection speed is determined by the
equipment your line gets plugged into at the exchange when it is
activated. To change speeds, a BT engineer has to attend the exchange
and move your line to equipment configured for the new speed. They
will then bill your ISP at the wholesale cost for the speed you are
connected to.

Just about all DSL hardware can support at least 8 Mbps, so no changes
are required on the 'end user' side when a speed change is performed.

Regards,

Ian
--
| Ian Wild Unmetered & ADSL solutions
| Customer Support for Home & Business
| PlusNet Technologies Ltd. @ http://www.plus.net
+ ------- My Referrals - It pays to recommend PlusNet -------

thank you mugwump and plusnet support.

maybe i should of explained myself better in the first place, but i finally
get to know what i wanted to know.

--
tim

if i wanted to hear from an asshole, i`d fart!
"PlusNet Support Team" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:35:33 +0000 (UTC), "Tim Draper"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >this is what i`m trying to find out, what determines the line speed; is
it
> >hardware kit, or is it the ISP tariff?
>
> H Tim,
>
> Just to clear this up, your connection speed is determined by the
> equipment your line gets plugged into at the exchange when it is
> activated. To change speeds, a BT engineer has to attend the exchange
> and move your line to equipment configured for the new speed. They
> will then bill your ISP at the wholesale cost for the speed you are
> connected to.
>
> Just about all DSL hardware can support at least 8 Mbps, so no changes
> are required on the 'end user' side when a speed change is performed.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ian
> --
> | Ian Wild Unmetered & ADSL solutions
> | Customer Support for Home & Business
> | PlusNet Technologies Ltd. @ http://www.plus.net
> + ------- My Referrals - It pays to recommend PlusNet -------