AT&T WiFi at McDonalds, etc

just noticed on the AT&T website
that it appears that if you have DSL,
your account settings should work with WiFi
at McDonalds... and some other locations.

http://www.att.com/gen/general?pid=5949

http://attwifi.know-where.com/attwif...design=default

I'm guessing there is a signon webpage,
and you merely supply your ATT/SBC/DSL info & password.

On Oct 31, 6:23 pm, "P.Schuman" <pschuman_NO_SPAM...@interserv.com>
wrote:
> just noticed on the AT&T website
> that it appears that if you have DSL,
> your account settings should work with WiFi
> at McDonalds... and some other locations.

In the past it was a $1.99 per month add-on to your SBC DSL account,
but last month it went for free. If you only have SBC dial-up, it was
$20; but I don't know if that has changed.

P.Schuman <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> just noticed on the AT&T website that it appears that if you have DSL,
> your account settings should work with WiFi at McDonalds... and some
> other locations.

> http://www.att.com/gen/general?pid=5949

The search age offers both "basic" and "premier" locations.

> I'm guessing there is a signon webpage,
> and you merely supply your ATT/SBC/DSL info & password.

There's a very McDonald's-like captive portal screen with an AT&T login
button and a Waypoint login... I forget what else.
The name and password used to authenticate your DSL connection is the same
that you use at McDonald's.

If you forget to launch a new browser, you seem to get an IP address that
is heavily filtered.

My DSL account doesn't seem to match the requirements for free WiFi access,
but it worked, and I didn't do any other signup. The SSID "attwifi" is
available for free. Other partners are only available at additional cost,
with the at&t premier package, I think. Or maybe they are all free now.

I use http://www.jiwire.com/search-hotspot-locations.htm for my searches.

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> The name and password used to authenticate your DSL connection is the same
> that you use at McDonald's.

Great, a whole new way for users to lose the security of their account.
Sniff the wifi traffic and then go hack the users' e-mail, web and other ISP
services. Then start hitting the other stuff because the same
account/password is what they used on a whole bunch of other services.

Gee, thanks but no...

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:23:32 -0400, "Bill Kearney"
<wkearney-99@hot-mail-com> wrote in
<(E-Mail Removed)> :

>> The name and password used to authenticate your DSL connection is the same
>> that you use at McDonald's.
>
>Great, a whole new way for users to lose the security of their account.
>Sniff the wifi traffic and then go hack the users' e-mail, web and other ISP
>services. Then start hitting the other stuff because the same
>account/password is what they used on a whole bunch of other services.
>
>Gee, thanks but no...

Why not use VPN? There are a number of good commercial services, in
addition to free (ad supported) Hotspot Shield.

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"Bill Kearney" <wkearney-99@hot-mail-com> hath wroth:

>> The name and password used to authenticate your DSL connection is the same
>> that you use at McDonald's.
>
>Great, a whole new way for users to lose the security of their account.
>Sniff the wifi traffic and then go hack the users' e-mail, web and other ISP
>services. Then start hitting the other stuff because the same
>account/password is what they used on a whole bunch of other services.

The login screens are SSL encrypted, so the logins are not going to be
sniffed. However, the traffic is not encrypted, so a VPN is
recommended.
<http://www.mcdonalds.com/wireless/find_hotspot/unitedstates/faq/technology.html>

>Gee, thanks but no...

What I find amusing (or disgusting) is that any wireless provider that
has a functional authentication server, such as AT&T obviously does,
can also provide RADIUS based authentication, which the typical
wireless client has no problem using. The client and access point can
then be issues a unique one time WPA-RADIUS encryption key, and all
the traffic is encrypted.


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(E-Mail Removed) hath wroth:

>I use http://www.jiwire.com/search-hotspot-locations.htm for my searches.

For just the McDonald's locations with wireless, see:
<http://www.mcdonalds.com/usa/rest_locator.html>

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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:27:29 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote in <(E-Mail Removed)>:

>What I find amusing (or disgusting) is that any wireless provider that
>has a functional authentication server, such as AT&T obviously does,
>can also provide RADIUS based authentication, which the typical
>wireless client has no problem using. The client and access point can
>then be issues a unique one time WPA-RADIUS encryption key, and all
>the traffic is encrypted.

I suspect the issue is support -- it's bad enough when users can connect
automatically, and it's a nightmare to support the handing out and use
of one-time keys.

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John Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:

>On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:27:29 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)>
>wrote in <(E-Mail Removed)>:
>
>>What I find amusing (or disgusting) is that any wireless provider that
>>has a functional authentication server, such as AT&T obviously does,
>>can also provide RADIUS based authentication, which the typical
>>wireless client has no problem using. The client and access point can
>>then be issues a unique one time WPA-RADIUS encryption key, and all
>>the traffic is encrypted.
>
>I suspect the issue is support -- it's bad enough when users can connect
>automatically, and it's a nightmare to support the handing out and use
>of one-time keys.

That's not exactly the way it would (should?) work. The RADIUS server
delivers the encryption key to both the access point and the client. I
have WPA-RADIUS working at several installations without any
modifications to the client computer. In all cases, the user is
issued a login and password, which are also entered in the RADIUS
server. Administering this is a PITA for a small coffee shop, but
AT&T already does everything that's necessary for their DSL customers,
so there's no added effort involved. The only changes are to convince
AT&T and Wayport to consolidate their authentication methods and to
enable WPA-RADIUS in their wireless access points. That can't be done
at this time because of bureaucracy and more important, because the
access point will not handle multiple encryption modes (WPA-RADIUS and
unencrypted). Two access points would solve that problem, but that's
a major expense that's probably not justified.

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Jeff Liebermann <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> (E-Mail Removed) hath wroth:

> >I use http://www.jiwire.com/search-hotspot-locations.htm for my searches.

> For just the McDonald's locations with wireless, see:
> <http://www.mcdonalds.com/usa/rest_locator.html>

Why would you want to overlook the others?

As I was sitting in the McDonald's parking lot, I found several WAPs, some
with names that might indicate they were quite a ways away, maybe 1/4 mile
or more. McDonald's, Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, and a couple of
"locked" with familiar business names that I didn't think were even in the
immediate vicinity.

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