Advice Please Re- Extension Sockets

Hi Everyone,

This is a cross post because I wasn't sure which one to put it in and some
people may not use all the NewsGroups that I have posted it to, so beg your
forgiveness.

The main BT socket is in the bedroom and from this I have daisy chained all
the rest of the sockets in the house using the faceplate connection on the
front of the BT socket.

From some of the sockets I have filters plugged in for the phones, 4 in
total. I also have a filter plugged in for the PC to use the Broadband.

I noticed that the connection speed was getting slower and slower so I used
the Voyager 105 modem given to me by my ISP in order to findout the exact
speed. It was 320 kbps.

I disconnected all the phones in the house, tried the speed again and it was
the same. Plugged modem into main socket and speed increased to something
like 580 kbps. I thern took faceplate off and plugged modem directly into
socket, now 1.8Mbps. I plugged extensions into filter and all phones work ok
without individual filters.

Now my question is this. Do I have a fault on my original installation of
the sockets in the house, or, should I have just used 1 filter in the main
box as I have at present ?

Your comments are most welcome.
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"the_constructor" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hi Everyone,
>
> This is a cross post because I wasn't sure which one to put it in and some
> people may not use all the NewsGroups that I have posted it to, so beg
> your forgiveness.
>
> The main BT socket is in the bedroom and from this I have daisy chained
> all the rest of the sockets in the house using the faceplate connection on
> the front of the BT socket.
>
> From some of the sockets I have filters plugged in for the phones, 4 in
> total. I also have a filter plugged in for the PC to use the Broadband.
>
> I noticed that the connection speed was getting slower and slower so I
> used the Voyager 105 modem given to me by my ISP in order to findout the
> exact speed. It was 320 kbps.
>
> I disconnected all the phones in the house, tried the speed again and it
> was the same. Plugged modem into main socket and speed increased to
> something like 580 kbps. I thern took faceplate off and plugged modem
> directly into socket, now 1.8Mbps. I plugged extensions into filter and
> all phones work ok without individual filters.
>
> Now my question is this. Do I have a fault on my original installation of
> the sockets in the house, or, should I have just used 1 filter in the main
> box as I have at present ?
>
> Your comments are most welcome.
> --
> the_constructor
>
> Don't tip it, recycle it. Join your local group.
>
> http://freecycle.org/display.php?reg...ited%20Kingdom
>

Are all the extension sockets correctly wired with twisted pair telephone
cable? I've seen slow speeds caused by extensions wired with alarm cable.
Some people may suggest that you disconnect the ring wire - although I have
not found that a problem.

Peter

"the_constructor" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> This is a cross post because I wasn't sure which one to put it in and some
> people may not use all the NewsGroups that I have posted it to, so beg
> your forgiveness.
>
> The main BT socket is in the bedroom and from this I have daisy chained
> all the rest of the sockets in the house using the faceplate connection on
> the front of the BT socket.
>
> From some of the sockets I have filters plugged in for the phones, 4 in
> total. I also have a filter plugged in for the PC to use the Broadband.
>
> I noticed that the connection speed was getting slower and slower so I
> used the Voyager 105 modem given to me by my ISP in order to findout the
> exact speed. It was 320 kbps.
>
> I disconnected all the phones in the house, tried the speed again and it
> was the same. Plugged modem into main socket and speed increased to
> something like 580 kbps. I thern took faceplate off and plugged modem
> directly into socket, now 1.8Mbps. I plugged extensions into filter and
> all phones work ok without individual filters.
>
> Now my question is this. Do I have a fault on my original installation of
> the sockets in the house, or, should I have just used 1 filter in the main
> box as I have at present ?
>
> Your comments are most welcome.

It is possible that you havea fault on the extension sockets installed
throughout the house. It may simply be that these sockets have been wired
without the benefit of the correct twisted pair cable. It is also possible
that the "ring" wire is connected, but its partner in the twisted pair is
not, thereby unbalancing the pair and introducing noise.

What you should do is formalise the test arrangement by installing a
faceplate filter. An example is the "NTE5 compatible ADSL filtered
faceplate" see: http://www.solwise.co.uk/adsl_splitters.htm
All the extension cables should then be wired to the filtered output of the
faceplate.

If it isn't possible to install your router or modem adjacent to the
filtered faceplate in the bedroom, then use Cat5 cable to run the unfiltered
signal to a RJ45 socket at a more convenient location.

--
Graham J

On 06/11/2007 11:05 the_constructor wrote:

> The main BT socket is in the bedroom and from this I have daisy chained all
> the rest of the sockets in the house using the faceplate connection on the
> front of the BT socket.
>
> From some of the sockets I have filters plugged in for the phones, 4 in
> total. I also have a filter plugged in for the PC to use the Broadband.

If you go to http://www.clarity.it/telecoms/adsl_bits.htm and buy the
'Genuine BT Master NTE5 Linebox ADSL Adaptor' (don't forget to get some
screws) you can plug it into your main BT socket, connect your
extensions to the appropriate socket on the front, your broadband cable
to the other and then throw all your other filters away.

No connection other than that of a (very) satisfied customer. They're a
good company to deal with and they have a sense of humour.

--
F

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On 6 Nov, 11:45, F <n...@spinningweb.notnet> wrote:

> If you go tohttp://www.clarity.it/telecoms/adsl_bits.htmand buy the
> 'Genuine BT Master NTE5 Linebox ADSL Adaptor' (don't forget to get some
> screws) you can plug it into your main BT socket, connect your
> extensions to the appropriate socket on the front, your broadband cable
> to the other and then throw all your other filters away.
>
> No connection other than that of a (very) satisfied customer. They're a
> good company to deal with and they have a sense of humour.

Thanks, good site.

Is it me, or are they going a teensy bit over the top about the dire
and dreadful consequences of tampering with the BT-side of the wiring?

F wrote:
> If you go to http://www.clarity.it/telecoms/adsl_bits.htm and buy the
> 'Genuine BT Master NTE5 Linebox ADSL Adaptor' (don't forget to get some
> screws) you can plug it into your main BT socket, connect your
> extensions to the appropriate socket on the front, your broadband cable
> to the other and then throw all your other filters away.
>

I think the OP has come to the same arrangement. As far as I can see,
the NTE5 ADSL linebox just looks neater ;-)

--
Adrian C

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
the_constructor <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> This is a cross post because I wasn't sure which one to put it in and
> some people may not use all the NewsGroups that I have posted it to, so
> beg your forgiveness.

> The main BT socket is in the bedroom and from this I have daisy chained
> all the rest of the sockets in the house using the faceplate connection
> on the front of the BT socket.

> From some of the sockets I have filters plugged in for the phones, 4 in
> total. I also have a filter plugged in for the PC to use the Broadband.

> I noticed that the connection speed was getting slower and slower so I
> used the Voyager 105 modem given to me by my ISP in order to findout
> the exact speed. It was 320 kbps.

> I disconnected all the phones in the house, tried the speed again and it
> was the same. Plugged modem into main socket and speed increased to
> something like 580 kbps. I thern took faceplate off and plugged modem
> directly into socket, now 1.8Mbps. I plugged extensions into filter and
> all phones work ok without individual filters.

> Now my question is this. Do I have a fault on my original installation
> of the sockets in the house, or, should I have just used 1 filter in
> the main box as I have at present ?

> Your comments are most welcome.

BT when running cables along the street etc take care to avoid sources of
interference like mains wiring. So it seems strange that miles of cable to
the exchange can have less effect than a few yards in the home - but it
can be. The best way is to install a single filtered unit where the line
comes into the house, and site a router there. Then either use CAT5
cabling to your computer(s) or a wireless link.

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Dave Plowman (E-Mail Removed) London SW
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"Adrian C" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>F wrote:
>> If you go to http://www.clarity.it/telecoms/adsl_bits.htm and buy the
>> 'Genuine BT Master NTE5 Linebox ADSL Adaptor' (don't forget to get some
>> screws) you can plug it into your main BT socket, connect your extensions
>> to the appropriate socket on the front, your broadband cable to the other
>> and then throw all your other filters away.
>>
>
> I think the OP has come to the same arrangement. As far as I can see, the
> NTE5 ADSL linebox just looks neater ;-)
>
> --
> Adrian C

You're correct in your assumption Adrian. I removed the faceplate, plugged
in the filter then plugged the extensions and modem into the filter.
It may look a little more ugly than the NTE5 ADSL Linebox, but it certainly
is cheaper. It'll do for the time being. The bedroom where main BT socket is
located is my Office/junk room so ugliness isn't any problem.
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"Peter Andrews" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "the_constructor" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> This is a cross post because I wasn't sure which one to put it in and
>> some people may not use all the NewsGroups that I have posted it to, so
>> beg your forgiveness.
>>
>> The main BT socket is in the bedroom and from this I have daisy chained
>> all the rest of the sockets in the house using the faceplate connection
>> on the front of the BT socket.
>>
>> From some of the sockets I have filters plugged in for the phones, 4 in
>> total. I also have a filter plugged in for the PC to use the Broadband.
>>
>> I noticed that the connection speed was getting slower and slower so I
>> used the Voyager 105 modem given to me by my ISP in order to findout the
>> exact speed. It was 320 kbps.
>>
>> I disconnected all the phones in the house, tried the speed again and it
>> was the same. Plugged modem into main socket and speed increased to
>> something like 580 kbps. I thern took faceplate off and plugged modem
>> directly into socket, now 1.8Mbps. I plugged extensions into filter and
>> all phones work ok without individual filters.
>>
>> Now my question is this. Do I have a fault on my original installation of
>> the sockets in the house, or, should I have just used 1 filter in the
>> main box as I have at present ?
>>
>> Your comments are most welcome.
>> --
>> the_constructor
>>
>> Don't tip it, recycle it. Join your local group.
>>
>> http://freecycle.org/display.php?reg...ited%20Kingdom
>>
>
> Are all the extension sockets correctly wired with twisted pair telephone
> cable? I've seen slow speeds caused by extensions wired with alarm cable.
> Some people may suggest that you disconnect the ring wire - although I
> have not found that a problem.
>
> Peter
>


I forgot to mention that all the extension sockets are wired with the
propper cable, though I suspect a couple of the sockets may be faulty as
they are not the same as the rest.
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On 06/11/2007 12:03 Martin Pentreath wrote:

> Is it me, or are they going a teensy bit over the top about the dire
> and dreadful consequences of tampering with the BT-side of the wiring?

At £150(?) a go if they have to come out to fix a fault that's down to
you, no.

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F

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