Advice appreciated to go wireless

Daughter has just split from boyfriend and moved back in with her PC.
I want to enable her PC to use our Freeserve/BT line broadband.
Wireless seems easiest.
Currently connected through Speedtouch ADSL modem.
Any advice please on cheapest easiest way to get her PC online from other
side of house.
What kit do I need?
Package deal anywhere?
Thanks.
Jerry

On Mar 14, 2:23 pm, "Jerry and Ce" <j...@alfa164.freeserve.co.uk>
wrote:
> Daughter has just split from boyfriend and moved back in with her PC.
> I want to enable her PC to use our Freeserve/BT line broadband.
> Wireless seems easiest.
> Currently connected through Speedtouch ADSL modem.
> Any advice please on cheapest easiest way to get her PC online from other
> side of house.
> What kit do I need?
> Package deal anywhere?
> Thanks.
> Jerry

Tell the fornicator to go buy a 802.11G router/switch and 80.211G USB
client card.

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:23:43 -0000, "Jerry and Ce"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in <et9eji$ct5$(E-Mail Removed)>:

>Daughter has just split from boyfriend and moved back in with her PC.
>I want to enable her PC to use our Freeserve/BT line broadband.
>Wireless seems easiest.
>Currently connected through Speedtouch ADSL modem.
>Any advice please on cheapest easiest way to get her PC online from other
>side of house.
>What kit do I need?
>Package deal anywhere?

If there are multiple wills involved, consider powerline (mains)
networking of a wired router instead, which does a better job of going
through multiple walls; e.g., NETGEAR XE102G (kit of two adapters).

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John Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:

>On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:23:43 -0000, "Jerry and Ce"
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in <et9eji$ct5$(E-Mail Removed)>:
>
>>Daughter has just split from boyfriend and moved back in with her PC.
>>I want to enable her PC to use our Freeserve/BT line broadband.
>>Wireless seems easiest.
>>Currently connected through Speedtouch ADSL modem.
>>Any advice please on cheapest easiest way to get her PC online from other
>>side of house.
>>What kit do I need?
>>Package deal anywhere?

>If there are multiple wills involved, consider powerline (mains)
>networking of a wired router instead, which does a better job of going
>through multiple walls; e.g., NETGEAR XE102G (kit of two adapters).

Agreed. Going through more than 1 wall can be a problem, especially
if there is aluminium foil backed insulation inside the walls. That's
what got me today, when I installed a new 2-wire modem/router/wireless
box. The house was divided roughly into thirds, each seperated by a
wall full of aluminium foil. With the wireless access point at one
end of the house, I would get 54Mbits/sec in the same room,
11Mbits/sec in the adjacent rooms, and 1 or 2 Mbits/sec or nothing at
the other end of the house. I'll be back tomorrow to install power
line networking as this wireless installation isn't going to work.

Power Line networking:
<http://www.homeplug.com>

Also, phone line networking:
<http://www.homepna.com>

Also, CATV coax sharing:
<http://www.coaxsys.com>
<http://www.multilet.com>
<http://www.mocalliance.org> (sorta, maybe)

Incidentally, Netgear has some products newer than the XE102G. See:
<http://www.netgear.com/Products/PowerlineNetworking/PowerlineEthernetAdapters.aspx>
I might try them to see how they work.

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On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:29:28 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
<(E-Mail Removed)>:

>John Navas <(E-Mail Removed)> hath wroth:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:23:43 -0000, "Jerry and Ce"
>><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in <et9eji$ct5$(E-Mail Removed)>:
>>
>>>Daughter has just split from boyfriend and moved back in with her PC.
>>>I want to enable her PC to use our Freeserve/BT line broadband.
>>>Wireless seems easiest.
>>>Currently connected through Speedtouch ADSL modem.
>>>Any advice please on cheapest easiest way to get her PC online from other
>>>side of house.
>>>What kit do I need?
>>>Package deal anywhere?
>
>>If there are multiple wills involved, consider powerline (mains)
>>networking of a wired router instead, which does a better job of going
>>through multiple walls; e.g., NETGEAR XE102G (kit of two adapters).

>Incidentally, Netgear has some products newer than the XE102G. See:
><http://www.netgear.com/Products/PowerlineNetworking/PowerlineEthernetAdapters.aspx>
>I might try them to see how they work.

I've found them to work well, but they are considerably more expensive
than the older XE102G, and overkill for typical home users.

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Thanks for your help so far.
Walls are plasterboard with no foil, so would this
http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?...99397&doy=15m3
do the job?
Do I need anything else with it?
Is it 'plug and play' because I'm really not a PC expert.
Jerry

Jeff Liebermann says...

> Agreed. Going through more than 1 wall can be a
> problem, especially if there is aluminium foil backed
> insulation inside the walls. That's what got me today,
> when I installed a new 2-wire modem/router/wireless box.
> The house was divided roughly into thirds, each
> seperated by a wall full of aluminium foil. With the
> wireless access point at one end of the house, I would
> get 54Mbits/sec in the same room, 11Mbits/sec in the
> adjacent rooms, and 1 or 2 Mbits/sec or nothing at the
> other end of the house. I'll be back tomorrow to
> install power line networking as this wireless
> installation isn't going to work.

Is there any reason to believe that the slightly-pre-N
wireless stuff would overcome the wall problem?

Also, for what it's worth, my Buffalo HP G router does
regular stud/wallboard walls (no foil) pretty well. The
laptop just has a regular G card. I suppose it would do
even better with an HP card.

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:57:45 -0500, Peabody
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in <epbKh.13$(E-Mail Removed)>:

>Jeff Liebermann says...
>
> > Agreed. Going through more than 1 wall can be a
> > problem, especially if there is aluminium foil backed
> > insulation inside the walls. That's what got me today,
> > when I installed a new 2-wire modem/router/wireless box.
> > The house was divided roughly into thirds, each
> > seperated by a wall full of aluminium foil. With the
> > wireless access point at one end of the house, I would
> > get 54Mbits/sec in the same room, 11Mbits/sec in the
> > adjacent rooms, and 1 or 2 Mbits/sec or nothing at the
> > other end of the house. I'll be back tomorrow to
> > install power line networking as this wireless
> > installation isn't going to work.
>
>Is there any reason to believe that the slightly-pre-N
>wireless stuff would overcome the wall problem?

Possibly. Likewise high-gain antenna(s). But the only real way to tell
is to actually try it.

>Also, for what it's worth, my Buffalo HP G router does
>regular stud/wallboard walls (no foil) pretty well.

One, sure, but this thread is "other side of the house", which I take to
be multiple walls.

>The
>laptop just has a regular G card. I suppose it would do
>even better with an HP card.

Probably, because you have a HP router.

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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:31:26 -0000, "Jerry and Ce"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in <etb3pl$sk0$(E-Mail Removed)>:

>Thanks for your help so far.
>Walls are plasterboard with no foil, so would this
>http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?...99397&doy=15m3
>do the job?
>Do I need anything else with it?
>Is it 'plug and play' because I'm really not a PC expert.

That (piss poor) web page doesn't provide much information,
but it looks to be the Buffalo WBMR-KG54
<http://www.buffalo-technology.com/products/product-detail.php?productid=174&categoryid=7>

Buffalo is good gear, about as easy as it gets, but USB dongles have
crappy antennas, and you may need a better antenna given distance and
walls. Higher power at _both_ ends might help.

Also, I generally recommend against combo products (ADSL modem +
wireless router) because of inflexibility -- better to use a regular
wireless router with your existing ADSL modem.

So instead I'd recommend:
* WHR-HP-G54 high-power wireless router
<http://www.buffalo-technology.com/products/product-detail.php?productid=124&categoryid=28>
* WLI-TX4-G54HP high-power wireless Ethernet converter [client bridge]
<http://www.buffalo-technology.com/products/product-detail.php?productid=127&categoryid=28>
(connects to remote PC by means of Ethernet network port)

Only go with the kit you found if it's readily returnable.

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John Navas says...

>> Also, for what it's worth, my Buffalo HP G router does
>> regular stud/wallboard walls (no foil) pretty well.

> One, sure, but this thread is "other side of the house",
> which I take to be multiple walls.

Well, in fact, to get to my back porch, I go through five
walls, one of which is mostly windows. But it's only about
60 feet LOS, which may help. I haven't used it much there
during cold weather, but haven't noticed any slowdown. I
get three bars there, out of five, whatever that may mean.

All I'm saying is that the Buffalo HP stuff, with that bit
of extra power, might be good enough to work in a marginal
situation where standard-power gear would not. And it's
about the same price. I've been happy with my router, still
using the stock firmware. My only complaint is that it
doesn't always handle WAN lease renewal well.