adsl wiring confusion

After the telephone wire comes into my house it reaches a small
connection box in the front corridor after a metre or two. This simply
connects the incoming wire to another one that then leads into one of
the downstairs rooms where there is a BT socket. If I want to have
another socket upstairs from which to have the ADSL connection can I
just connect an extension cable into the connection box in the front
corridor? In other words, simply push the wires from the extension
cable on top of the outgoing wires in the box that are already there?

I ask as everything I read seems to imply that there is a "master"
socket and then there are "slave" sockets. For example, when I look to
see what adsl faceplate I can buy it says whether it is for a master or
slave socket. However, in the system I describe neither socket seems to
be master or slave. I am very confused.

Any help is very much appreciated.

Raphael

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:31:48 +0100, lesshaste
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>This simply
>connects the incoming wire to another one that then leads into one of
>the downstairs rooms where there is a BT socket.

if that's the only one it'll be a master. Yes you can plug an
extension into there for ADSL - a master socket just generates the 3rd
wire ring signal from the two wire line entering the house. You only
need one master.

If the socket is an NTE5 linebox (see
http://www.wppltd.demon.co.uk/WPP/Wi...telephone.html
) then you wire from that and the connections are on "your" side of
the system, the cable from the connection box to the linebox being
BT's property.

If the socket isn't a linebox and you want to wire from the hall you
could ask BT to install a Linebox to "regularise" your system, then
wire from that.

Phil
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> After the telephone wire comes into my house it reaches a small
> connection box in the front corridor after a metre or two. This simply
> connects the incoming wire to another one that then leads into one of
> the downstairs rooms where there is a BT socket. If I want to have
> another socket upstairs from which to have the ADSL connection can I
> just connect an extension cable into the connection box in the front
> corridor? In other words, simply push the wires from the extension
> cable on top of the outgoing wires in the box that are already there?
>
> I ask as everything I read seems to imply that there is a "master"
> socket and then there are "slave" sockets. For example, when I look to
> see what adsl faceplate I can buy it says whether it is for a master or
> slave socket. However, in the system I describe neither socket seems to
> be master or slave. I am very confused.
>
> Any help is very much appreciated.
>
> Raphael


If you are simply asking 'would this work' then the answer is yes, as long
as you filter the existing phone.

The problem is that BT will consider the NTE5 Linebox to be the Network
Termination point; and the junction box in the hall to be on their side of
the demarcation point.

Should you have to call BT out, you might be charged for putting your
'illegal' wiring in order.


Graham.


%Profound_observation%

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:31:48 +0100, lesshaste
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>After the telephone wire comes into my house it reaches a small
>connection box in the front corridor after a metre or two. This simply
>connects the incoming wire to another one that then leads into one of
>the downstairs rooms where there is a BT socket. If I want to have
>another socket upstairs from which to have the ADSL connection can I
>just connect an extension cable into the connection box in the front
>corridor? In other words, simply push the wires from the extension
>cable on top of the outgoing wires in the box that are already there?
>
>I ask as everything I read seems to imply that there is a "master"
>socket and then there are "slave" sockets. For example, when I look to
>see what adsl faceplate I can buy it says whether it is for a master or
>slave socket. However, in the system I describe neither socket seems to
>be master or slave. I am very confused.
>

The small connection box in the hall will just be the point at which
they switch over from "external" quality wire to "internal" quality
wire.

You are not legally allowed to do anything to this section.

The "BT Socket" in the downstairs room will almost certainly be the
master socket, and any extensions should be wired from there.
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"Alex Heney" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:31:48 +0100, lesshaste
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >After the telephone wire comes into my house it reaches a small
> >connection box in the front corridor after a metre or two. This simply
> >connects the incoming wire to another one that then leads into one of
> >the downstairs rooms where there is a BT socket. If I want to have
> >another socket upstairs from which to have the ADSL connection can I
> >just connect an extension cable into the connection box in the front
> >corridor? In other words, simply push the wires from the extension
> >cable on top of the outgoing wires in the box that are already there?
> >
> >I ask as everything I read seems to imply that there is a "master"
> >socket and then there are "slave" sockets. For example, when I look to
> >see what adsl faceplate I can buy it says whether it is for a master or
> >slave socket. However, in the system I describe neither socket seems to
> >be master or slave. I am very confused.
> >
>
> The small connection box in the hall will just be the point at which
> they switch over from "external" quality wire to "internal" quality
> wire.
>
> You are not legally allowed to do anything to this section.
>
> The "BT Socket" in the downstairs room will almost certainly be the
> master socket, and any extensions should be wired from there.

If your master (only) socket does not have a detachable front faceplate you
might just be able to get BT to change it for one that does for no fee. If they
agree to this you can then say to the man that comes why dont you put the socket
in the corridor where the existing junction box is. He just might agree to do
this without charging you for moving the socket.

You can then cable from this new socket to upstairs, and the cable to your
existing socket becomes yours and you would have to fit a slave rather than a
master socket (s).

Michael Chare

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:27:00 +0100, "Michael Chare"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>"Alex Heney" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:31:48 +0100, lesshaste
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>> >After the telephone wire comes into my house it reaches a small
>> >connection box in the front corridor after a metre or two. This simply
>> >connects the incoming wire to another one that then leads into one of
>> >the downstairs rooms where there is a BT socket. If I want to have
>> >another socket upstairs from which to have the ADSL connection can I
>> >just connect an extension cable into the connection box in the front
>> >corridor? In other words, simply push the wires from the extension
>> >cable on top of the outgoing wires in the box that are already there?
>> >
>> >I ask as everything I read seems to imply that there is a "master"
>> >socket and then there are "slave" sockets. For example, when I look to
>> >see what adsl faceplate I can buy it says whether it is for a master or
>> >slave socket. However, in the system I describe neither socket seems to
>> >be master or slave. I am very confused.
>> >
>>
>> The small connection box in the hall will just be the point at which
>> they switch over from "external" quality wire to "internal" quality
>> wire.
>>
>> You are not legally allowed to do anything to this section.
>>
>> The "BT Socket" in the downstairs room will almost certainly be the
>> master socket, and any extensions should be wired from there.
>
>If your master (only) socket does not have a detachable front faceplate you
>might just be able to get BT to change it for one that does for no fee.

True, but exceptionally unlikely.

It is at least 20 years since they fitted the old style sockets.
--
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Alex Heney wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:27:00 +0100, "Michael Chare"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>
>>"Alex Heney" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>news:(E-Mail Removed). ..
>>
>>>On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:31:48 +0100, lesshaste
>>><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>After the telephone wire comes into my house it reaches a small
>>>>connection box in the front corridor after a metre or two. This simply
>>>>connects the incoming wire to another one that then leads into one of
>>>>the downstairs rooms where there is a BT socket. If I want to have
>>>>another socket upstairs from which to have the ADSL connection can I
>>>>just connect an extension cable into the connection box in the front
>>>>corridor? In other words, simply push the wires from the extension
>>>>cable on top of the outgoing wires in the box that are already there?
>>>>
>>>>I ask as everything I read seems to imply that there is a "master"
>>>>socket and then there are "slave" sockets. For example, when I look to
>>>>see what adsl faceplate I can buy it says whether it is for a master or
>>>>slave socket. However, in the system I describe neither socket seems to
>>>>be master or slave. I am very confused.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The small connection box in the hall will just be the point at which
>>>they switch over from "external" quality wire to "internal" quality
>>>wire.
>>>
>>>You are not legally allowed to do anything to this section.
>>>
>>>The "BT Socket" in the downstairs room will almost certainly be the
>>>master socket, and any extensions should be wired from there.
>>
>>If your master (only) socket does not have a detachable front faceplate you
>>might just be able to get BT to change it for one that does for no fee.
>
>
> True, but exceptionally unlikely.
>
> It is at least 20 years since they fitted the old style sockets.


Thank you everyone for your replies.

I eventually phoned BT and after a few minutes the guy on the phone came
back and said "We have checked your records and you have an old system
that is hard-wired. You do not have a master socket".

He then said they would send someone round to upgrade me to the 20th
century (well.. you know what I mean). I don't know how old you have to
be to not have a master socket but things are looking promising in any case.

I should have added that the downstairs socket that everyone is guessing
is a master socket was in fact wired by me. It has 3 v-shaped connectors
on each side and I connected exactly two of the wires in total (one at
pin 2 and one at pin 5 IIRC). Strangley my phone/adsl does work
downstairs despite not having the elusive third "ring" wire at all.

Raphael

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 01:00:27 +0100, Alex Heney <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>It is at least 20 years since they fitted the old style sockets.

"Conversion of hard-wired master socket to Linebox and Regularisation
of illicit master socket: " is £30 or free if there's a disabled
resident. If a fault is reported eg ADSL won't sync then it may get
fitted free.

Phil
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"Phil Thompson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 01:00:27 +0100, Alex Heney <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
> >It is at least 20 years since they fitted the old style sockets.
>
> "Conversion of hard-wired master socket to Linebox and Regularisation
> of illicit master socket: " is £30 or free if there's a disabled
> resident. If a fault is reported eg ADSL won't sync then it may get
> fitted free.
>

Some of us have had phones for longer than 20 years! A master socket with
detachable face plate was only recently installed in my house, following a fault
on an extension wire.

The house was 'star wired' i.e. there was junction box for the extension prior
to the master socket, and in the attic.

When the fault was fixed I suggested to the BT man that he put the master socket
in the attic to replace the junction box. He did this and gave be some cable to
replace the faulty extension lead, and replaced the existing master socket with
a slave socket.

There was no charge.

Interestingly he told me that he was under considerable pressure from BT to
persuade customers to let him undertake work which he could charge for.

Michael Chare

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:29:48 +0100, "Michael Chare"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>"Phil Thompson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 01:00:27 +0100, Alex Heney <(E-Mail Removed)>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >It is at least 20 years since they fitted the old style sockets.
>>
>> "Conversion of hard-wired master socket to Linebox and Regularisation
>> of illicit master socket: " is £30 or free if there's a disabled
>> resident. If a fault is reported eg ADSL won't sync then it may get
>> fitted free.
>>
>
>Some of us have had phones for longer than 20 years! A master socket with
>detachable face plate was only recently installed in my house, following a fault
>on an extension wire.

I know that.

But there are not all that many left who have had no work done on them
for that long.

Which is why I said it was unlikely.

Having said which, the OP has now posted that his *is* an old style
hard wired socket :-)

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